Obama a Threat to Gun Owners

[Absinthe]

lol yeah, bunch of warriors in this topic

Not convinced. Oh, but I guess the government will kill me any way. So who cares.

 

[jverne]

I think that he also means if the gov't outlaws firearms that means things have taken a significant downturn.
If you haven't noticed every single oppressive regime in the last 100 years has banned guns within a few years before a complete takeover.
The day semiautos are banned is the day that SWAT teams can take 'political dissidents' or as it's called now, 'suspected terrorists' without any fear of retribution or self-defense.
The day semiautos are banned is the same day I'll make sure that regime never makes it to maturity.
Don't kid yourself that your country doesn't control your life if you do live in a place that has banned firearms. Tell me, if all your precious just-in-time delivery systems suddenly stopped or you were suspect for being a terrorist how long do you think you'd survive before you succumbed to starvation or being taken to GTMO.
It may sound like a slippery-slope logical fallacy but we've already started down that slope, if immigrants could vote in Switzerland I'd move there but they can't so I'm in the US for now. Biding my time until the call to arms is issued by an unjust law.
If this still doesn't convince you, just look at how Nazi Germany did things. You'll find a disturbingly large number of parallels, the only reason it's taken so long here is that the US would have a hell of a time outlawing guns once-and-for-all now. The powers that be just have to wait another decade or so of wearing the gun owners down, though. Then it's easy pickings...until they break down the door of someone with my mentality.
I bet you think I'm a domestic terrorist waiting to happen, but look up the definition of terrorist and ask yourself: who is the real terrorist?

well i actually agree that having guns is a good idea in terms of keeping the greedy politicians at bay. i also agree that in dire situations a gun (semiauto) can be extremely useful.

thing is that when the coup starts it probably wont be by force, but you'll be softened into buying that shit, just like bush gradually tightened freedom in the name of terrorism. why don't i see nobody shooting at the withe house in protest?

for RL domestic scenarios (burglar, psychopath with a knife,...) everything bigger than a pistol is overkill.


and btw...i do like guns and i'd love if i could get one in my country without actually going bankrupt by getting the license and buying one.
i'm not that concerned about crime, but alot of people are mentally unstable and it would really suck if they could get their hands on a gun.

 

[VirusType2]

for RL domestic scenarios (burglar, psychopath with a knife,...) everything bigger than a pistol is overkill.

Bigger than a pistol = bad?

A pistol is much more handy for criminals than a rifle. It's relatively easy to conceal.

You can even get guns made out of ceramics that defeat metal detectors.


I think for home protection I'd choose a pump shotgun.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I think for home protection I'd choose a pump shotgun.

Yes but one must also always keep in mind round penetration. For those who do have firearms for self defense, or anyone who ever thinks about getting one, you should always check out this site-

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm


Good source for information on round penetration through walls, etc. You don't want to kill your neighbor or your own family in the process of defending them.

 

[jverne]

Bigger than a pistol = bad?

A pistol is much more handy for criminals than a rifle. It's relatively easy to conceal.

You can even get guns made out of ceramics that defeat metal detectors.


I think for home protection I'd choose a pump shotgun.

a hollow point is probably the best and only choice, everything else might just penetrate.

shotguns are unwieldy compared to pistols, and fire rate is worse. in home encounters you're probably shooting in less that 15 or 20m, which is close enough for a pistol.

 

[Saturos]

I can see you enjoy having the government possess a monopoly on power then. As though they need to, the food distro is so centralized they can just control whether you eat anyway.
Sheeple, I'll never understand them...

^This

The right to bear arms was designed to keep the government from having a total monopoly on power. Like I said earlier though, it's a little different than it was in the old days of farmer john when the military didn't have tanks, bombs, anti-air, nukes, etc.

Doesn't really make the law obsolete though. What really should be done is that gun ownership should be made so the irresponsible and careless don't get their hands on them. This would cut down on accidental deaths, and yes there are laws in place so people aren't allowed to go on a shooting spree just because they are "angry" with someone. LOL
Sentences like life in prison help to dissuade those who are likely to do this. Proper license, age, training, etc. This already applies though.
Any accidental deaths due to irresposible ownership is punishable by law. It's called involuntary manslaughter.


If anything, AT LEAST military and law enforcement should be able to carry side arms.
Some countries where even law enforcement don't have firearms complain because the shields the roit police carry are too big.
"but...but I can't hit the officer in the head with bottles and rooocks! ~whine whine~" Disgusting.

There's a saying that if you really want to fight for something, you'd better be willing to face reprecussions, whether your right or wrong. It doesn't matter. The law is the law. The person responsible for any shootings better have a good laywer. Not saying I 100% agree with this, it's just how it is here in the US.


The US Founding Fathers didn't want the government to coddle it's peeps and protect them from everything.

None of this will matter in fifty-sixty years or so anyways after the global economic collapse and the wolves take over.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

a hollow point is probably the best and only choice, everything else might just penetrate.

shotguns are unwieldy compared to pistols, and fire rate is worse. in home encounters you're probably shooting in less that 15 or 20m, which is close enough for a pistol.

9MM JHP will go through 8 sheets of wallboards (5/8 sheetrock) stacked together

.45 ACP HP will go through 7 sheets of wallboards

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

 

[VirusType2]

I was picturing my home which has zero chance of wall penetration.

My house was built in 1863 and uses two panes of horse hair mortar and brick that is almost 2 feet thick for each pane. This house was built during The American Civil War (1861–1865) and is cannon ball proof.

And I also only have one neighbor that isn't separated by woods. BTW he does target practice with a high powered rifle sometimes, and when I moved in, he asked if I mind. I said, no, please, feel free.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I was picturing my home which has zero chance of wall penetration.

My house was built in 1863 and uses two panes of horse hair brick that is almost 2 feet thick for each pane. This house was built during The American Civil War (1861?1865) is cannon ball proof.

And I also only have one neighbor that isn't separated by woods. BTW he does target practice with a high powered rifle sometimes, and when I moved in, he asked if I mind. I said, no, please, feel free.

Shotgun is probably a good choice then.

here buy this one at auction. pretty nice. 12 gauge with collapsible stock

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=114387979#PIC


This one is pretty badass as well
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=114710042#PIC

 

[Sheepo]

Fact: Obama is going to melt every gun in the United States into one incredibly gigantic nuclear weapon, and then give joint custody of the bomb to terrorists and the gays.

 

[Krynn72]

Guns are for fags. Fact.

 

[Saturos]

Fact: Obama is going to melt every gun in the United States into one incredibly gigantic nuclear weapon, and then give joint custody of the bomb to terrorists and the gays.

LOL

Guns are for fags. Fact.

Nope. People who blow the, "OMG! US is a bunch of retarded, gun wielding maniacs" issue are fags. :>

The whole thing is blown way out of proportion for no reason. The tool is not the cause of crime. There's a problem with a kid who wants to shoot up a school or shopping district in the first place. One reason may be due to bad parenting. What if there were no guns? What's stopping a bunch of disturbed teens from shanking their foes in the restrooms?

 

[Ridge]

for RL domestic scenarios (burglar, psychopath with a knife,...) everything bigger than a pistol is overkill.

How about the one on the bottom left?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

How about the one on the bottom left?

Nice is that a 9mm Hi Point 995 at the top? My friend has one but sawed the stock off. Pretty stupid of him IMO because he cant aim it for shit now.

made a useful suprresor for it though with a 1L coke bottle but its only good for one shot

 

[VirusType2]

I bought a used older model semi-auto handgun about 15 years ago from a pawn shop, so that I could get the longer clip, which had been banned from the newer models. I didn't have that long before I sold it.

When I was a teenager, I was obsessed with firearms, and was a member of a match shooting team, but as I got older, I lost interest.

I honestly feel safer without firearms. I have Bi-Polar disorder and suffer from severe depression at times, and I'm honestly worried about making it a quick and easy method for suicide on a hasty decision.

I think 2/3 people with Bi Polar disorder eventually kill themselves. I don't want to make it easy for myself.

Although many people with bipolar disorder who attempt suicide never actually complete it, the annual average suicide rate in males and females with diagnosed bipolar disorder is 10 to more than 20 times that in the general population.[99]

Individuals with bipolar disorder may become suicidal, especially during mixed states such as dysphoric mania and agitated depression.[100] Persons suffering from Bipolar II have high rates of suicide compared to persons suffering from other mental health conditions, including Major Depression. Major Depressive episodes are part of the Bipolar II experience, and there is evidence that sufferers of this disorder spend proportionally much more of their life in the depressive phase of the illness than their counterparts with Bipolar I Disorder (Akiskal & Kessler, 2007).

 

[Sheepo]

Nope. People who blow the, "OMG! US is a bunch of retarded, gun wielding maniacs" issue are fags. :>

The whole thing is blown way out of proportion for no reason. The tool is not the cause of crime. There's a problem with a kid who wants to shoot up a school or shopping district in the first place. One reason may be due to bad parenting. What if there were no guns? What's stopping a bunch of disturbed teens from shanking their foes in the restrooms?

"The poeple kill people kill people argument" is the biggest load of bullshit. People have a lot harder time killing people without guns. It sounds silly, but a school stabbing would not be half as devestating as a school shooting, and such stabbings would be much more uncommon.

 

[Saturos]

"The poeple kill people kill people argument" is the biggest load of bullshit. People have a lot harder time killing people without guns. It sounds silly, but a school stabbing would not be half as devestating as a school shooting, and such stabbings would be much more uncommon.

That's true, but why this behavior in the first place? Lack of education? Bad parenting?

It doesn't matter how easy guns make it to kill, fact is it's still just a tool, and just like weed and/or crack, teens will still get them if they really wanted too even if guns were illegal. It's not like teens can just waltz into a gun store a purchase a gun even though they are legal. If they get them, they get them illegally or without permission anyways. (Any adult/parent who'd give his teen permission to borrow his/her gun is a retard and shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. In fact, they should be jailed.)

The blame should be placed on the people. Parents, authorities, etc. Nobody wants to take responsibility in this country anymore. That's why all the bad vibes and it's current state.
Instead, they blame inanimate objects.
Hardly logical imo.

 

[Kyorisu]

The right to bear arms was designed to keep the government from having a total monopoly on power. Like I said earlier though, it's a little different than it was in the old days of farmer john when the military didn't have tanks, bombs, anti-air, nukes, etc.

Doesn't really make the law obsolete though.

Actually it does because if you don't get the military on your side any hope of a glorious revolution will be crushed in seconds. Come to Australia, you can get a firearm fairly easily you just need a damned good reason for having one. I've been trained to use fire arms (Hunting rifles, pistols and the like) but don't own one myself, got no reason for having one.

The US Founding Fathers didn't want the government to coddle it's peeps and protect them from everything.

It's been happening for sometime now and frankly I'd be more concerned about other things than keeping a couple of fire arms around.

 

[Ridge]

Nice is that a 9mm Hi Point 995 at the top? My friend has one but sawed the stock off. Pretty stupid of him IMO because he cant aim it for shit now.

made a useful suprresor for it though with a 1L coke bottle but its only good for one shot

Yeah, I had an aftermarket stock on it for a long time, but sold it not too long ago...

 

[Saturos]

Actually it does because if you don't get the military on your side any hope of a glorious revolution will be crushed in seconds. Come to Australia, you can get a firearm fairly easily you just need a damned good reason for having one. I've been trained to use fire arms (Hunting rifles, pistols and the like) but don't own one myself, got no reason for having one.

I wish "hunting" was America's sole reason for gun ownership. Although I've never "hunted" in my life. Hehe.

EDIT> I didn't see the part where the guns are leased for a day. If that works in Australia, more power to you guys.

In fact, I wish America was more laid back like other countries like Australia. We get way too much hype and attention for my liking. Makes me feel uneasy.

Also, I don't like guns, but they're a neccessary evil to protect yourself from the idiots who do like guns. That's why I'm against absolute gun control in the US, and I mean absolute like in many European/Eastern Hemisphere world nations.

I don't believe it's right people without proper training can own guns, so I guess I'm somewhat about pro-gun control to a degree.
Big difference than having them banned completely, which many people seem to confuse gun control for. It's the, "No-Guns" thing I don't agree with.

The banment of firearms may work in England and New Zealand, but not here.

 

[unozero]

yeah Aussie land is laid back...Internet filter and games bans...great country,the only thing the aussies have going for them is hot blond chicks.

 

[Ridge]

Dont forget not knowing if the Apocolypse is here yet

 

[Saturos]

yeah Aussie land is laid back...Internet filter and games bans...great country,the only thing the aussies have going for them is hot blond chicks.

Goes to show every country has it's own "Cleveland Steamer" then. LOL

Oh well.

 

[Krynn72]

Guns are for fags. Wimpy fags who cant Swashbuckle. If someones going to break into my home, then hes going to get a gut full of sword holes rather than quick killing bullet holes.

Fags.

 

[Ridge]

No offense, but even a .22 can reach farther than a sword

Yo ho!

 

[Krynn72]

No offense, but even a 50-cal cant chop off limbs like a greatsword can.

Har Har!

 

[VirusType2]

Guns are for fags. Wimpy fags who cant Swashbuckle. If someones going to break into my home, then hes going to get a gut full of sword holes rather than quick killing bullet holes.

Fags.

Even swashbucklers carried black powder guns.

Lesbos.

 

[FishBulb]

Well, I think this thread's pretty much run its course. Also:

If this still doesn't convince you, just look at how Nazi Germany did things. You'll find a disturbingly large number of parallels, the only reason it's taken so long here is that the US would have a hell of a time outlawing guns once-and-for-all now.

Godwin's Law.