New Kansas law forces teachers to question evolution

[CptStern]

"The Kansas State Board of Education has once again thrown itself into the middle of the debate over evolution, adopting new science-curricula standards for the state's 445,000 public-school students that openly question Darwinian theory.

The new standards, adopted Tuesday in a 6-4 vote after hours of sometimes hostile debate, are seen as a victory for religious fundamentalists even though the regulations don't require that Bible teachings be presented as an alternative to the theories of Charles Darwin, who said species evolved from a common source. Scientists and other foes assert that evolution is more than a theory, and that the new standards will prove an impediment to education."


absolutely rediculous

next they'll introduce the Stork into human reproduction class


there is hope though:

'Intelligent-design' school board ousted in Pennsylvania

 

[Axyon]

I can see this as what starts the ball rolling. It's just not bloody right

 

[CptStern]

I dont get how parents can allow this ..had this been in the case with my school board, I'd immediately pull my son from school (if he was old enough to attend that is )

 

[$kelet0r]

but would the other parents
much as they might claim their enlightenment - probably not

 

[CptStern]

ya but there has to be people who are non religious or belong to another religion all together

 

[$kelet0r]

so?
tolerance is a fickle thing

 

[CptStern]

man parents freak out about the littlest thing when it comes to their children I dont see why more parents wouldnt be outraged that they're teaching mythology in science class

 

[$kelet0r]

many would support it though - the blind logic of all that has god(tm) attached to it is good
and parents often freak about the wrong things as you well know, focusing on stupid things while really important stuff goes over even the most intelligent heads
i swear being a parent ****s up your mind from what i've seen

 

[CptStern]

well my mind isnt ****ed yet

 

[$kelet0r]

what did Goering(?) say - Repeat a lie often enough and people will eventually believe it.
the constant pressure of the right is yielding results and just by doing so is guaranteed more success in the future
the resistance is at best half-hearted in the states limited to the bleating of some scientists

 

[CptStern]

it was Joseph Goebbels who said that (although I too thought it was goering, damn those two evil bastards had a knack for predicting the future):


“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

 

[VictimOfScience]

I heard this on the news the other day too. Good job PA!

Now on to KS. Someone needs to have a serious talk with these uneducated ID proponents. Can someone forward this page to them? I think they might have a little better understanding of their own idiocy.

To quote the article, "Evolution was and still is the only scientific theory for life that can explain how we get complexity from simplicity and diversity from uniformity."

 

[ríomhaire]

And they still don't f*cking well teach Pastafarianism!:angry:

 

[CptStern]

And they still don't f*cking well teach Pastafarianism!:angry:

is that like Rastafarism but with pasta instead of dreadlocks?

irie, mon

 

[Absinthe]

It's a shame that the universe granted knowledge and intelligence to a species yet to mature.

 

[ríomhaire]

is that like Rastafarism but with pasta instead of dreadlocks?

irie, mon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

 

[CptStern]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

ahh I was aware of the Flying Spaghetti Monster but didnt know they were called Pastafarians ...also didnt know it was created because of this very issue

 

[The Monkey]

I'm suprised that this ignorance and stupidity has continued into the 21st century. As far as I'm conserned, these people are equal to holocaust deniers, as they both deny the obvious truth and their ignorance can come to prove very dangerous when education future generations.

 

[dream431ca]

Like I said before...No matter how stupid it is..they get to challenge a scientific theory that has not been proven. But I still agree, it's a dumb idea. People will do anything to get famous.

 

[Solaris]

Like I said before...No matter how stupid it is..they get to challenge a scientific theory that has not been proven. But I still agree, it's a dumb idea. People will do anything to get famous.

Evolution is proven,is virtuallys ecound to 'I think therefor I am'.

 

[Absinthe]

Like I said before...No matter how stupid it is..they get to challenge a scientific theory that has not been proven. But I still agree, it's a dumb idea. People will do anything to get famous.

Only the insane and the stupid challenge evolution. It's as unproven as gravity is, but we don't criticise that, do we? If you want to challenge evolution, then you will be also be challenging one of the very fundamental tenets of modern biology, for the record.

Now, I don't mind speculation and debate around specifics. There are a lot of different takes on the evolutionary theory. But its main core principles are indisputable.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Only the insane and the stupid challenge evolution. It's as unproven as gravity is, but we don't criticise that, do we?

You are dead wrong here.

And I support teaching evolution.

 

[Solaris]

You are dead wrong here.

And I support teaching evolution.

Nope hes entirely correct.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Nope hes entirely correct.

No, he's not. It's got a LOT of holes and other things as far as proofs go. To say questioning it is insane is as closed minded as the religious fanatics that want to ban it.

What will you do if another completely different scientific theory than the current evolution one comes along with overwhelming evidence, much more than this one, and other things disprove this one? You'll probably accept it, but you'll definately look back on what you've said here and really regret it. It's the same mentality that kept us thinking Earth was the center of the universe for so long.

 

[Absinthe]

Your words ring hollow when you don't have anything to back them up, Rakurai.

The core principles of evolution are undeniable by the modern standards and practices of science. If you don't agree with this, then I'm sorry to say that you don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing fanatical about accepting a concept with an overwhelming amount of evidence to support it. It is, however, ignorant to treat it as "just" a theory and that there's some viable alternative when there is none. It becomes insulting when you then suggest Intelligent Design.

Tell you what, Rakurai. If we're going to teach alternate concepts that criticise evolution, then let's do the same for gravity and what we know of planetary movements within the solar system.

 

[Solaris]

-It's got a LOT of holes

Its a difficult conept. The underlying theory however is undeniable.

The fact that you have a tail bone to start off with.

 

[Absinthe]

-It's got a LOT of holes

Its a difficult conept. The underlying theory however is undeniable.

Quoted for emphasis through repitition. So many people like to chip away at the developing incomplete aspects and research of evolution, as if they've suddenly one-upped the theory. Such people fail to address the actual base of the theory. Why? I guess because they know they haven't got squat on it.

 

[baxter]

I'm suprised that this ignorance and stupidity has continued into the 21st century. As far as I'm conserned, these people are equal to holocaust deniers, as they both deny the obvious truth and their ignorance can come to prove very dangerous when education future generations.

I really agree with this statement, so much so I quoted it for emphasise.

 

[Apos]

No, he's not. It's got a LOT of holes and other things as far as proofs go. To say questioning it is insane is as closed minded as the religious fanatics that want to ban it.

The problem is, there's questioning it and questioning it. REAL scientists ALREADY question it: that's the modus operandi of science. Evolution is CONSTANTLY under the gun, under test, in a myriad of different ways. The reason it is considered to be so solid is because it holds up, day after day, with every piece of new evidence that turns up or that we work out.

The religious/ID mode of questioning it, however, is not scientific. It's motivated out of a dislike for the conclusions, and it rarely makes contact with the actual evidential argument, preferring instead to try and criticize knowledge of evolution for being incomplete and spotty when it comes to particular details of particular cases: something that evolution never really promised in the first place.

 

[willyd]

The problem is, there's questioning it and questioning it. REAL scientists ALREADY question it: that's the modus operandi of science. Evolution is CONSTANTLY under the gun, under test, in a myriad of different ways. The reason it is considered to be so solid is because it holds up, day after day, with every piece of new evidence that turns up or that we work out.

The religious/ID mode of questioning it, however, is not scientific. It's motivated out of a dislike for the conclusions, and it rarely makes contact with the actual evidential argument, preferring instead to try and criticize knowledge of evolution for being incomplete and spotty when it comes to particular details of particular cases: something that evolution never really promised in the first place.

I totally agree with your statement. Evolution is a questionable theory that can be taught in science class. In no way does creationism belong in science class, but im not saying it shouldn't be taught in school. I think it does belong in philosophy or a class like that, but there is no way it should be thrown into science class.

 

[dream431ca]

Creationism is religon..not science....we humans weren't made from scratch..we evolved...as far as we can tell anyway.

 

[ríomhaire]

Funny thing about the story that God created the world in 6 days
it was written by men, who did had it passed down from word of mouth for generations from their ancestors, who had no concept of the world, ot had ever heard of a planet, as far as they were concerened the world extended to the next village. And it was badly translated. The 2nd word in the Bible is a mistranslation. It should be 'a' and not 'the'.

 

[CptStern]

Funny thing about the story that God created the world in 6 days
it was written by men, who did had it passed down from word of mouth for generations from their ancestors, who had no concept of the world, ot had ever heard of a planet, as far as they were concerened the world extended to the next village. And it was badly translated. The 2nd word in the Bible is a mistranslation. It should be 'a' and not 'the'.

I'm confuselled ...so it should be "In a beginning" ...not "in the beginning" ...personally I think the real book was just a collection of recipes for some kick ass lentil soup but, as per usual fanatics, got ahold of the beta release and decided to do some tampering


"hey araham, watch me make all future christians kneel" <scibble scribble>

"ezekiel, dont forgot to put something in there about coveting thy neighbours wife ..I still havent forgiven Bethsheba for sleeping with Lot"

 

[Mith']

How did they know God created the world in 6 days anyway?
God: "Hey Adam, ever told ya about the time I created the world?"

Also, creationism was screwed from the beginning: God created Adam and Eve... Fine, but they go two SONS! How do we go from two men til 6+ billion people in 4000-6000 years (Isn't that the age of the earth?).

/me confused, so, please help me understand..

 

[Glirk Dient]

Also...from adam and eve how did we get the very different genes we have current day? Especially the skin pigments we have...if they were both white as I have seen in pictures and what not then where did the darker skin pigments come from?

 

[mortiz]

In our schools we have 3 years of R.E. (religious education) before we can drop it in our tenth year. It's in that lesson that all those arguments we put forward (although I can't say I really listened). Don't you have anything similar in the U.S.?

 

[$kelet0r]

God: "Hey Adam, ever told ya about the time I created the world?"

the first recorded e-penis alert lol

 

[OCybrManO]

Well, if they're presenting "plausible" alternate theories, they should have to present to the children the possibility that Jesus and his followers were just on drugs.

I'm sure that would go over well.

 

[AzzMan]

Wow I want some of the stuff THEY were smoking:O

 

[Adidajs]

when even the Catholics deny intelligent design, something is really wrong here.