New Academic Bias Movie

[RakuraiTenjin]

Powerful.

http://academicbias.com/bw101-mov.html

 

[GhostFox]

I don't know if these Professors realize this, but people are coming out of university as republicans/conservatives at a record rate. Just like the Ultra-conservative movement in universities in the 40's and 50's created the liberal movement of the 60's and 70's, this new wave of extremist liberalism at universities is creating a neo-conservative movement.

 

[gcomeau]

Brainwashing 101. What an.... ironically appropriate title for that little peice of work which starts off by mentioning certain universities taking steps to stop people from draping the flag over everything in sight while showing images of the 9/11 aftermath and tying the policies to the victims while playing ominous music in the background to create the association that the former was some kind of sinister assault on the latter.

Then, in order to establish his claim that, and I quote "students at Bucknell feel they're being indoctrinated" he interviews an amazing cross-section of... 3 students.

Then he moves on to show how biased the rest of America's University system is... by highlighting TWO freaking incidents at other universities.

That's the whole movie.

Therefore, America's Universities are centers of brainwashing! Oh, woe is the state of education in the U.S. when an independent filmmaker scouring the country is able to dig up TWO examples to spend an hour arm waving about.

I especially like where he tries to imply that the evil leftist Poly Cal university is trying to oppress his right leaning opinions because they had him ejected by campus security after he tried to barge in on the University President with a camera man.

Note that before the guy ever tells them why he's there or what he's trying to film he's ALREADY being told to put the camera down, people don't appreciate having camera's shoved in their faces with no warning... but I'm sure they were only doing it to censor his specific views.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I didn't see too much of the video before the quicktime on the site crapped out and started skipping, but what I did see was lame-tastic.

Freedom said 3 times in ten seconds. Zooming in on the word patriot. Talking about the good 'ol days when campuses were used for military recruitment. Showing the faces of 9/11 victims.

All as a contrast to... taking down a flag in a cafeteria? Talk about overkill.

Also, I'm very much willing to bet those two quotes that I did see, especially the one about the pentagon, were taken out of context.
I can't look them up though, because I can't play the movie to check the sources.
But honestly, who 'votes' for Al-Queda? What vote is he talking about? It's all about the context.

Edit: judging from gcomeau's report, I didn't miss much. You honestly need a better argument than two examples to critique a nation's worth of institutions.

 

[Raziaar]

You know, i've been talking about this for years. About universities etc imposing their political views on students. I think thats the first sorts of political discussions I got started with on these forums. This was before I had taken a political stance.

 

[Raziaar]

I didn't see too much of the video before the quicktime on the site crapped out and started skipping, but what I did see was lame-tastic.

Freedom said 3 times in ten seconds. Zooming in on the word patriot. Talking about the good 'ol days when campuses were used for military recruitment. Showing the faces of 9/11 victims.

All as a contrast to... taking down a flag in a cafeteria? Talk about overkill.

Also, I'm very much willing to bet those two quotes that I did see, especially the one about the pentagon, were taken out of context.
I can't look them up though, because I can't play the movie to check the sources.
But honestly, who 'votes' for Al-Queda? What vote is he talking about? It's all about the context.

Edit: judging from gcomeau's report, I didn't miss much. You honestly need a better argument than two examples to critique a nation's worth of institutions.

Maybe you should look more at the movie. It details later about a muslim student who wears a turban being death threatened by those who would normally 'praise' him as a minority, except only for the fact that he was conservative they hated his guts and called him a raghead who should be shot in the face.

EDIT: Download the movie. It has a download link there. That will stop your skipping problems.

 

[kirovman]

Well I can't comment on USA universities, but I can say the only politics I have been exposed to within UK Universities is Students running for Student Union president and the Lecturer's Union strike over wages.
And there's some student societies I never pay attention to.

If there's any brainwashing going on here, it'll be done by students on students. The University authorities are just responsible for running the academia of the University and providing a campus, and services. The students basically organise everything though or at least they need to give feedback before decisions are made.

Not sure how much is the same in the US.

 

[Raziaar]

Well I can't comment on USA universities, but I can say the only politics I have been exposed to within UK Universities is Students running for Student Union president and the Lecturer's Union strike over wages.
And there's some student societies I never pay attention to.

If there's any brainwashing going on here, it'll be done by students on students. The University authorities are just responsible for running the academia of the University and providing a campus, and services. The students basically organise everything though or at least they need to give feedback before decisions are made.

Not sure how much is the same in the US.

Well its notorious in the states. You have VAST majorities of professors being liberally minded, left wingers and they try to impose, shape the young minds they have the opportunity to teach to have the same views as them. They don't try to give them the information for the kids to choose for themselves... they try to force theirs views upon the impressionable minds.

 

[Calanen]

Academics as a group are very biased in favour of the left wing point of view. You have to write left wing essays, and pretend to be a good little leftie, otherwise they will fail you. Least that was my experience at the University of Sydney in Australia.

 

[kirovman]

Well its notorious in the states. You have VAST majorities of professors being liberally minded, left wingers and they try to impose, shape the young minds they have the opportunity to teach to have the same views as them. They don't try to give them the information for the kids to choose for themselves... they try to force theirs views upon the impressionable minds.

Heh, I remember with that was the anonymouse questionnare forms, during the lecturer's strike.

One person wrote "Tony Blair should break the lecturer's unions like Margaret Thatcher broke the Miner's Union's in the 80's"

The lecturer said
"It's nice to see we're growing traditional Tories (Conservatives) here...you students are the ones supposed to be supporting us lecturers!"

Also the head of school, I reckon he wants world domination with a facist superstate, led by himself.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Got the video to work, and watching this again, it's really just so exploitative. Using 3000 deaths from 9/11 to demonize people who take down flags.

In the Bucknell university segment, note all the quick cuts.
Charles Mitchell, placed in front of an American flag says his blurb, and is cut aways from, again without context. Exactly how is it untrue that america has had its fair share of racism and sexism and whatnot?
Any concrete examples of his assertion that the college is out to demonize america? Only the next quote.

The professor guy is cut to and away from just so he can say the word "racist." Forget the fact that it can be safely said that the vast majority of any society would be "unconciously rascist" and that it's a human trait. Yet he's portrayed as evil.
Also note that he's a professor of Economics.
Exactly how would this 'bias' manifest itself in an economics class?

"Professors write in the newspaper, calling us racist" Oh really? How about an actual quote from an article then, to show us exactly what it is without this girl's secondhand spin on it?

Mitchell says "they're all like "capitalism is evil blahblahblah" and then we cut to the economics professor saying that many economists examine marxist ideas.
It's slick editing, but it distorts the entirely true statement into sounding anti-capitalist and evil. It makes this blanket statement sound like the professor's own personnal opinion.

Note that Mitchell's accusations are all vague. Is he talking about anyone in particular, or the professor being interviewed? "You never hear about the evils of communism, about the piles of bodies."
Since when does anyone have to tell you about that? That's highschool-level stuff.

In the next quote, the professor makes it clear. The entire focus of the course in question is about the problems with capitalism.

The guy is complaining that a course called "Critique of Capitalism" is critiquing capitalism! No shit?!

He's teaching kids about different kinds of economies. How is that unreasonable?
An economics major is required to understand the world's second most prominent economic philosophy and that's somehow evil?
Oh, but that kid with the flag quilt doesn't want to know about anything other than capitalism! DAMN YOU BIASED UNIVERSITIES!

Girl pops up again to complain that many courses have to do with sex. I'm sure her assertion that there are absolutely no 'regular' courses is an exaggeration. So what's her problem then?

Mitchell again, making vague accusations against undefined "people." then he goes on with an edited story about an engineering class that he has not ever been to (it might not have been an engineering class, because he doesn't actually know what the subject of the class was!)

So, we have another vague, uncorroborated story told second-hand by a guy who is rather blatantly one of the only two students the interviewer could get to talk to him. Look out, 20/20! This is investigative journalism at its best!

Again, the girl. "If people we're supposed to respect are saying these things, of course it's going to sink in."
Oh really? Then why are you talking to a cameraman about how objectionable these views are? Shouldn't you be brainwashed by now?

More vague statements from Mitchell. "Many people" "apparently" don't like different viewpoints.

"Students at Bucknell feel like they're being indoctrinated."
Well, that's very vaguely true numerically, since he did actually manage to find not one but two students to corroborate his claims with vague statements.

No evidence though. No specifics. Just "people" in "lots of classes" who talk about "views".

Am I the only person getting the impression that the professor actually seemed like a very reasonable guy when compared to the unspecific generalizations of the confused girl and and the smirking dork?

Oh god, and the video's only 1/5 of the way in. This is going to be painful.

It's just so ironic that this movie reeks of the most tremendous bias, weak conclusions and out-of context quoting I have ever seen in my life. And I've seen Fahrenheit 9/11.

The conclusion the guy is making is laughable. Because the university talks about how racism is bad and capitalism isn't perfect, while simultaneously refusing to demonize sex and feminists, it's somehow 'indoctrinating' people with evil bias.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Freedom said 3 times in ten seconds. Zooming in on the word patriot. Talking about the good 'ol days when campuses were used for military recruitment. Showing the faces of 9/11 victims.

All as a contrast to... taking down a flag in a cafeteria? Talk about overkill.

First, your wrong in your intentionally vague misinterpretations and you chose not to understand the author because of personal offense.

So, without further adue, for those of you who have'nt seen it, watch it. Watch it, dont expect us to write for you, WATCH IT.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

The conclusion the guy is making is laughable. Because the university talks about how racism is bad and capitalism isn't perfect, while simultaneously refusing to demonize sex and feminists, it's somehow 'indoctrinating' people with evil bias.

That post was laughable at best -- care to back up what he corellates is'int true? I'll wait for your response while I watch the rest of this film.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Actually, since I've gone through the first halfs of the film, I can easily tell that MechaGodzilla's post invests a fantasy movie then addresses it.

Watch the film, you'll see its hardly whats mentioned about it. Good shit! :thumbs:

 

[Raziaar]

The conclusion the guy is making is laughable. Because the university talks about how racism is bad and capitalism isn't perfect, while simultaneously refusing to demonize sex and feminists, it's somehow 'indoctrinating' people with evil bias.

Dude! Did you understand ANYTHING from that clip? The university was saying 'racism' is bad, but they were talking about republicans supporting a BLACK author about a book that talks about leaving a plantation... an anti-racist issue. They're demonizing the kids, and calling their actions 'promiting racism' simply because the BLACK author that they are promoting is a conservative. I guess that shocks their conscience.

I mean... My god. how can there be a black conservative! /sarcasm

 

[K e r b e r o s]

^ I know -- he really did'nt ... he must've pressed down random parts of the movie-clips bar, and just generalized from that. :/

 

[Mechagodzilla]

That entire post was about the Bucknell segment. I had not even seen the "flyer" section at that point.

And kerebros, really. Unless you can bother to tell me why I'm wrong, be quiet.

I made it clear that I stopped analysing the movie after that point.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

No, I wont be quiet. You just generalized the film to dissent the idea of anything constructive coming from it. I'm in the middle of it, and this is good and I would encourage others to watch it.

The films actual content alone differ's so much from your vague and incorrect interpretations, I actually thought I should'nt be bothered even responding to you because of it.

 

[Korgoth]

kerberos you see what you want to see just like everyone else,. your not above that. I'm not saying mecha is either, but its his interpretation of the film and he is entitled to it. Don't try even for a second to pretend you are a voice of un biased reason.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Speak for yourself ... I'am also allowed to my opinions about what Mecha said and the film itself -- and what Mecha said about the film is completely opposite of the what the film really is.

 

[Raziaar]

kerberos you see what you want to see just like everyone else,. your not above that. I'm not saying mecha is either, but its his interpretation of the film and he is entitled to it. Don't try even for a second to pretend you are a voice of un biased reason.

Okay... so its okay for you guys to criticize our interpretations of films such as Farenheit 9/11 which your type does and tries to invalidate our opinions... but we can't do the same about something such as this?

I see.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I know right? ^

In the great words of many, "OMFG STOP TEH DISSENT!"

 

[Korgoth]

In your opinion.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

To yours.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

No, I wont be quiet. You just generalized the film to dissent the idea of anything constructive coming from it. I'm in the middle of it, and this is good and I would encourage others to watch it.

The films actual content alone differ's so much from your vague and incorrect interpretations, I actually thought I should'nt be bothered even responding to you because of it.

Please explain my generalizations. My analysis of that one segment is more in-depth than any other post here.

How can someone "dissent" an idea, by the way?

If anything, your accusations of generalisation without bothering to explain your reasoning are far more baseless and general.

Now, please don't accuse me of something without a clear rationalle. Hey, now I know why you like the movie!

 

[Korgoth]

Okay... so its okay for you guys to criticize our interpretations of films such as Farenheit 9/11 which your type does and tries to invalidate our opinions... but we can't do the same about something such as this?

I see.

Yes thats exactly what I said.
Being critical is one thing, Calling the director a fat white liberal idiot is another. Pretending that someones opinion is false.. Well you get the point

 

[K e r b e r o s]

To MechaGodzilla:

Your generalizations had nothing to do with the student taking an activist point in how the school chose to persecute against Conservatives, which is made evident in film evidence and commentary; aswell as interviews with students and campus officials.

Precisely to the point. Which you so crudley skewed -- now explain how I'am incorrect.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yes thats exactly what I said.
Being critical is one thing, Calling the director a fat white liberal idiot is another. Pretending that someones opinion is false.. Well you get the point

No, actually I don't. :/

 

[Raziaar]

Yes thats exactly what I said.
Being critical is one thing, Calling the director a fat white liberal idiot is another. Pretending that someones opinion is false.. Well you get the point

I think only a couple people have stated that he's a fat white liberal idiot. I'm certainly not one of them.

Besides. 'fat white idiot' is a term democrats usually say to convey republicans, so I call foul on you using it in that way. :monkee:

 

[Korgoth]

then i'm clearly wasting my time.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

To MechaGodzilla:

Your generalizations had nothing to do with the student taking an activist point in how the school chose to persecute against Conservatives, which is made evident in film evidence and commentary; aswell as interviews with students and campus officials.

Precisely to the point. Which you so crudley skewed -- now explain how I'am incorrect.

Uh, I think my point was that the movie was far too biased as a result of that focus purely on activist conservative opinions.
It's even worse that the student opinions are entirely those of conservative activists, and being used as indicative of the university population as a whole.

The entire first segment contains no facts whatsoever and is entirely unconvincing. My post adressed that.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Ooo, you did'nt see this MechaGodzilla:

A Liberal Organization on the same campus this video is about, testifies correctly to the activist accusations and verifies they are true. Ooo, Mecha missed that! :thumbs:

Uh, I think my point was that the movie was far too biased as a result of that focus purely on activist conservative opinions.

You also missed the part where the conservatives where gained death threats and were administrators cussed and insulted at them on a personal level.

People drawing Swastika's on their door -- yea, thats biased. Heh, no its not! :stare:

 

[K e r b e r o s]

The entire first segment contains no facts whatsoever and is entirely unconvincing. My post adressed that.

No, the first segment did contain a lot of visible, written, and verbal evidence that is proven true in the documentary.

... and, since you just wrote about the first half: WATCH THE REST OF IT!

 

[Mechagodzilla]

You also missed the part where the conservatives where gained death threats and were administrators cussed and insulted at them on a personal level.

People drawing Swastika's on their door -- yea, thats biased. Heh, no its not! :stare:

Goddamn, listen!
I WAS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST SEGMENT!!!
That's why you're wrong.

Edit: I just finished the rest of the video, and none of the earlier points are elaborated any further. Okay? There. None of the things I critiqued were further elaborated on. So enough already.

His arguments do get stronger, but again, he's only talking about two incidents, and using them as evidence of a nationwide problem.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

No, I'm not -- because I actually bothered to watch the whole thing. Your wrong for not watching all of it, and generalizing for your agenda ... whatever it is thats capable of ignoring death threats, fights, assaults, and administrators abusing of power.

Not a personal swing at you, but how you even bothered to miss this is beyond me.

 

[Korgoth]

What the hell, this movie is about bias, and is clearly one sided, the irony amazes me.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

See edit above.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

To Innervision:

Oh right, because it follows a conservative perspective? What of all the liberal qualitive drivel that follow's their perspective?

Its the same thing, and its never negated you guys from taking a stance for F9/11.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

His arguments do get stronger, but again, he's only talking about two incidents, and using them as evidence of a nationwide problem.

Which it is -- but you would'nt understand that. Further, I dont think you really "watched" the movie. I'm still watching it.

 

[Korgoth]

No, I'm not -- because I actually bothered to watch the whole thing. Your wrong for not watching all of it, and generalizing for your agenda ... whatever it is thats capable of ignoring death threats, fights, assaults, and administrators abusing of power.

Not a personal swing at you, but how you even bothered to miss this is beyond me.

Oh yes fear mechaG's "agenda", by golly if we let this continue he will have invaded syria by the end of the week.

I seem to remember very similar arguements with some of you conservative chaps after F911 was released, people cursing moore and his movie and saying how wrong he was, yet they hadn't even bothered to watch the first half, they hadn't watched any of it, and I didn't hear you complaining then... Whats going on here.