New Academic Bias Movie

[K e r b e r o s]

Oh yes, by golly that conservative bias they would have invaded Canada by the week, der-her-a-her!

they hadn't watched any of it, and I didn't hear you complaining then...

Why are'nt you complaining about F/911 then?

Of course, you know what you just edited out. Talk about dissent. :/

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Oh right, because it follows a conservative perspective? What of all the liberal qualitive drivel that follow's their perspective?

Its the same thing, and its never negated you guys from taking a stance for F9/11.

What in the hell are you going on about?

I critiqued a specific section of the movie. Made it clear that I was critiquing only that section. repeated that fact several times, and still you're going on dismissing everything I say because i didn't do a scene-by scene analysis of the whole thing?

At what point did I dismiss the movie as bad purely because it's conservative?
I criticised the movie for being too conservative-biased, *and* for lacking adequate facts to support the thesis.

Maybe you missed the part where I wrote that this is the worst such movie I've seen, and F9/11 is the second worst?

So really, stop accusing me of hating the movie purely because of its conservatism. I hate it for ALL of the reasons I wrote and that you have consistently failed to address in any rational capacity.

 

[Absinthe]

1. Yay! First it starts out by saying how rad and cool it was for campuses to be used for military recruitment!

2. Now there's two quotes from professors. Let's say these weren't taken out of context. They are still only two quotes. How many professors are there in the United States?

3. He goes on to talk about hom some campuses removed the flag while playing sad and mournful violin music in the background. You know what? I'm willing to bet money that this wasn't because of some extremely liberal anti-Americanism, but because they didn't want to make themselves out as freakin' targets.

4. Now it makes one example that I will admit may be somewhat extreme. Having to remove a flag from a desk is kind of silly. However, the narrator absolutely has to bring up the irrelevant fact that she was friends with somebody on one of the hijacked flights. What a stupid appeal to emotion.

5. Bucknell: Wow. You talked to a total of two students out of a campus of how many? And how many professors did you talk to, sir? Not only is it a pitiful amount of sources to go from (and it's laughable that off of those two students, he can say that all of the students feel they're being indoctrinated), but it's edited in such a shoddily fashion, constantly cutting from person to person. God knows what's been taken out of context, or where the narrator has cut a person off. And I'm sorry, but Charles Mitchell has no idea what universities used to be like.

6. Cal Poly: I'll agree that things like this should not be happening, but this does not suggest that this behavior is the norm in universities across the nation.

7. "And if they stand by what they did, why wouldn't anybody talk on camera?" Oh, Mr. Maloney. If it's anything like the previous two hackjobs I've seen, I wouldn't blame them.

8. Interview with the college President: Wow! You shoved a camera into his face and you wonder why he didn't answer your questions! And then you threw around words like "persecution"! You certainly aren't biased.

"You do not have an appointment to see-"

"But I couldn't get an appointment."

"You don't have an appointment to see the President."

"No one would respond to my requests."

Well, cry me a ****ing river, sir. Your inability to get an appointment does not give you the right to barge around with a camera and interrogate this man. So sorry. And when all's said and done, you call this a "civil visit". Give me a break.

9. After the President accuses our friendly narrator of demanding an interview, it cuts back to a shot of him entering his office and tries to argue that no demands were made.
Well, sir. Your own film defeats you. He asked you to put the camera away. Twice. And you refused to do so. He said he was not available to comment, and yet you persisted in asking him questions. He has asked you to leave the campus, and yet you stayed to question him some more. And so while you may not have made any demands, you're very presence and actions were indicative of your demand for an audience, for further questioning, and your refusal to simply piss off. And you wonder why he called Public Safety? Again, your own film defeats you. Stop trying to victimize yourself.

I also don't see what was so funny about the guy. He was remarkebly civil with your overbearing presence. He didn't say anything offensive. He wasn't controversial. The most he did was say that he wasn't going to comment. He even had the courtesy of shaking your hand (after your irritating persistence, might I add) when most others would have waited for the cops to escort you out.

You learned the "hard way" because you acted like an idiot.

10: University of Tennessee: Again, I'll give the film its point, but I see no reason to not view these as isolated incidents.

11: The black and white "Popularity" film. Wow. Just wow. I'm not even sure if I have to comment on this. Anybody who watched it, regardless of their political leanings, should have recognized it as stupid and ignorant.

This film would have you believe that university selection in the United States consists of only three choices, and all of them are partisan. He has presented three shoddy case studies, and everybody should know that the findings in case studies cannot be generalized to others. These are based on abnormalities in the education system. For all it's emphasis on brainwashing, it certainly doesn't do much better.

BTW Kerberos, Mecha was only talking about the first segment of the video. You're not making any relevant argument when you start bringing in crap that took place afterwards.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

What in the hell are you going on about?

Not about you Mecha -- if anything involved you (as I've finished with your side on the first page) I would've addressed you.

To Absinthe:

Really wrong.

This film would have you believe that university selection in the United States consists of only three choices, and all of them are partisan. He has presented three shoddy case studies, and everybody should know that the findings in case studies cannot be generalized to others. These are based on abnormalities in the education system. For all it's emphasis on brainwashing, it certainly doesn't do much better.

No, it was about oppression and violence against conservatists, and even a Liberal backed that up during the film. Interesting really, but your point really does fail describing the film at all.

But I guess your one for oppressing and using violence against conservatives? I mean, you skimmed over at all the death threats and sign-taking, and fight demands -- ...

But hey, your entitled to your "opinions" considering its not at all factual with your rant like attitude :thumbs:

 

[Korgoth]

kerberos, i've never once claimed F911 to be a good unbiased source of info, in fact I've personally stated otherwise. Secondly, the only time i've ever defended moore was when he was personally attacked, mainly because he doesn't deserve such hatred. I've only defended the film when someone was obviously lying, and i've always had proof to my claims. You are pretending this movie isn't biased and that its some sort of conspiracy to get conservatives blah blah blah, you are wrong.

I would also like to add it is extremely frustrating trying to communicate with you due to the randomness of your replies, not to mention their non-sensical nature.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

1. Yay! First it starts out by saying how rad and cool it was for campuses to be used for military recruitment!

2. Now there's two quotes from professors. Let's say these weren't taken out of context. They are still only two quotes. How many professors are there in the United States?

3. He goes on to talk about hom some campuses removed the flag while playing sad and mournful violin music in the background. You know what? I'm willing to bet money that this wasn't because of some extremely liberal anti-Americanism, but because they didn't want to make themselves out as freakin' targets.

4. Now it makes one example that I will admit may be somewhat extreme. Having to remove a flag from a desk is kind of silly. However, the narrator absolutely has to bring up the irrelevant fact that she was friends with somebody on one of the hijacked flights. What a stupid appeal to emotion.

5. Bucknell: Wow. You talked to a total of two students out of a campus of how many? And how many professors did you talk to, sir? Not only is it a pitiful amount of sources to go from (and it's laughable that off of those two students, he can say that all of the students feel they're being indoctrinated), but it's edited in such a shoddily fashion, constantly cutting from person to person. God knows what's been taken out of context, or where the narrator has cut a person off. And I'm sorry, but Charles Mitchell has no idea what universities used to be like.

6. Cal Poly: I'll agree that things like this should not be happening, but this does not suggest that this behavior is the norm in universities across the nation.

7. "And if they stand by what they did, why wouldn't anybody talk on camera?" Oh, Mr. Maloney. If it's anything like the previous two hackjobs I've seen, I wouldn't blame them.

8. Interview with the college President: Wow! You shoved a camera into his face and you wonder why he didn't answer your questions! And then you threw around words like "persecution"! You certainly aren't biased.

"You do not have an appointment to see-"

"But I couldn't get an appointment."

"You don't have an appointment to see the President."

"No one would respond to my requests."

Well, cry me a ****ing river, sir. Your inability to get an appointment does not give you the right to barge around with a camera and interrogate this man. So sorry. And when all's said and done, you call this a "civil visit". Give me a break.

9. After the President accuses our friendly narrator of demanding an interview, it cuts back to a shot of him entering his office and tries to argue that no demands were made.
Well, sir. Your own film defeats you. He asked you to put the camera away. Twice. And you refused to do so. He said he was not available to comment, and yet you persisted in asking him questions. He has asked you to leave the campus, and yet you stayed to question him some more. And so while you may not have made any demands, you're very presence and actions were indicative of your demand for an audience, for further questioning, and your refusal to simply piss off. And you wonder why he called Public Safety? Again, your own film defeats you. Stop trying to victimize yourself.

I also don't see what was so funny about the guy. He was remarkebly civil with your overbearing presence. He didn't say anything offensive. He wasn't controversial. The most he did was say that he wasn't going to comment. He even had the courtesy of shaking your hand (after your irritating persistence, might I add) when most others would have waited for the cops to escort you out.

You learned the "hard way" because you acted like an idiot.

10: University of Tennessee: Again, I'll give the film its point, but I see no reason to not view these as isolated incidents.

11: The black and white "Popularity" film. Wow. Just wow. I'm not even sure if I have to comment on this. Anybody who watched it, regardless of their political leanings, should have recognized it as stupid and ignorant.

This film would have you believe that university selection in the United States consists of only three choices, and all of them are partisan. He has presented three shoddy case studies, and everybody should know that the findings in case studies cannot be generalized to others. These are based on abnormalities in the education system. For all it's emphasis on brainwashing, it certainly doesn't do much better.

Quoted for emphasis. This is exactly what I was saying before Kerebros mired my point by repeatedly yelling "you're wrong" with no apparent reasons.

But hey, your entitled to your "opinions" considering its not at all factual with your rant like attitude

Oh no, he's doing it to you too!

"It's not at all factual, and I will not bother to explain why."

 

[K e r b e r o s]

So really, stop accusing me of hating the movie purely because of its conservatism. I hate it for ALL of the reasons I wrote and that you have consistently failed to address in any rational capacity.

No I have, but your attempting to bring it all back on your opinion which you obviously hold in such high-reguard as opposed to anyone else's.

I mean, the moment I disagree, you get in my face about it :/

But again, in a rational capacity I not only made you watch the movie, but I made you reconsolidate your gains, and again you've not been as extreme. Thats progress.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Oh no, he's doing it to you too!

Oh really, cry me river build a bridge and get the **** over it, especially considering what you guys do have the time. :rolling:

 

[Raziaar]

Well, cry me a ****ing river, sir. Your inability to get an appointment does not give you the right to barge around with a camera and interrogate this man. So sorry. And when all's said and done, you call this a "civil visit". Give me a break.

Okay. Did you not hear when that woman said they were allowed to film anywhere in the building? I think she said that anyways. Besides... This guy opened himself up to questions, by posing as a barrier.

EDIT: anyways. I was trying to go to bed. Now I am. <snores> <snores> <snarfs>

 

[Mechagodzilla]

You're wrong, that is utterly untrue! I will not explain why.

Thanks for ruining the thread, Kereboss.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

"It's not at all factual, and I will not bother to explain why."

Kinda like what you posted ... its not factual and I wont bother to explain why ... you really did'nt -- you just critiqued it as literally from how you implied it, conservative propaganda.

You did'nt actually say conservative propaganda, but we know you ment that early on; which is why I posted against you in hopes you'd give a second chance.

So, do you believe conservatives are not capable of being victims to campus wide dissent, death threats, and fight provacations?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

You're wrong, that is utterly untrue! I will not explain why.

Mecca Godzilla (hey look, I can edit to):

"You're wrong, that is utterly untrue! I will explain using my theorum of conservative propaganda! Waaahhh! Its from the other side -- I'll generalize about it and bother to watch only the first halfs because I cant stand to hear other opinions besides my own!

EDIT: Waaahh!! He made me watch the rest of the film to eat my words!"

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Thanks for ruining the thread, Kereboss.

Hey, thanks for editing that into your post Mecca Godzilla, but you did'nt ruin others from watching this film and coming to acknowledge a campus wide dissent effort against conservatives.

 

[Absinthe]

No, it was about oppression and violence against conservatists, and even a Liberal backed that up during the film. Interesting really, but your point really does fail describing the film at all.

And there has been oppression and violence against liberals as well. But I'm not going to say that there's a streak of that violence ingrained into our culture, let alone our education system.

These are isolated events, Kerberos. My entire point was that, for all his accusations of the universities being violently liberal, he's only given three examples.

But I guess your one for oppressing and using violence against conservatives? I mean, you skimmed over at all the death threats and sign-taking, and fight demands -- ...

Ha! It's great that you're the one to accuse people of misunderstanding/misrepresenting things when you do just that!

But hey, your entitled to your "opinions" considering its not at all factual with your rant like attitude :thumbs:

Just as you're entitled to your opinions, which conveniently allow your condescension to get in the way of any critical analysis.

GJ.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

And there has been oppression and violence against liberals as well.

Oh hardly what you think -- infact, your probably in support of violence against conservatives.

These are isolated events, Kerberos.

Hey, millions of marching liberal protestors tearing down conservative signs and threatening others with physical violence all can't be wrong. Its evident, recorded, and I can start posting as soon as you open up for it.

Ha! It's great that you're the one to accuse people of misunderstanding/misrepresenting things when you do just that!

Ha! It's great that you're the one to accuse people of misunderstanding/misrepresenting things with your qualitive retorts when you do just that!

Just as you're entitled to your opinions, which conveniently allow your condescension to get in the way of any critical analysis.

Judging from the bias of yours, I can see that the Pot is also black like the Kettle.

GJ

 

[Absinthe]

Okay. Did you not hear when that woman said they were allowed to film anywhere in the building? I think she said that anyways. Besides... This guy opened himself up to questions, by posing as a barrier.

He's the Preisdent. If he wants you off the campus, then you go off of the campus. I sincerely doubt that when the woman said he could film anywhere in the building, she also meant he could film the President and nag him with stupid questions. I think our narrator just used that as an excuse to act like an ass.

Opened himself up to questions by posing as a barrier? Then what should he have done? Conducted an interview right there and then and allow the same slipshod editing that permated the rest of the film? He wasn't going to comment, and that's that. I don't blame him in the least.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

He's the Preisdent. If he wants you off the campus, then you go off of the campus.

For what? The movie asks -- for what?

Your personal opinion and choice of party, thats what! :flame:

I don't blame him in the least.

Because if he did do the interview he might be exposed for his guilt in oppressing others and allowing death threats and student violence to permiate in his own campus.

I think our narrator just used that as an excuse to act like an ass.

Oh please, he was as calm as a rock. Everyone besides him, was'nt. Hmmm, I wonder why ... maybe because they were guilty of what the film presents to us?

Its not even a maybe now -- its a fact. It always has been.

 

[Absinthe]

Oh hardly what you think -- infact, your probably in support of violence against conservatives.

A very false assumption on your part.

Kerberos, you're not in a position to bitch about my factual accuracy when you're going to resort to such tactics.

Hey, millions of marching liberal protestors tearing down conservative signs and threatening others with physical violence all can't be wrong. Its evident, recorded, and I can start posting as soon as you open up for it.

Hey! Murders of homosexuals by the hands of conservatives and abortion clinic bombings can't be wrong either!

Do you see where I'm going with this? The actions of a few universities is not indicative of all universities. Same with liberals and conservatives.

Ha! It's great that you're the one to accuse people of misunderstanding/misrepresenting things with your qualitive retorts when you do just that!

What are you talking about? You said that I condoned violence against conservatives when I said no such thing. So really, Kerberos. What's your point?

Judging from the bias of yours, I can see that the Pot is also black like the Kettle.

I see that you're now done making any argument whatsoever and are instead content with sitting there with your thumb up your ass and saying "You're wrong". If that's truly the case... Well, bye!

 

[Raziaar]

He's the Preisdent. If he wants you off the campus, then you go off of the campus. I sincerely doubt that when the woman said he could film anywhere in the building, she also meant he could film the President and nag him with stupid questions. I think our narrator just used that as an excuse to act like an ass.

Opened himself up to questions by posing as a barrier? Then what should he have done? Conducted an interview right there and then and allow the same slipshod editing that permated the rest of the film? He wasn't going to comment, and that's that. I don't blame him in the least.

That guy they were talking to wasn't the president. I don't think they even showed the president, did they? The guy said they were not allowed to see the president. The filmmaker said the president was in there not looking like he was doing much.

I guess from your point of view, you'll bend over and take it if you're asked to move to a 'designated protest zone' on a presidential parade, eh? To ask questions with your picket signs, make your voices heard.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Kerberos, you're not in a position to bitch about my factual accuracy when you're going to resort to such tactics.

Really? Your left-fanaticsm really shows when you dont give conservative films a chance and just generalize for a personal agenda. Its been evident here and elsewhere whats been done to conservatives, and it needs to be stopped!

Hey! Murders of homosexuals by the hands of conservatives and abortion clinic bombings can't be wrong either!

Hey! Murders of soldiers and the oppression of free speech rights by the hands of LIBERALS can't be wrong either!

You said that I condoned violence against conservatives when I said no such thing.

You inherently posted your support for it when you nethire cared about the concerns and also generalized over them. If this guy was killed by a mob from his college, honestly, you would'nt care a shit would you?

I see that you're now done making any argument whatsoever and are instead content with sitting there with your thumb up your ass and saying "You're wrong". If that's truly the case... Well, bye!

Hey, at least I stop the bullshit at the mouth of the problem -- you? You take X'lax of the Liberal and let that shit run down your leg -- but if this is truely the case where you honestly believe its more conservative propaganda and that conservatives deserve campus wide oppression then ... well, dont let the door hit you on the ass as you leave!

 

[Korgoth]

So liberals are killing our soldiers now kerberos? Did you really just say that? Oh my God, you really have lost your mind. Step back, take a breath, I believe you're slobbering. You are no longer worth my time.

Your inept hatred of "liberals" really bleeds through when you go as far as to accuse them of killing soldiers. Last I remember a CONSERVATIVE president sent our SOLDIERS to DIE in a war justified by these so called CONSERVATIVE morals.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

So liberals are killing our soldiers now kerberos?

The shock factor became zero once you took out of context my original point which was'nt addressed at you. Here, I'll bite:

Some of them wish our military would fall, and that our soldiers would die. Is that so incorrect? I mean, I have'nt slandered all Liberals for this cause, but judging from their million person march displays accross the nation, and with more then half of them in support of our forces weakening or being killed ... it is a plausible support.

Call them "my" Little Eichmans.

Did you really just say that? Oh my God, you really have lost your mind. Step back, take a breath, I believe you're slobbering. You are no longer worth my time.

Hey, you were'nt worth my time either ... :/ sadly.

Last I remember a CONSERVATIVE president sent our SOLDIERS to DIE in a war justified by these so called CONSERVATIVE morals.

Yea, sending them against terrorists which some people actively support -- Liberal or Conservative, supporting the killing of those people in the towers is really unjustified considering little if not any injustices were harbored against those who perimiate such responses.

 

[Absinthe]

For what? The movie asks -- for what?

Your personal opinion and choice of party, thats what! :flame:

It was in reference to the narrator, Kerberos. The narrator is trying to demonize a legitimate and understandable reaction: not wanting to conduct an interview with an asshole.

Because if he did do the interview he might be exposed for his guilt in oppressing others and allowing death threats and student violence to permiate in his own campus.

Your entire argument is based on assumptions.

Oh please, he was as calm as a rock. Everyone besides him, was'nt. Hmmm, I wonder why ... maybe because they were guilty of what the film presents to us?

Shoving a camera into a man's face, burdening him with repeated questions that he refuses to answer, refusing to turn the camera off, and trying to enforce a facade of

Its not even a maybe now -- its a fact. It always has been.

What are you on about?

 

[Raziaar]

Well, since you guys need some links to go over the fact that there is INDEED a problem with liberal bias against conservatives on campuses, I have spent a minute or two picking out a few links.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/printer_9947.shtml

http://www.robertholcomb.com/weblog/archives/000428.html

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/748

These are not just isolated incidences. You're only fooling yourself to think so, and you're choosing to ignore a problem after people are saying there is a problem.

Read these links. Please. Here's a small quote from the last link there.

I became especially aware of the bias on campus immediately after September 11th, when many professors spoke at a University-sponsored panel series on September 11th entitled "9/11: Causes and Consequences," at which very few voices were friendly to U.S. interests, while many professors condemned the U.S. and blamed U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, especially toward Israel, for the terrorist attacks. Many professors were also vocal in the student paper and around campus, blaming our sanctions against Iraq for the attacks, lambasting "American imperialism," and responding bitterly when a few timid students stated their concern over the deaths of fellow Americans. I found these facts extremely troubling. Perhaps the worst thing is that faculty members have created an atmosphere in which debate is chilled; those who defend America are not as welcome to express their views as those who condemn it.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

It was in reference to the narrator, Kerberos. The narrator is trying to demonize a legitimate and understandable reaction: not wanting to conduct an interview with an asshole.

He was as calm as a rock. You can't argue differently, especially when he even bothered to video-tape his own behavior.

Your entire argument is based on assumptions.

So you assume ... :/

Shoving a camera into a man's face, burdening him with repeated questions that he refuses to answer, refusing to turn the camera off, and trying to enforce a facade of

If you missed at all which was priorly discussed, then you'd understand why the man did'nt want camera's. Watch it again. :/

 

[Absinthe]

I guess from your point of view, you'll bend over and take it if you're asked to move to a 'designated protest zone' on a presidential parade, eh? To ask questions with your picket signs, make your voices heard.

What the **** are you talking about? I'm talking about the narrator acting like a complete cock with his questioning and his camera. If I got escorted off the campus by cops for doing the same, I wouldn't surprised in the god damn slightest.

Really? Your left-fanaticsm really shows when you dont give conservative films a chance and just generalize for a personal agenda.

I saw the film and thought that its argumentation was flawed in many ways. And as for generalizations... The film does just that! It takes three incidents in three colleges and says "THIS IS PROOF THAT AMERICAN UNIVERSITIES ARE RUN BY CRAZY LIBERALS".

Its been evident here and elsewhere whats been done to conservatives, and it needs to be stopped!

What exactly is being done to conservatives across the nation? What societal persecution is taking place? I see a couple of areas, people, and groups trying their hardest to persecute liberals or conservatives, but this is not some epidemic.

Hey! Murders of soldiers and the oppression of free speech rights by the hands of LIBERALS can't be wrong either!

And the murdering of Iraqi civilians at the hands oc CONSERVATIVES can't be wrong either!

But really, what's your point? Is anybody saying that these things are right? You're making this out as if it's solely a liberal issue when it isn't, and you're making up arguments where there doesn't need to be any.

You inherently posted your support for it when you nethire cared about the concerns and also generalized over them. If this guy was killed by a mob from his college, honestly, you would'nt care a shit would you?

Where did I say I didn't care? Where did I generalize? What substance have you been smoking?

My entire argument has been that this man cannot take three examples of injustice and then generalize them over all universities.

So stop making straw man arguments and stop judging my character over the most superficial and non-existent of evidence.

...that conservatives deserve campus wide oppression then ...

Aha! Proof that you have completely misinterpreted (as usual) everything I have said so far! You're a true Republican spinster. Congrats!

 

[Absinthe]

He was as calm as a rock. You can't argue differently, especially when he even bothered to video-tape his own behavior.

That's why I argue that his own film defeats him.

So you assume ... :/

No, Kerberos. I don't assume on that part. When you start saying that I probably don't care if conservatives get hurt or killed, you cross into a realm of ignorance that hurts to touch.

If you missed at all which was priorly discussed, then you'd understand why the man did'nt want camera's. Watch it again. :/

Watched that part again, and you know what I came up with? He doesn't want the cameras because they're invasive and because the man can probably expect a Moore-like editing job that would make him look bad.

 

[Absinthe]

Well, since you guys need some links to go over the fact that there is INDEED a problem with liberal bias against conservatives on campuses, I have spent a minute or two picking out a few links.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/printer_9947.shtml

http://www.robertholcomb.com/weblog/archives/000428.html

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/748

These are not just isolated incidences. You're only fooling yourself to think so, and you're choosing to ignore a problem after people are saying there is a problem.

Read these links. Please. Here's a small quote from the last link there.

And here's the thing, Raziaar. Those are far better sources of information than this hackjob documentary.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

What the **** are you talking about? I'm talking about the narrator acting like a complete cock with his questioning and his camera. If I got escorted off the campus by cops for doing the same, I wouldn't surprised in the god damn slightest.

He was as calm as a rock -- he really is, watch it again. Asshole? Try the guy who did'nt shake his hand ... at first.

I saw the film and thought that its argumentation was flawed in many ways. And as for generalizations... The film does just that! It takes three incidents in three colleges and says "THIS IS PROOF THAT AMERICAN UNIVERSITIES ARE RUN BY CRAZY LIBERALS".

Thanks for putting words into my mouth -- it could be a fine addition to the other claims I own, like the one I've been upholding here: Campus wide attrition to Conservatives is wrong, and needs to be stopped.

This video just exposes it further.

What exactly is being done to conservatives across the nation?

Here. We. Go. For. The. Tip. Of. The. Ice. Berg:

http://hq.**************.com/

Watch the videos there. Hilarious, as it contradicts the Nay-Sayers that Liberals are incapable or however not responsible for the actions commited there.

And the murdering of Iraqi civilians at the hands oc CONSERVATIVES can't be wrong either!

No, sorry, you cant be apart of our clique. You have to be more responsible, and realize conservatives are'nt actively killing people in Iraq.

... shall I start citing ogrish for Al-Zarqwai's 90% resistance effort?

He just decapitated two kids on video -- Oooo! But thats for Ogrish subscribers!

My entire argument has been that this man cannot take three examples of injustice and then generalize them over all universities.

He's not, he's assuming you know all the rest.

Aha! Proof that you have completely misinterpreted (as usual) everything I have said so far! You're a true Republican spinster. Congrats!

Of course, your only half citing my arguements. Why did you even bother to include periods? It practically exposes your guilty!

 

[K e r b e r o s]

That's why I argue that his own film defeats him.

No, the whole thing is very charmingly calm -- which I think makes you upset that your wrong when I call you on it.

No, Kerberos. I don't assume on that part. When you start saying that I probably don't care if conservatives get hurt or killed, you cross into a realm of ignorance that hurts to touch.

Yea, because the truth hurts does'nt it?

Watched that part again, and you know what I came up with?

Liberal hackjobbing?

 

[Absinthe]

He was as calm as a rock -- he really is, watch it again. Asshole? Try the guy who did'nt shake his hand ... at first.

Trailing a man with a camera after he's asked you to turn it off and badgering him constantly with questions when he has said, repeatedly, that the President is not prepared to comment, is assholish behavior.

I wouldn't shake his hand either.

Thanks for putting words into my mouth -- it could be a fine addition to the other claims I own, like the one I've been upholding here: Campus wide attrition to Conservatives is wrong, and needs to be stopped.

This video just exposes it further.

But the problem is that it doesn't expose it on a national level like it would lead you to believe. It has shown it on three campuses. And with all the campuses, it only shows one incident.

Say what you want about those campuses. I think it's wrong what they did. But you cannot effectively argue that this kind of shit is going on everywhere.

Here. We. Go. For. The. Tip. Of. The. Ice. Berg:

http://hq.**************.com/

Watch the videos there. Hilarious, as it contradicts the Nay-Sayers that Liberals are incapable or however not responsible for the actions commited there.

And what? Liberals are never attacked, harassed, given shit, told to shut up, etc.? What world do you live in?

No, sorry, you cant be apart of our clique. You have to be more responsible, and realize conservatives are'nt actively killing people in Iraq.

It was a war began by a conservative and pushed primarily by conservatives.

... shall I start citing ogrish for Al-Zarqwai's 90% resistance effort?

He just decapitated two kids on video -- Oooo! But thats for Ogrish subscribers!

Make sense much?

He's not, he's assuming you know all the rest.

Which most people don't, so that makes it a very poor effin' documentary, now doesn't it?

quote]Of course, your only half citing my arguements. Why did you even bother to include periods? It practically exposes your guilty! [/QUOTE]

Because it was the only significant part of that section of your post. The rest was some holier-than-thou assumptive crappola about how I take Liberal X'Lax.

 

[Absinthe]

No, the whole thing is very charmingly calm -- which I think makes you upset that your wrong when I call you on it.

So... not turning off the camera when asked to is charmingly calm? Irritating a man with questions when he has said that he's not willing to answer is charmingly calm? Coming in with the facade of an objective interview and then asking something like "HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU PERSECUTED SOMEBODY FOR HIS POLITICAL BELIEFS" is charmingly calm? And after all is said and done, asking to shake his hand and then continue to be a pest with asking him questions about how it wasn't civil is also charmingly calm?

It'd be really interesting to see how things are where you're from. Do people kick in each other's teeth to say "thank you"?

Yea, because the truth hurts does'nt it?

I dare you to quote where I said such things.

Until you do (and I mean a proper quote, not some half-cite taken out of context and misinterpreted), you can quit judging my character.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Trailing a man with a camera after he's asked you to turn it off

You totally missed why he wanted it turned off :rollseye:

is assholish behavior.

Hey, look what Moore did to Charleston Heston! Your not calling foul ... at least, not anymore.

I wouldn't shake his hand either.

Before or after he introduced himself?

But the problem is that it doesn't expose it on a national level like it would lead you to believe.

He assumes you already know the prior incidents, and oh, have they been many. You should do some research -- you seem almost befuddeled when topics like these come up.

Liberals are never attacked, harassed, given shit, told to shut up, etc.? What world do you live in?

Earth of course -- and I have'nt heard of one entire case where a Liberal was attacked for his believes. Infact, its completely unheard of! Even to CBS!

It was a war began by a conservative and pushed primarily by conservatives.

Hey, dont shove the blame off to nowhere -- Liberals supported the act aswell to find Bin Laden.

Make sense much?

Yes I do.

Did you have a question as to how I do it?

Which most people don't, so that makes it a very poor effin' documentary, now doesn't it?

Hey, Moore expects us to know a lot, now did'nt he? But again ... your not bothered. :/ ?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

So... not turning off the camera when asked two is charmingly calm?

Anyone whose guilty does'nt like Camera's -- Camera's dont lie. That man wanted the camera turned off for a reason mentioned right before that incident.

I mean, did you just not watch for it?

Coming in with the facade of an objective interview

When the school refused to read his e-mails about interviews in the first place, then at the sametime, persecute his friend?

Really double-sided.

I dare you to quote where I said such things.

No, Kerberos. I don't assume on that part. When you start saying that I probably don't care if conservatives get hurt or killed, you cross into a realm of ignorance that hurts to touch.

K, and I replied with:

The truth hurts does'nt it?

Found it. :/

 

[Raziaar]

Trailing a man with a camera after he's asked you to turn it off and badgering him constantly with questions when he has said, repeatedly, that the President is not prepared to comment, is assholish behavior.

You seem to have a pretty skewed vision of 'badgering'. The guy wasn't harrassing him. He was far more civil than many left-wing situations similiar to these.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

^ No. Kidding.

Peace Protests? Hah! Try, "we come swinging the olive branch of peace protests!"

 

[Absinthe]

You totally missed why he wanted it turned off :rollseye:

Oh no, I think I understand well enough why he wanted it off. I already explained why earlier.

Hey, look what Moore did to Charleston Heston! Your not calling foul ... at least, not anymore.

Where did I say that I supported what Moore did? You're running off of stereotypes instead of actually addressing me, Kerberos. And your arguments suffer for it.

Before or after he introduced himself?

Why should I shake the hand of a man whose hear obviously to act sly and ask me questions he knows I'm not going to answer? He's a punk.

The man did not yell. He didn't insult. He politely declined the interview and had the man removed from campus. I would do the same.

He assumes you already know the prior incidents, and oh, have they been many. You should do some research -- you seem almost befuddeled when topics like these come up.

Kerberos, instead of saying "I'm right, you're wrong, and I won't bother detailing why", how about you actually do something and show some evidence rather than contributing deadweight to the political discussion?
Not everybody is a google fiend that researches crap like this on a daily basis. If the documentary requires that kind of wealth of prior knowledge, then it's a failure.

Earth of course -- and I have'nt heard of one entire case where a Liberal was attacked for his believes. Infact, its completely unheard of! Even to CBS!

Man, I guess abortion clinic bombings are the conservative way of shaking hands.

Hey, dont shove the blame off to nowhere -- Liberals supported the act aswell to find Bin Laden.

"To find Bin Laden" is not the same as "To find WMD's in Iraq".

Hey, Moore expect us to know a lot, now did'nt he? But again ... your not bothered. :/ ?

Like what? We all know that the Iraq war happened. We all know that 9/11 happened.

 

[Absinthe]

Anyone whose guilty does'nt like Camera's -- Camera's dont lie. That man wanted the camera turned off for a reason mentioned right before that incident.

I mean, did you just not watch for it?

Which was?

When the school refused to read his e-mails about interviews in the first place, then at the sametime, persecute his friend?

Really double-sided.

If the school doesn't want an interview, then there doesn't have to be one. Refusal to read his e-mails does not mean that this guy suddenly has the right to conduct an unwanted interview.

K, and I replied with:



Found it. :/

What? What is this? I asked for quotes supporting your argument that I condone the violence against conservatives and you give me... nothing.

You seem to have a pretty skewed vision of 'badgering'. The guy wasn't harrassing him. He was far more civil than many left-wing situations similiar to these.

Oh, I know how liberals can get. I also know that liberals aren't the only people that act like dicks. How much worse liberals are isn't the issue. If you think that the man was being civil, then I think you're off your rocker.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Let's look at every post kerebos has written to me in this thread. Note how every single one written contains no argument whatesoever, up until the post marked with an asterisk.

Talk about spamming a thread.

First, your wrong in your intentionally vague misinterpretations and you chose not to understand the author because of personal offense.
[...]
That post was laughable at best -- care to back up what he corellates is'int true? I'll wait for your response while I watch the rest of this film.

Note: At no point did I say that anything presented is untrue. Only misrepresented and poorly documented.

Actually, since I've gone through the first halfs of the film, I can easily tell that MechaGodzilla's post invests a fantasy movie then addresses it.
[...]
he must've pressed down random parts of the movie-clips bar, and just generalized from that. :/
[...]
No, I wont be quiet. You just generalized the film to dissent the idea of anything constructive coming from it. I'm in the middle of it, and this is good and I would encourage others to watch it.

The films actual content alone differ's so much from your vague and incorrect interpretations, I actually thought I should'nt be bothered even responding to you because of it.
[...]
what Mecha said about the film is completely opposite of the what the film really is.
[...]
Your generalizations had nothing to do with the student taking an activist point in how the school chose to persecute against Conservatives, which is made evident in film evidence and commentary; aswell as interviews with students and campus officials.

*

Okay, here's the point where he finally adressed my post with anything more than "you generalized and are wrong".

However, his complaint is that I only criticised one scene (the "Bucknell university is marxist" sequence), when i made it entirely clear that I was only criticising that one scene.

His first clear point, and it's incorrect.

A Liberal Organization on the same campus this video is about, testifies correctly to the activist accusations and verifies they are true. Ooo, Mecha missed that!
[...]
You also missed the part where the conservatives where gained death threats and were administrators cussed and insulted at them on a personal level.

People drawing Swastika's on their door -- yea, thats biased. Heh, no its not!

Second clear point. Same as the first.

Mechagodzilla: I will analyse this scene, and only this scene. No other scene.

Kerebros: I just noticed that you only analysed one scene!!!

No, the first segment did contain a lot of visible, written, and verbal evidence that is proven true in the documentary.

... and, since you just wrote about the first half: WATCH THE REST OF IT!

Hey, someone's catching on. Too bad he also went back to his old ways by saying "the first segment did contain a lot of visible, written, and verbal evidence that is proven true"
Again, without saying what, exactly that proof is.

Please note the earlier point though: at no point did I say that anything presented is untrue. Only that the filmaker's, facts, sources and interviews are far to vague, limited and/or biased to prove his point.
So Kerebos's continued assertion that everything is true is odd.

No, I'm not [wrong] -- because I actually bothered to watch the whole thing. Your wrong for not watching all of it, and generalizing for your agenda ... whatever it is thats capable of ignoring death threats, fights, assaults, and administrators abusing of power.

Not a personal swing at you, but how you even bothered to miss this is beyond me.

Third valid point. I apparently did not analyse the entire movie. Why is that?

Mechagodzilla: I will analyse this scene, and only this scene. No other scene.

Oh, right. Although I did not post about it for the above reason, I had nearly finished watching the movie at this point.

His arguments do get stronger, but again, he's only talking about two incidents, and using them as evidence of a nationwide problem.

Which it is -- but you would'nt understand that. Further, I dont think you really "watched" the movie. I'm still watching it.

Oh no! Kerebos is back to his old self entirely at this point.
Two incidents can be used as conclusive evidence of a nation-wide problem because?

Also, note that Kerebos' only 'partially' valid complaints thus far concern the fact that I had not completed the entire movie before judging one scene. Yet, as of this point, he had not seen the entire movie either.
***END OF KERERBOS POST ANALYSIS***

No I have [adressed mechagodzilla's points in a rational capacity], but your attempting to bring it all back on your opinion which you obviously hold in such high-reguard as opposed to anyone else's.

I mean, the moment I disagree, you get in my face about it :/

I think the above quotes and notes will make it clear that not only were the majority of kerebos's posts devoid of any attempt to address my points about bias and inadequate evidence.
The closest he came was on the occasions when he complained that my one-sequence analysis only analysed one scene.

If anyone can find a kerebos quote above that shows a single point to disprove me, I'd be glad.

But again, in a rational capacity I not only made you watch the movie, but I made you reconsolidate your gains, and again you've not been as extreme. Thats progress.

Actually, what made me watch the movie was the assertion that at the end, there would be evidence conclusively proving the Bucknell segment true. There was none. I don't consider lies to be very rational.
As for reconsolidating my gains, I have no clue what you're talking about.
Also, could someone please point out which part of any post of mine was extremist is any way?

Kinda like what you posted ... its not factual and I wont bother to explain why ... you really did'nt -- you just critiqued it as literally from how you implied it, conservative propaganda.

You did'nt actually say conservative propaganda, but we know you ment that early on; which is why I posted against you in hopes you'd give a second chance.

Please note the bold. This entire ordeal, I guess, is a direct result of Kerebos assuming something based on things he believed I had implied. I didn;t actually say it, but royal 'we' knew what I meant. Talk about Much Ado About Nothing, eh?

So, now that my first posts have been utterly ignored, what's next?
How about we pre-emptively blame me for ignoring all future points?

So, do you believe conservatives are not capable of being victims to campus wide dissent, death threats, and fight provacations?

No. However, I maintain that two incidents cannot be used as conclusive evidence of a nationwide problem.

Mecca Godzilla (hey look, I can edit to):

"You're wrong, that is utterly untrue! I will explain using my theorum of conservative propaganda! Waaahhh! Its from the other side -- I'll generalize about it and bother to watch only the first halfs because I cant stand to hear other opinions besides my own!

EDIT: Waaahh!! He made me watch the rest of the film to eat my words!"

First, about the edits, I was forced in many places to edit my posts, due to errors or points I decided to add. All edits took place in the span of one minute after each post. I would often find that Kerebos had already responded by then, though. I'm sorry if things don't line up as a result, but I had no way to make him post slower.

Second, here's this new conservative propaganda argument. Given the track record on my previous posts, I guess it would make some twisted sense that Kerebos would soon turn to criticising things he only imagined me saying.

Also, I guess somehow saying that Kerebos did not use facts, which he plainly did not, is somehow a belief that I have no respect for anyone's opinion. I guess it's the royal 'we' back in effect.

As for eating my words, at the very least you could say that my words contain some substance, so they'd make a nice meal.
But, as i hope this long-ass post will point out, Kerebos should make sure he has an actual argument before he posts.

Hey, thanks for editing that into your post Mecca Godzilla, but you did'nt ruin others from watching this film and coming to acknowledge a campus wide dissent effort against conservatives.

Touchay, I have been bested!
...except that you only imagined me saying that this wasn't happening. Given a chance to express my full opinion (which I wasn't able to, being forced to deal with this sea of irrelevance) you would have known that I found the second half of the film genuinely disturbing. It's a shame that these sorts of extremists exist.

Yet, still, two cases do not a country make. It's as simple as that. The entire horribly weak first segment at Bucknell shows that the filmaker was hard-pressed to find more than two case studies. So his conclusion that the entire country is beset by liberal university bias is flawed, due to inadequate evidence filtered through a too-strong bias of his own.

 

[Raziaar]

Yet, still, two cases do not a country make. It's as simple as that. The entire horribly weak first segment at Bucknell shows that the filmaker was hard-pressed to find more than two case studies. So his conclusion that the entire country is beset by liberal university bias is flawed, due to inadequate evidence filtered through a too-strong bias of his own.

Attack the film's portrayal of two cases... fine. But how can you say there's only two cases so the country really isn't affected by it? Do google searches, okay? I provided a couple links previously to get you started to show to you that this is indeed becoming a nationwide problem.