New NVIDIA FX review using HL2 as a benchmark

[Stryyder]

The morons at Digit Life are benchmarking the new FX cards on Half Life 2 Beta and in the review they are.

On a positive result ATI cards still outperform the new FX cards with the new drivers by a range of 30 to 47 %

Here is a link I will edit if people find it offensive.

Chris_D Edit: Sorry, has images of the beta. Still nothing too new really regarding the fact that ATI are better performing than the nvidia. I wouldn't also call a benchmark of a pre alpha game a good benchmark either.

 

[AcneBrain]

That's just... funny

 

[CheapAssStrat]

Go ahead and edit it now, linking to sites with beta screenshots is not allowed.

 

[Stryyder]

Time limit to edit has expired. Sorry

 

[Chris D]

Jeez, it also links to hl2 .dem files for the benchmark they did...

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Doh eh :¬)

 

[The Mullinator]

heheh morons.

They should be reported.

 

[Chode]

Originally posted by The Mullinator
heheh morons.

They should be reported.

Hence the first cries of "Burn the witch"

This may seem like a flame, but I'm serious... this has turned into a witch-hunt.

I mean seriously, I totally understand the moderators not wanting linkage to it on their forums, but then saying the site should be reported is just been MORONIC.

It's a site attempting to give some people a rough estimation (I know how rough it is, it's barely a ball-park figure) of how their hardware is going to run Half Life 2.

Understand that Valve has made it really difficult for us to know how our hardware is going to take to the game, what with their "subtle" advertising for ATI. If we say that NVIDIA has 50% of the market share, then that means that 50% of gamers are worried at the moment that they're going to have to cough up some serious money just to play this game.

For goodness sake, just because the site has pictures of the beta doesn't mean that they stole the source code!!!!

Think! Then type.

 

[Cheetarah654]

foolz

 

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by Chode
Hence the first cries of "Burn the witch"

This may seem like a flame, but I'm serious... this has turned into a witch-hunt.

I mean seriously, I totally understand the moderators not wanting linkage to it on their forums, but then saying the site should be reported is just been MORONIC.

It's a site attempting to give some people a rough estimation (I know how rough it is, it's barely a ball-park figure) of how their hardware is going to run Half Life 2.

Understand that Valve has made it really difficult for us to know how our hardware is going to take to the game, what with their "subtle" advertising for ATI. If we say that NVIDIA has 50% of the market share, then that means that 50% of gamers are worried at the moment that they're going to have to cough up some serious money just to play this game.

For goodness sake, just because the site has pictures of the beta doesn't mean that they stole the source code!!!!

Think! Then type.

good points, but isn't there a benchmark from Valve for certain sites, companies to benchmark their hardware. Just not for the public yet. So it could be said, if that benchmark program exists, that they should have applied for it to test the hardware instead of using the compiled version of the stolen source code.

Just my two cents (hey first time I said that on here)

 

[Chris D]

That's a good point actually Chode. In my eyes the website isn't doing anything wrong, if you think about it; having the demo files there isn't even that much of a bad thing, but obviously we don't want to link to any illegal release HL2 pics which is why the link has been removed.

I was actually thinking about posting some of the benchmark results in here myself actually. Haven't got time now, but if someone else wants to do so, it's fine by me to post text of the results.

EDIT: That's an even better point Cheeterarah - thanks for the contribution

 

[DimitriPopov]

On the note of the beta and 'justification' for pictures only. I was walking through Wal-Mart on Tuesday past the computer games and I suddenly thought "I should be playing HL2 already , and for weeks" weird thought , but true.

 

[Subz]

can some1 please gimme the link, i wanna see the results please.

 

[phantomdesign]

Well, downloading the beta was illegal in the first place, so there is something morally wrong with the benchmark. I understand the source is more illegal than the beta (about 5000x), but it is still illegal as any warez.

It doesn't help gamers at all as far as I'm concerned (due to incompleteness)

 

[Xelnein]

..................mp3s............................?

 

[Asus]

digit life...imagine what could the URL be...google it if you want it that bad. ive visited that site before so it was in my history and popped up halfway through typing the url.

 

[The Mullinator]

Originally posted by Chode
Hence the first cries of "Burn the witch"

This may seem like a flame, but I'm serious... this has turned into a witch-hunt.

I mean seriously, I totally understand the moderators not wanting linkage to it on their forums, but then saying the site should be reported is just been MORONIC.

It's a site attempting to give some people a rough estimation (I know how rough it is, it's barely a ball-park figure) of how their hardware is going to run Half Life 2.

Understand that Valve has made it really difficult for us to know how our hardware is going to take to the game, what with their "subtle" advertising for ATI. If we say that NVIDIA has 50% of the market share, then that means that 50% of gamers are worried at the moment that they're going to have to cough up some serious money just to play this game.

For goodness sake, just because the site has pictures of the beta doesn't mean that they stole the source code!!!!

Think! Then type.

So its alright for a website to use illegal material in order to "help" us? I havn't downloaded the beta but from what I hear it is far from the best way of benchmarking the game, so the information that they release may be very useless. I understand that they are trying to help those people in their buying decisions but does that still make it alright for them to use illegal material in order to do it? Furthermore if you are going to be buying hardware specifically for HL2 then you would be smart to wait until you hear more about the release date. After all, once the actual release date comes around we will have more official and reliable benchmarks, and the price of hardware may have dropped.

By "report" I meant tell e-mail Valve about them, that doesn't mean that Valve will automatically try suing them or shuting down their website. It just lets Valve know what they have done and if Valve feels the need to do something (even something as small as e-mailing them a request to remove the benchmarks from the website) then let them.

 

[Incitatus]

Originally posted by Chode
Hence the first cries of "Burn the witch"

This may seem like a flame, but I'm serious... this has turned into a witch-hunt.

I mean seriously, I totally understand the moderators not wanting linkage to it on their forums, but then saying the site should be reported is just been MORONIC.

It's a site attempting to give some people a rough estimation (I know how rough it is, it's barely a ball-park figure) of how their hardware is going to run Half Life 2.

Understand that Valve has made it really difficult for us to know how our hardware is going to take to the game, what with their "subtle" advertising for ATI. If we say that NVIDIA has 50% of the market share, then that means that 50% of gamers are worried at the moment that they're going to have to cough up some serious money just to play this game.

For goodness sake, just because the site has pictures of the beta doesn't mean that they stole the source code!!!!

Think! Then type.

ooh look! an intelligent post.

I agree completely

:afro:

 

[serp]

So its alright for a website to use illegal material in order to "help" us?

The site is based in russia I think, as is xbitlabs.

I havn't downloaded the beta but from what I hear it is far from the best way of benchmarking the game, so the information that they release may be very useless.

Well actually it is a fact that they are more informed as a buyer than you right now. They have researched the game, you know nothing except what valve released months ago. Keep in mind valve and Ati have a bundling deal. I'd say these results are more reliable than what valve spoon-fed us.

Furthermore if you are going to be buying hardware specifically for HL2 then you would be smart to wait until you hear more about the release date.

****ing hell, this was a review of nvidia's and ati's cards, not only of half-life 2. Maybe some people don't want to wait? HL2 could come out this christmas, it could also come out halfway through next year...!?!!!

After all, once the actual release date comes around we will have more official and reliable benchmarks, and the price of hardware may have dropped.

The price of hardware is always dropping.


Basically stop try to guilt-trip people for wanting benchmarks of the game even if illegal; some people want to buy a computer NOW (eg. me) This info is very useful to them.

 

[phantomdesign]

Well, maybe you guys should start shoplifting. It is the same thing.

 

[The Mullinator]

serp, all I meant to say in this thread was that Valve should know the website is using the illegal "beta". If you want to use the information on that site then go ahead. I for one wouldn't put much faith into those benchmarks, but then again thats just me.

 

[Asus]

They have researched the game, you know nothing except what valve released months ago. Keep in mind valve and Ati have a bundling deal. I'd say these results are more reliable than what valve spoon-fed us.

Um they did a normal benchmark just like review sites do. They listed the hardware/OS/drivers...everything was legit. The review sites even covered it and went over it for you again! in their own words.
The benchmarks this site did are almost as bad as believing benchmarks on the D3 alpha. Actually the D3 alpha didnt have all those "errors". I would suspect neither D3alpha or HL2"beta" are optimized let alone have any optimized code paths for gfx cards.

 

[Vanthem]

Sic 'em, Asus.

 

[theGreenBunny]

Let's do a comparison. What if a site about cars stole an early prototype of a new jaguar (or whatever, insert brand here), the reviewer tests what tires the car can drive faster on, and uploads the results.

Now he may have been very nice for telling jaguar fans what tires they should get, but that doesn't take away the fact it was a) stolen, and b) an early prototype.
So the reviewer has technically comitted a crime, and posted a review with information that will most likely be nowhere near the actual performance when the car is finished.

Now tell me, why is this a good thing?

 

[Incitatus]

Originally posted by theGreenBunny
Let's do a comparison. What if a site about cars stole an early prototype of a new jaguar (or whatever, insert brand here), the reviewer tests what tires the car can drive faster on, and uploads the results.

Now he may have been very nice for telling jaguar fans what tires they should get, but that doesn't take away the fact it was a) stolen, and b) an early prototype.
So the reviewer has technically comitted a crime, and posted a review with information that will most likely be nowhere near the actual performance when the car is finished.

Now tell me, why is this a good thing?

Nice try but unfortunately wrong it should go like this.

What if a site about cars FOUND a prototype of the new jaguar in a PUBLIC PLACE, the reviewer tests the car but doen't make any DEFINITE STATEMENTS about the performance, he just posts his EXPERIENCES. He does NOT state this is the performance of the final product.

Is this a crime? Anyone would have a hard time proving this, perhaps if they could prove that the reviewer in any way directly profited by the review, since otherwise it does in no way fall under the definition of 'stealing'. I very much doubt what digit life did is a crime, though I'm not a lawyer and I'm sure the people is who claims it was criminal aren't either.

Hmm interesting legal problem (not the case of the car, only the hl2 beta, since downloading the beta is taking it from a public place, the internet, without removing it from the possesion of the owner.)

:afro:

EDIT: Come to think of it downloading the beta isn't illegal at all, only sharing it is. To go even futher the policy of this forum of not discussing the beta is illegal because it represses freedom of speech, because talking about the beta isn't illegal.

Some people around here need to read up on basic law.

 

[azz0r]

Can someone pm me the link to the benchmark, I wanna see how it did.

 

[theGreenBunny]

True Incitatus, I worded it a bit more strongly to prove my point . Also, I hadn't read the review, my point wasn't as much against the reviewer as it was against the people saying this was a good thing to do for a site.

 

[Ahnteis]

Useless since the final shaders/rendering engine isn't in the stolen dev build.

They're just trying to get a few more hits on their site.

 

[Vanthem]

To go even futher the policy of this forum of not discussing the beta is illegal because it represses freedom of speech, because talking about the beta isn't illegal.

Some people around here need to read up on basic law.

Not to be too glib, but you'd be one of them, Incitatus. Freedom of speech isn't a law in a message board. Forums are bound by certain terms of agreement and whatever rules the owner decides. They could ban every third word if they wanted and it'd be wholly legal in every respect.

 

[Asus]

Originally posted by theGreenBunny
True Incitatus, I worded it a bit more strongly to prove my point . Also, I hadn't read the review, my point wasn't as much against the reviewer as it was against the people saying this was a good thing to do for a site.

Actually yours is better
HL2"beta" is known and if they benchmarked with that then it isnt just some car found. It is the stolen HL2"beta"...

 

[Incitatus]

Originally posted by Vanthem
Not to be too glib, but you'd be one of them, Incitatus. Freedom of speech isn't a law in a message board. Forums are bound by certain terms of agreement and whatever rules the owner decides. They could ban every third word if they wanted and it'd be wholly legal in every respect.

I was anticipating this but that's an over simplification, this is the dilemma with the semi private/semi public nature of the internet. I don't think there is any statutory law which anwers it.

Also private organisations aren't aloud to set rules for there members that break the constitution, of course this only concerns western democracies.

But since the freedom of speech is a right, the rule might be made legal by adding to the user agreement that 'by joining this forum you wave the right to freedom of speech'.

"Freedom of speech isn't a law in a message board"

this is somewhat ironic, if you don't mind me saying so. Historically forums (in various forms, not necessarily online ) were a means of expressing ones views in a society were the freedom of speech was not garanteed. For you, who I asume lives in a society were freedom of speech is something that has been taken for granted for a long time, now to say the above is quite 'funny'.

:afro:

 

[shuurajou]

Does that mean that child pornography is okay in message boards too? Since there's a law against that, as there is a law for freedom of speach.

 

[jonbob]

Also private organisations aren't allowed to set rules for their members that break the constitution

Even I as a Briton know that the US consititution (or at least the part that concerns freedom of speech) only applies to public places. This is not a public place ergo the constitution does not apply.

By your reasoning an editor for the New York Times couldn't decline to publish an article I wrote which declared that Bush was a doo-doo head.

 

[Vanthem]

In regard to Inc's last post: You're arguing semantics, man and the logic you're basing the comments off of is flawed. What I said was plain fact, not over simplifying it, granted it is very pared down. Heh. I've got to get some sleep before work, but maybe I'll write up a more detailed response tomorrow. It's a fun discussion.

 

[Milo]

ghey

 

[theGreenBunny]

@Incitatus,

Originally posted by Milo
ghey

Ooh, a free example. If freedom of speech would truly exist on a forum, admins wouldn't be allowed to 'censor' or ban for this kind of language and trolling. So according to you, every forum admin and moderator is a 'nazi'
(Probably not a very good example. But hey, I can't complain, it was free)

 

[Davis]

People always assume the laws in the USA apply to all countrys.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

I assume other countries laws apply here. I always get in trouble for that.. we should have public stoning here too.

-lt

p.s. yes, clearly i'm bored and need a life, but if i find it funny, isn't that all that really matters?

 

[Ridic]

go into a church, in any country and scream "Jesus is a cock sucker" (or whatever god you want) and then you see what happens.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Ridic, they might get mad. But that's about it. They won't hit me.

Also, I mean, it's a church. So like, it's gotta be christian. So if i go in there and am like "buddha is a cock-jocky", like most of those stupid parishoners would be like "who is buddha?". so i'm going to do what you say. i've lost all my caps..

-lt