Noob gun award of the year goes to...

[Gunner]

The .357 Magnum! Congratulations! :thumbs:

 

[operative x]

yeah, being killed by a .357 magum bullet to the chest is soooo noobish... :dozey:

 

[clarky003]

except everyone does it when its on a map., so everyone is T3h WiN !!,

 

[bliink]

Its all part of the fun..
I love hearing that handcannon going off in the distance and running away in fear or frantic panic to grab some shield off the ground in preperation to defend myself against it..

 

[DrunkPanda]

lol you are SORELY mistaken. magnum requires skill to use. especially when the enemy is starfing around with sprint and it's laggy as hell so one second he is in front of you and next second he is 236 miles away. rocket launcher is by far the newbest gun in the history of the world. you don't even haev to aim at someone to kill em. just aim within a 10 meter radius and you will kill them. that is super noobish

 

[shaggy2039]

lol you are SORELY mistaken. magnum requires skill to use. especially when the enemy is starfing around with sprint and it's laggy as hell so one second he is in front of you and next second he is 236 miles away. rocket launcher is by far the newbest gun in the history of the world. you don't even haev to aim at someone to kill em. just aim within a 10 meter radius and you will kill them. that is super noobish

yeah, for the lucky bastard who actually gets his hands on a rocket launcher...

the magnum is by far and away the biggest noob gun...

 

[Gunner]

lol you are SORELY mistaken. magnum requires skill to use. especially when the enemy is starfing around with sprint and it's laggy as hell so one second he is in front of you and next second he is 236 miles away. rocket launcher is by far the newbest gun in the history of the world. you don't even haev to aim at someone to kill em. just aim within a 10 meter radius and you will kill them. that is super noobish

Skill? lmao

Nope, the shotgun takes skill, the manipulator takes skill, the magnum... is noobish! Anyone can line up a shot with it thanks to that bigass crosshair. If they put the HL1 magnum crosshair, then it will take skill.

 

[Diablo2k]

lol you are SORELY mistaken. magnum requires skill to use. especially when the enemy is starfing around with sprint and it's laggy as hell so one second he is in front of you and next second he is 236 miles away. rocket launcher is by far the newbest gun in the history of the world. you don't even haev to aim at someone to kill em. just aim within a 10 meter radius and you will kill them. that is super noobish

Guess you like to use it :frog: cause trust me it takes no skill at all.

 

[Captain M4d]

Any gun can be a n00b gun in different perspectives.

 

[Bongfarmer]

how can the reguler pistol be a noob gun?

 

[Flyingdebris]

i think we may be trying a little too hard in regards to looking for noob guns

allow me to illustrate

mp7, aside from moderately dangerous primary fire, it can spam out 3 high damage grenades like nobody's business

The Combine Assault rifle, the bouncing orb thingy kills in one shot, no matter how much health someone has, aside from this the gun deals a good deal of damage

The crossbow, does more damage than the .357 and has a scope

rocket launcher, unless the rocketees are fully topped off on 200 suit power, they is gonna die

manipulator, toileted. enough said

Pistol, does more damage than the mp7 per shot, more accurate, and you have a crapload of ammo for it starting off.

The only real underpowered weapons are the shotgun and the grenades. The shotgun because it has a paltry 6 shots which deal a fraction of the magnum's damage each. and the grenade because unless you are flushing someone out of a hiding place, they are easy as hell to avoid with that little red light and are incapable of killing a healthy player who lacks armor

so quickly calling out "noob gun" is fairly dumb thing to do considering just how many super weapons there are. This is not CS, this is DM, you come back 1 second later to wreak more havoc. Loosen up. The magnum is just hl2's railgun equivalent

 

[Diablo2k]

i think we may be trying a little too hard in regards to looking for noob guns

allow me to illustrate

mp7, aside from moderately dangerous primary fire, it can spam out 3 high damage grenades like nobody's business

The Combine Assault rifle, the bouncing orb thingy kills in one shot, no matter how much health someone has, aside from this the gun deals a good deal of damage

The crossbow, does more damage than the .357 and has a scope

rocket launcher, unless the rocketees are fully topped off on 200 suit power, they is gonna die

manipulator, toileted. enough said

Pistol, does more damage than the mp7 per shot, more accurate, and you have a crapload of ammo for it starting off.

The only real underpowered weapons are the shotgun and the grenades. The shotgun because it has a paltry 6 shots which deal a fraction of the magnum's damage each. and the grenade because unless you are flushing someone out of a hiding place, they are easy as hell to avoid with that little red light and are incapable of killing a healthy player who lacks armor

So its obvious the game needs balance.

Think a good start would be to spawn with only a crowbar/shockstick and pistol.

 

[clarky003]

i find the whole lot well balanced... there weapons of rapid death, that would make any squirrel or hardened macho man cry... what do you expect

 

[shaggy2039]

i think we may be trying a little too hard in regards to looking for noob guns

allow me to illustrate

mp7, aside from moderately dangerous primary fire, it can spam out 3 high damage grenades like nobody's business

The Combine Assault rifle, the bouncing orb thingy kills in one shot, no matter how much health someone has, aside from this the gun deals a good deal of damage

The crossbow, does more damage than the .357 and has a scope

rocket launcher, unless the rocketees are fully topped off on 200 suit power, they is gonna die

manipulator, toileted. enough said

Pistol, does more damage than the mp7 per shot, more accurate, and you have a crapload of ammo for it starting off.

The only real underpowered weapons are the shotgun and the grenades. The shotgun because it has a paltry 6 shots which deal a fraction of the magnum's damage each. and the grenade because unless you are flushing someone out of a hiding place, they are easy as hell to avoid with that little red light and are incapable of killing a healthy player who lacks armor

so quickly calling out "noob gun" is fairly dumb thing to do considering just how many super weapons there are. This is not CS, this is DM, you come back 1 second later to wreak more havoc. Loosen up. The magnum is just hl2's railgun equivalent

here's my take on what you just said, proving still that the magnum is still the noob gun of choice:

the mp7 - is a fair weapon, the grenade launcher is great, and grenades are not in over abundance in the game so it's legit IMHO...

combine assault rifle - see above...

the crossbow - even though it's one shot kills, it's still not noobish because of it's long reload time...

rocket launcher - again, similar to the crossbow in my opinion, and certainly not in mass numbers in the game...they're a bitch to find...

manipulator - granted a toilet could kill you, but it takes skill to work that bad boy...it's not an overpowered weapon due to the fact that you have to find ammo (sinks, radiators, etc.) and most things won't kill you with one shot that you just find lying around...

pistol - ummm...it's just a pistol...never use it unless I'm desperate...


so, hence, the magnum is the noob gun of choice...it combines the most powerful aspects of the above mentioned weapons into a 6 round one shot kill pistol...that's a little ridiculous...

 

[Edcrab]

I'm fairly laggy so I'm not too good with any weapon other than the automatics... I can get plenty of kills with other things, but usually only when I get the drop on a player and/or they're running in a nice straight line.

How anyone can call the RPG overpowered but now the Magnum is beyond me The RPG isn't an instant-hit uber cannon or anything, and the laser site is incredibly obvious. I die to it a lot, but a fair few times I've just dodged behind a wall/car fast enough.

Be neat if you could shoot the rockets out of the sky or grab them with the gravity gun... just not particularily fair

 

[benpatient]

a good start would be having 1-way forcefields in the spawning area where you couldn't get shot by a toilet from some stupid spawn camper...

it would also be nice if you didn't spawn in a corner of a large room, facing the corner (and not the room), so that you could see the person before they throw a toilet at you as you spawn, at least.

that made be stop playing last night, the incessant and rediculously easy spawn-camping that happens, even if you aren't trying to do it.

don't get me wrong, i like this kind of thing in DoD on the Normandy beach map (what's it called again?), but in deathmatch, especially FFA deathmatch, it just makes it not fun.

and when you factor in any lag, it makes you want to throw your toilet straight up and watch it fall on your face.

 

[DrunkPanda]

Guess you like to use it :frog: cause trust me it takes no skill at all.

i DO like to use it. but that's not wwhy i said it wasn't a noob gun (i like using launcher as well). i say magnum is not nooob because it's easy to kill someone who has a magnum

 

[SubKamran]

lol you are SORELY mistaken. magnum requires skill to use. especially when the enemy is starfing around with sprint and it's laggy as hell so one second he is in front of you and next second he is 236 miles away. rocket launcher is by far the newbest gun in the history of the world. you don't even haev to aim at someone to kill em. just aim within a 10 meter radius and you will kill them. that is super noobish

True, my friends were playing and they sucked with it.

 

[operative x]

I can kill anyone with a magnum, just use the manipulator, chuck a filing cabinet and voila! The magnum definatly takes skill though.

 

[Kyorisu]

The guns themselves may not feel balanced. However where they are placed is. People flock to these guns spawn locations in herds. It's easy enough to get a few in the back while they desperatley try to grab that rocket launcher.

 

[HadouKen24]

Anyone can get a couple kills with a magnum just by sheer luck.

It takes a modicum of skill to use it halfway decently, though. Against a noob, someone with an SMG will win the majority of the time if you get close enough to circle strafe around him with sprint. Against a pulse rifle, a noob doesn't have much of a chance.

The crossbow takes even more skill, though. I admire people who can get kills with it regularly. Crossbow mastery is something I aspire to.

 

[Fury16]

YAY yet more ppl complaining about guns being "too powerful"...reminds me of the every other thread in the cs:s forum about snipers. its in the game for a reason...dont like it, dont use it...cant handle it, leave..very simple. everything has a counter, if your dieing alot from it then your doing somthing wrong.

i usually find it quite easy to kill the ppl that run in striat lines with it...just a little thing that might help you cope

 

[HadouKen24]

Running in straight lines, lol. Don't do that in deathmatch.

And don't just stand out in the open, either. I'll getcha if you do.

 

[Messermeier]

i'm not a very good player, but i find the magnum quite easy to use .. 3+ kills everytime i pick it up.

the rocket launcher is .. really bad. the one who gets to it first usually scores big time, whilst the others have almost no chance to kill him. they either die trying again and again, or they resign and start camping the ground floor.

i tried that today, ran up to the launcher after a mapchange and started blasting away. 50..fifty kills in a row. no kidding. i couldn't believe how easy it was. there was nothing the others could do. after a while i got bored and left, wondering whose stupid idea it was to place that launcher up there :x

 

[HadouKen24]

That's why the magnum is where it is. You probably weren't playing against anyone halfway decent. A good file cabinet launch or, better yet, a well placed 357 bullet, will shut a rocket camper down pretty quick.

i'm not a very good player, but i find the magnum quite easy to use .. 3+ kills everytime i pick it up.

Remember, almost everyone else is a noob,too, in some respect. People haven't gotten the hang of blocking bullets with objects yet. In a couple weeks, the ability to do that kind of thing without skill is going to be severely diminished.

 

[Jackathan]

On overwatch, the best way to take out a rocketer is to fling an explosive barrel or two p at him. The rocket campers always campt the rocket, so you'll know where they are. .357 can definitely take out a rocketer though. I think they should just put the rocket where everyone can cover it easily, and make it ver tough to get, and then to get to a place where you can actually use it.

 

[Messermeier]

A good file cabinet launch or, better yet, a well placed 357 bullet, will shut a rocket camper down pretty quick.

Remember, almost everyone else is a noob,too, in some respect. People haven't gotten the hang of blocking bullets with objects yet. In a couple weeks, the ability to do that kind of thing without skill is going to be severely diminished.

theres no way to hit the launcherguy with an object if he knows where to stand. theres a very safe spot, you only pop out for a second, hit mouse1, get a kill, and take cover again. rockets can't be blocked, either

it might be possible to take him down with a magnum bullet, but i never saw that happen :|


however, it is not the rocket launcher that is evil, it is just the place they put it. i hope future maps will be balanced better.

 

[Pentawolf]

yes, and lets not forget how that speacila room with the fan can kill anyone who enters if someone times it right *evil grin of evilness*

 

[HadouKen24]

it might be possible to take him down with a magnum bullet, but i never saw that happen

Mebbe no one tried. That's what I do every time a rocket camper starts raining explosive death on my head--sprint straight for the magnum. It's tough to take the rocket camper down sometimes, and you usually die too, but it can be done.

 

[Asus]

I don't find the magnum too 'n00bish'. If you run strait at them down a hall, yes you will die. If you strafe side to side in an open room you can avoid their shots pretty easy. Then taking them down is also very easy. Actually taking down anyone with a gun can be easy if you know how to use those file cabnets or registers.

I'm one of those guys who always has a magnum but never uses it until you surpise me around a corner and I'm out of ammo with my shotgun or crossbow. Then I'll use it on ya.

I think crossbow if my favorite. I like the challenge of the aiming ahead of the target with a chance of missing. The one hit kill might be cheap but I've died too often from missing or reloading only to find them pumping me with a shotgun or file cabnet.

 

[HadouKen24]

I love the crossbow, too. I die if I use it in a close-up firefight, though. At a distance, I actually get more hits in.

 

[Acert93]

I think the Magnum is fine. It has a slow rate of fire, is has a very slow reload, you only get 12 rounds of ammo, and it is not the easiest thing to aim (watched my brother play... he is ok, but his aim is not good enough to hit guys more than 50% of the time). The Magnum is lethal in skilled hands, but no more so than the Manipulator, Combine Rifle, RPG, or Shotgun. They all have strengths and weaknesses.

Like others have stated, if you straif and stop running down the middle of halls the magnum stops being a big problem. The key is to adjust, not complain

The Manipulator is extremely powerful. Tables, sinks, filing cabnits, and big tables can all EASILY kill. Besides the RPG and grenades, this is the only weapon where you can kill 3 guys at once. And with the Manipulator you can do it OFTEN. It is way more useful and powerful than a Magnum. Once you get ammo you have it until you lose it. I like going down hallways with a radiator--shoot, kill, pickup, rinse, repeat. Also, the big tables are great protection. The manipulator really is a great tool... fine to start off with because it is not a noob bomb, takes some talent, but gives everyone a chance to defend themselves in a basic way--which can be lethal of attackers are lazy.

The machine gun is ok--aim for the head. Strafe if at range, in hallways crouch. Find those grenades and clear groups of guys meleeing with manipulators.

The Combine machine gun has insta kill on secondard fire, but a small delay. The bounce makes up for the delay. And the primary fire is insane. Maybe not a one shot kill, but if you are doing a good job of moving where you have cover and not walking down hallways, wow, this gun rules. I like the Magnum, but I would not complain having this gun against a Mag any day.

Shotgun is great--solid shots are almost always one shot kills. Not sure about 100health/200suit, but I know I have taken 100% health guys out with one shot with the shotgun. Again, headshots rule, and if you are not good at those get close and hit the chest. The shotgun is not underpowered... takes practice, but defeinately lethal. This is my gun of choice on Lockdown. LOTS of ammo and extemely dangerous in halls and open spaces.

The rocketlauncher is also well balanced because it is guided. You have to remain in the open until it hits, thus leaving you vulnerable. Yes it is powerful, but also has a weakness. Traditional DM always has some powerful weapons that are contested for... I have found that you can get a lot of kills killing those going for the rocket. They run with such abandon to get it that it makes them easy kills.

Crossbow is one of the 2 I think is underpowered. Long reload, limited ammo, and worse of all it is slow which makes the scope useless. It is ok up close, but for range--if the guys are not total noobs--wont stand around long enough to get sniped. I am sure people will master this, but this is the hardest gun to use.

Grenades underpowered. Two suggestions: Either make them more powerful OR allow you to hit "G" to throw them with your gun still up. This way they are great for flushing.

Overall ALL the weapons are great. The Magnum is not a noob weapon, at least not any more than the Manipulator, Combine Rifle, and RPG. All 4 weapons can mean instant death. EACH has a drawback, ignoring the fact the Mag is slow, has a long reload, and only 12 rounds of ammo is like ignoring the fact the manipulator has to find ammo or that the combine rifle reloads slowly, shoots too quickly, and the orbs are hard to find.

If in 4 weeks it is still a problem MAYBE they should change it. But let everyone learn the maps and weapons first. And in 4 weeks, well, as much as I like HL2DM I am partial to TEAM games, so until there are some conquest type maps, well, I it will lose its fun quickly for me.

 

[Hazar]

Like I said before, I think the magnum should only kill you in 1 hit if it's a headshot.

I also find the gravity gun an overused weapon. I've killed many many people by sprint strafing to the side right before they shoot something at you and then hitting 'em in the head with something while they're trying to get something else to pick up. It can be very good, but like all weapons, you have to be skilled to use it effectively.

 

[fantasiser]

not to be cocky but ive turned out pretty good at HL2DM, and i can use most weapons fairly effectively, including the magnum. But i can take most people down with any weapon, and the magnum is not my no.1 choice, the secondary fire combine rifle or mp7 grenades or shotgun are pretty easy to kill with as well, and using sprint and an mp7 magnum players can be taken out easy

 

[cjborton]

Anyone here consider taking advantage of the pistol's "unique secondary-fire feature" is cheating? I did it a couple times today and some asshole was getting his panties in a bunch over it. I consider it part of the game, so I use it. Thoughts?

 

[Pentawolf]

its not a feature, its a bug. Most people dont like it when you utilize bugs... even if they can do it just as easily :angel:

 

[cjborton]

Is anyone SURE it is a bug? Maybe it is supposed to be in there...maybe not.

 

[jimbones]

argh I'm stupid.
ignore this.

 

[jimbones]

rocket launcher, unless the rocketees are fully topped off on 200 suit power, they is gonna die

haha that so sounds like legalese..

the following parties hereafter referred to rocketer and rocketee agree on the following terms:
give and ye shall be barrel'ed

 

[Thorney]

I dont think any of the guns are noob, compared to some games but the magnum is by far the easiest gun to kill with, yes it takes skill but much less skill than any other weapon.

anyway the noobness is balanced by th eequally noob acts of gravity gun throwing burning barrels and the grenade launcher on the smg both very easy splash damage weapons.

Its all fair I think