Nuclear Dawn - CGW Scans

[Mechagodzilla]

BTW, if this whole "OMG NUCLEAR DAWN IS PLANTING PR SPIES LOL" thing becomes some sort of witch hunt for anybody looking forward to Nuclear Dawn, I think the members of this forum are in need of a serious reality check. Sometimes mods have fans, y'know? Maybe you've heard of them. They're the people who are looking forward to a game cause they think it looks cool.

You can thank ND for removing people's faith in you, because that's exactly the problem they've created.
If they hadn't decided that their real fans were somehow inadequate, there wouldn't be this mess.

I used to be a big fan early on, but beneath the concept art the actual team has acted like a gaping asshole at every turn. I just couldn't support them anymore.

Maybe we've all been naive for years but the point is that, up until very recently, mods didn't lie to us because they were us.
I don't give a shit about their commercialism. Lots of excellent mods have pulled off slick, professional media presentations (i.e. NeoTokyo).
It's the open malice they have towards their own community that makes me sick. They've exploited nearly a decade of trust.
People used to think all mod fans were genuine, that the media wasn't posed in Garrymod and photoshopped to look more exciting.
Nuclear Dawn abused that history of trust to make profit for themselves.

As such, Nuclear Dawn (along with its lesser version, Incoming: Source) has nearly killed my faith in the mod community.
But I'm keeping my hope that maybe, with enough pressure, they'll stop lying.
Or at least we can will convince others not to emulate them.
Likewise, I refuse to lie for any mod project I'm associated with.
I think there's a good sign in the fact that none of the ones I'm in would allow me to do so, even if I tried.

 

[Pajari]

Disagree, most average gaming fans find out about ANY new games by the gaming magazines/websites/E3 etc. They are just another tool to be used in promoting the work you are doing. Everyone 'in' the modding scene knows the places to look. However there are quadzillions (number intentionally exagerated) of gaming fans that don't know there is a modding scene let alone what mods are out there or where to look for them.

Counter-Strike introduced many many people to modding. How did most people find out about CS? From a gaming site/magazine. They (CS Staff) may not have had to seek out the publicity but it was given to them, and the entire modding scene benefited from it.

PR is not a necessary part of modding, but it certainly has a place.

Crispy posted a detailed tutorial (labeled "advanced" ) on the Mod DB a few months ago. I read it and it was alright, but I thought that I could improve on it. Here's a sneak peek:

Pajari's MOD PR Tutorial

There are three steps to getting your mod out there and noticed, and instantly attracting a large and dedicated fanbase. The Internet is a wonderfully fluid system and if you show promise, you can find an excellent community at your behest in no time.

1: Don't be a pompous ass or hide behind official titles and job positions.

2: Post news at the pace of your mod's progress, and leave no one in the dark. Release early and often.

3: Make progress and show people you're for real.

I hope you enjoyed the tutorial.

My point is that anyone can do PR and it's an extremely peripheral concern, especially for mods. How much PR did Garry do? He posted a single thread on the SteamPowered forums with a download link. And his mod's gone nowhere.

 

[Asknoone]

Crispy posted a detailed tutorial (labeled "advanced" ) on the Mod DB a few months ago. I read it and it was alright, but I thought that I could improve on it. Here's a sneak peek:

Pajari's MOD PR Tutorial

There are three steps to getting your mod out there and noticed, and instantly attracting a large and dedicated fanbase. The Internet is a wonderfully fluid system and if you show promise, you can find an excellent community at your behest in no time.

1: Don't be a pompous ass or hide behind official titles and job positions.

2: Post news at the pace of your mod's progress, and leave no one in the dark. Release early and often.

3: Make progress and show people you're for real.

I hope you enjoyed the tutorial.

My point is that anyone can do PR and it's an extremely peripheral concern, especially for mods. How much PR did Garry do? He posted a single thread on the SteamPowered forums with a download link. And his mod's gone nowhere.

4: It doesn't make you better than everyone else. You are not a walking dictionary of cool.

 

[sullview]

What Mechagodzilla said above

I agree that the commercialism some mods are exhibitng lately is pretty strange. I've always found the mod community's major asset is that it's a community of indie, amateur developers/hobbyists, and is not burdened with the expectations and red tape of the real video-game industry. Wehn mods start trying to become these commercial games (free ones, sometimes) it's awesome and all, but it detracts from what makes modding special. That said, I still think there are plenty of great impending mods like Iron Grip, NeoTokyo, and Hull-Breach, but if what yous ay is true and I lost credibility with my comments regarding Nuclear Dawn solely because of the antics of their PR department, then I feel more than a little resentment for the folks at ND.

Worse, I'm currently trying to get a project of my own off of the ground, and as much as I would like to get publicity some time in the future, I'd hate tot hink people are taking that publicity with a grain of salt because of recent events. The same is true of any "real" mod in development right now, and I hope people can draw a dsitinction between the two.

 

[smokeythebear]

So he admited everything from the screens was pretty much fake...Then he says everything that should have been in those screens is up and running...so how a bout posting some of these screens of what is now apperantly implemented instead of just telling people it is when it is clear your already known for being a fraud so you should either admit your full of **** or prove your not.

If I get no response im assuming ND is as good a mod as DNF is a game.

congrats on the magazine article

 

[Zunni]

Crispy posted a detailed tutorial (labeled "advanced" ) on the Mod DB a few months ago. I read it and it was alright, but I thought that I could improve on it. Here's a sneak peek:

Pajari's MOD PR Tutorial

There are three steps to getting your mod out there and noticed, and instantly attracting a large and dedicated fanbase. The Internet is a wonderfully fluid system and if you show promise, you can find an excellent community at your behest in no time.

1: Don't be a pompous ass or hide behind official titles and job positions.

2: Post news at the pace of your mod's progress, and leave no one in the dark. Release early and often.

3: Make progress and show people you're for real.

I hope you enjoyed the tutorial.

My point is that anyone can do PR and it's an extremely peripheral concern, especially for mods. How much PR did Garry do? He posted a single thread on the SteamPowered forums with a download link. And his mod's gone nowhere.

This better not be sarcasm on the internet.. We take things very seriously around here....

 

[Ennui]

so how a bout posting some of these screens of what is now apperantly implemented instead of just telling people it is when it is clear your already known for being a fraud so you should either admit your full of **** or prove your not.

Here's your response, buddy. Head to the Nuclear Dawn forums, go to General Discussion, and the click the thread "Vaporware? I don't think so." and look at the leaked screens I discovered.

That goes to all of you.

edit: scratch that for the time being; it seems i pulled a whole avalanche of shit onto my head by leaking said screenshots. if they ever come back up, i'll let you know.

 

[^Ben]

Yeah you just proved what he said.

THE SCREENSHOTS WHERE FAKED AND THEY ARE NOT THAT FAR ALONG IN DEVELOPMENT - HENCE THEY LIED.

Oh and it's good to know that your acting as a go between for crispy now. He should of just posted these himself instead of pulling the "oh look at what 1 of our moderators found kek!"

 

[Pax]

I agree that the commercialism some mods are exhibitng lately is pretty strange. I've always found the mod community's major asset is that it's a community of indie, amateur developers/hobbyists, and is not burdened with the expectations and red tape of the real video-game industry. Wehn mods start trying to become these commercial games (free ones, sometimes) it's awesome and all, but it detracts from what makes modding special. That said, I still think there are plenty of great impending mods like Iron Grip, NeoTokyo, and Hull-Breach, but if what yous ay is true and I lost credibility with my comments regarding Nuclear Dawn solely because of the antics of their PR department, then I feel more than a little resentment for the folks at ND.

Worse, I'm currently trying to get a project of my own off of the ground, and as much as I would like to get publicity some time in the future, I'd hate tot hink people are taking that publicity with a grain of salt because of recent events. The same is true of any "real" mod in development right now, and I hope people can draw a dsitinction between the two.

There's nothing bad with showing your mod to people. There's nothing bad with contacting a hl2 COMMUNITY website to show your mod.

But the line is drawn when a modification purposely 'stages' screenshot, it brings news posts to hl2 community sites like it's some press agency, it's dev's "have a little laugh" and decide to join random community sites to comment on mod news like they have never seen it before (actual fact; and DaveL HAS admitted that this has happened but refuses to say if it's still going on. And yes, you have read it right. It was not only DaveL who decided to do this; some other ND dev's also came up with the idea.), the leadstaff actually goes to extreme measures to recruit people from other mods (there is one account where someone actually was called long distance) and if the person does now want to give up his mod the recruiter will spend time litterally burning the mod down to the ground (logs are recorded of these acts), the mod actively tries to force feed actual computergame review magazines with news updates (Trying to get an article. This was at first admitted, later recalled as 'a slip of the tongue') and last but not least; gloats over whatever they have caused so far and merrily continues because just can't stop.

The latter is indeed true because there are people, from respectable mod teams whose names I will not name, who have been contacted YET again by certain individuals.

There was a time when the Half-life and the Half-life 2 mod community was just one big happy family. When fan and developer would just 'co-exist' like equals and there wasnt any big parade or show. News updates would be released, people would go 'Nice' and check the other mods around.

But now the whole community has been split in two; and this fissure keeps on getting larger as more people jump in the fight and choose sides. It especially keeps growing when the critisized party keeps on with it's actions and actually feels stronger because of what they have done. A sort of 'We are invincible' feeling is created as more and more people who don't know what the hell is going on fall for the oldest trick in the book.

And this is why I personally fight against this all.

Not because of jealousy, not because of hate, not because I am afraid that one mod team will get more players then the other.

But because what we had has been ruined. And it will continue to fall when noone takes a stand.

I am not against ND; they have some really talented people over there. But talent goes to waste when the talent is used for a race over eminence.

And ofcourse some person from ND, be it PR manager or dev, can come over here, and post a nice post with lots of smileys to tell us we are all wrong and paranoid. But in the end you, the dev and/or community member, shall have to ask yourselves the following:

"Does developing a mod, how great and fantastic it might be, ratify the things that have happened?"

- Pax

 

[Asknoone]

The resounding words I should expect to hear, are no.

 

[^Ben]

Show us the logs for this team member stealing.

 

[Pax]

Show us the logs for this team member stealing.

No.

Because thats not up to me to post. It's up to the team members themselves to come forward with these logs.

And these people have asked me not to post them due to the fact that they are afraid this might backfire upon their own modifications. These are people who get their names open upon the streets with such a thing. And what if some fanboy loon decides to track them down in revenge for such a thing?

Asking me to post these logs might do more damage then there already has been done. Why throw your torch in a powder keg when you can hold it right above it?

Besides, having the powder keg is more then enough. And it can be set alight on the right moment.

- Pax

 

[sullview]

http://www.nuclear-dawn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=943

Whatever you think regarding this whole deal, that thread is pretty entertaining. I found it kind of funny to see how the community hangs off of the balls of the developers like that.

-Sull out

 

[DizzyOne]

I dont see why none of you actually decides to wait and see if there will ever be a ND, instead you have to flame every ****ing topic out there, why not try and prove you are actually better instead of going around posting this truth everywhere, doesnt matter if its true and you are right or whatever, aslong as you keep this one sided and making conclusions etc makes you no better.

Most of your arguements are opinions anyway

I for one think its very very said someone is trying to pull the dev team apart, one thing of all I do not understand is, if they are so clearly the **** you say they are (im not stating anything) why would ennui be a moderator there now? From all people he surely would know better right?

 

[SimonomiS]

I bet it's Garry work! he's just jealous because we win 3 page artical on pcgamer!.

'Nuff said.

 

[Ennui]

Yeah you just proved what he said.

THE SCREENSHOTS WHERE FAKED AND THEY ARE NOT THAT FAR ALONG IN DEVELOPMENT - HENCE THEY LIED.

Oh and it's good to know that your acting as a go between for crispy now. He should of just posted these himself instead of pulling the "oh look at what 1 of our moderators found kek!"

Crispy actually didn't know anything about this, and I got in some serious trouble. It was already well known that the screenshots were technically fakes; but what I was trying to show was that ND is actually as far along in development as they say.

I can't show you those screenshots, now, but take my word for it, as a respected member of this community, even if you utterly disagree with me on the entire subject of Nuclear Dawn: everything in those CGW screenshots are in game and running the same as they said, except the HUD isn't as pretty - but it's exactly the same amount of functionality.

And Simon, you can't really let one person represent the whole community. Blackcyborg is 12 years old and we all humor him. For the most part, only a couple of the less-mature members of the ND forums were being stupid about all this.

Honestly, if you're going to let a few people represent the whole community... well shit, to put it in perspective, imagine how annoyed you'd be if you were staff on Halflife2.net, and another site was making fun of it and citing Lemonking as an example of a normal forum member.

 

[^Ben]

Yup you just 'happened' to come across them when ND was getting a roasting for fake screenshots.

Pull the other - Crispy put you up to it.

 

[smokeythebear]

http://www.nuclear-dawn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=943

Whatever you think regarding this whole deal, that thread is pretty entertaining. I found it kind of funny to see how the community hangs off of the balls of the developers like that.

-Sull out

Looks like they have a cult following...its funny how in another thread the community is trying to pressure the devs into making a video, but of course noone is giving them a direct answer.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Yup you just 'happened' to come across them when ND was getting a roasting for fake screenshots.

Pull the other - Crispy put you up to it.

No, Ennui is a respected member of the ND community and a moderator at their forums. There's no doubt in my mind that he knows what he's talking about.

 

[^Ben]

No, Ennui is a respected member of the ND community and a moderator at their forums. There's no doubt in my mind that he knows what he's talking about.

...

Miss the point much? It's not like he 'stumbled' across these screens as he wants us to think, he was specifically told what to post from the PR department.

God I sound like such a conspiracy nut, it's a sad state of affairs when ND sucks out the trust for people.

 

[SimonomiS]

And Simon, you can't really let one person represent the whole community. Blackcyborg is 12 years old and we all humor him. For the most part, only a couple of the less-mature members of the ND forums were being stupid about all this.

Honestly, if you're going to let a few people represent the whole community... well shit, to put it in perspective, imagine how annoyed you'd be if you were staff on Halflife2.net, and another site was making fun of it and citing Lemonking as an example of a normal forum member.

Ah fair enough, I take that back. Just saying he's a Lemonking equivalent (or similar) gets the point across.

 

[Ennui]

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Miss the point much? It's not like he 'stumbled' across these screens as he wants us to think, he was specifically told what to post from the PR department.

God I sound like such a conspiracy nut, it's a sad state of affairs when ND sucks out the trust for people.

Actually, no. That's not what happened at all. It's kind of internal business, but suffice to say that by posting those screenshots that I was leaked by a member of the team I cannot name, I was nearly banned from the Nuclear Dawn community for life.

 

[SimonomiS]

Were they horrible shots showing the mod in a bad light?

Seems a bit harsh to "nearly" ban you just for a few leaked shots which proved a point. :-/

 

[63]

Actually, no. That's not what happened at all. It's kind of internal business, but suffice to say that by posting those screenshots that I was leaked by a member of the team I cannot name, I was nearly banned from the Nuclear Dawn community for life.

Nearly banned for life, but yet they let you keep your moderator powers? Yeah, right.

btw:

ND is now 1337

 

[Ennui]

Were they horrible shots showing the mod in a bad light?

Seems a bit harsh to "nearly" ban you just for a few leaked shots which proved a point. :-/

I'm not banned, and everything is resolved. What you should take out of this is that everything the article revealed is truely implemented in Nuclear Dawn. They were fantastic shots, but they didn't give credit to the proper people who made them (as they were anonymous) and there's a plan in place to release them when they're needed.

 

[Yuri]

I'm not banned, and everything is resolved. What you should take out of this is that everything the article revealed is truely implemented in Nuclear Dawn. They were fantastic shots, but they didn't give credit to the proper people who made them (as they were anonymous) and there's a plan in place to release them when they're needed.

Lol, then why did they lie and photoshop them all? And why the huge shitstorm over a few leaked screenshots? You would think that these shots would actually help them. Since, you know, if the shots were "leaked," it may cause fans that were duped by ND (just now) to perhaps trust the screens, since they aren't official and therefore are less likely to be doctored and fake. And you would think that they wouldn't be so petty as to threaten you of banning for life from their community. That's a pretty shitty thing to do over a few pixels.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I trust Ennui, so I'll believe him when he says the stuff does functionally exist. He's not one to bullshit.

At the same time, it begs the question - why bother with all the doctoring (if that is indeed what happened, which seems likely)? It's just dishonest.

 

[Zunni]

I trust Ennui, so I'll believe him when he says the stuff does functionally exist. He's not one to bullshit.

At the same time, it begs the question - why bother with all the doctoring (if that is indeed what happened, which seems likely)? It's just dishonest.

I got the impression (and forgive me if I misread/heard this) that they didn't have the functionality working when the article was done. So they 'faked' these shots to showcase what they were working on but didn't have completed. Since that time they have completed the work.

(Again assuming what they are saying is accurate)

 

[Yuri]

That's a pretty shitty thing to do, too.