Of the latest 10 US presidents, who is your favorite?

[CptStern]

Of course we can. But don't deny that we both had a part in continuing it this far. I was willing to stop two posts in.

:upstare: shoot me for being cordial and replying to your posts

And don't respond to this post with a response that furthers the off-topic discussion.

so I shouldnt respond with something that is on topic about the off topic discussion we're currently having ..alrighty then ...btw Harrison owned slaves he was also anti-abolitionist and had he survived his first month in office I'm sure little would change

 

[No Limit]

What the hell, I voted for Clinton just to piss off any right wingers reading this.

But I don't think he's been that good for this country, not much, if anything, changed under him.

2 people voted for Bush? Wow.

 

[joule]

I was only alive to see three of them, and I'm not voting for a Bush.

 

[staticprimer]

I would vote for Chester A. Arthur if there were an option.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Ronald Reagan-

Actor turned Politician
Believer in the Aliens phenomena
SDI defence

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Ronald Reagan -- because he does that animated thing, with his fist, where he conks his head over and over again.

 

[Dan]

who voted for Eisenhower, Nixon, or Johnson?

 

[The Monkey]

who voted for Eisenhower, Nixon, or Johnson?

You can click the numbers on the poll to see who voted for who.

 

[W4d5Y]

I love Eisenhower for delivering his dramatic fare-well speech about the militareh indutrial compluhx

Ronald Reagan-
Believer in the Aliens phenomena
SDI defence

And? So did Carter!
Still remember his words though.."I sometimes reckon how easily our differences would vanish if we were to face an extraterrestial threat"
Although McArthur relayed some much more sinister words than what Reagan could have ever publicated...
Anyway, Star Wars was evil...eeeeevil...I mean, it was fecken Edward Teller who came up with it in the first place...

 

[[Matt]]

Suprised no one mentioned jimmy carter?

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony/jimmycartermanfromplains/trailer/

 

[Gunner]

The people with a better knowledge of history than those who only chose inside their own lifetimes. Reagan? Clinton? Seriously?

Because history never embellishes facts, right.

 

[Saturos]

Bill Clinton is a draft dodging coward and didn't even have the decency to resign after after humiliating the U.S. with that Monica Lewinsky incident. I voted for Nixon, because at least he had enough respect for his country and people to resign after the Watergate scandal. Some would argue the same with Bush though.

 

[PvtRyan]

Bill Clinton is a draft dodging coward and didn't even have the decency to resign after after humiliating the U.S. with that Monica Lewinsky incident. I voted for Nixon, because at least he had enough respect for his country and people to resign after the Watergate scandal. Some would argue the same with Bush though.

Why the hell should a president resign for affairs? Who cares who Bill was porking? For all I care he was doing my neighbor's gay dog. It's none of your damn business. And Nixon is the best president because he had the 'decency' to resign after engaging in criminal activities? What? Are you serious?

Your kind of people is the reason Bush got elected, TWICE. Why does it matter how someone behaves as long as they're doing a good job?

 

[CptStern]

Bill Clinton is a draft dodging coward and didn't even have the decency to resign after after humiliating the U.S. with that Monica Lewinsky incident. I voted for Nixon, because at least he had enough respect for his country and people to resign after the Watergate scandal. Some would argue the same with Bush though.

yes enough "respect" for his countrymen that he sent fbi operatives to break into party headquarters steal information, then when forced to hand over evidence they doctored it make it less damning 2 years after the fact


kick your dad/uncle/whomever is feeding your disinformation, you have it assbackwards


oh and Clinton at least had to stones to face the music unlike george bush who just made daddy take care of his draft problem

 

[Saturos]

yes enough "respect" for his countrymen that he sent fbi operatives to break into party headquarters steal information, then when forced to hand over evidence they doctored it make it less damning 2 years after the fact


kick your dad/uncle/whomever is feeding your disinformation, you have it assbackwards


oh and Clinton at least had to stones to face the music unlike george bush who just made daddy take care of his draft problem

I never said I liked Bush. You can't agree with me with anything can you? Your just repeating what I said about Nixon anyways. He DID resign after all.

 

[CptStern]

what the hell is there to agree with? what the hell are you talking about? ok enough already ..it's like your kicking me in the head and I'm growing stupider by the minute

perhaps you'd be better off staying out of political discussions ...it's obvious your knowledge of most issues are superficial at best

 

[Sulkdodds]

Nixon probably resigned as part of a deal to avoid criminal prosecution. He gave Gerald Ford the presidency, then Gerald Ford gave him a presidential pardon.

So yeah, real ****ing respectful.

 

[Saturos]

what the hell is there to agree with? what the hell are you talking about? ok enough already ..it's like your kicking me in the head and I'm growing stupider by the minute

perhaps you'd be better off staying out of political discussions ...it's obvious your knowledge of most issues are superficial at best

Observe, this is what someone online behaves like when they know they are defeated, they insult the other debater without giving any strong points to back things up PWNED!

 

[Saturos]

Nixon probably resigned as part of a deal to avoid criminal prosecution. He gave Gerald Ford the presidency, then Gerald Ford gave him a presidential pardon.

So yeah, real ****ing respectful.

So why didn't Clinton resign after that farce with Lewinsky? Isn't that not shameful enough? BTW: Even if my views are superficial, at least I have principles. A man without principles is a man without shame. They don't to take responsibility for anything. If Nixon really cheated punishment by resigning...well, no politicians are innocent. Shame on him. That's why they're called politicians. They're professional liars.

 

[Saturos]

Saturos you haven't been here very long and hopefully not for much longer, but if you learn only one thing here .... Cpt Stern is INVINCIBLE!

I fail to see the open-mindedness people have been preaching. It's been a One-sided argument throughout this whole forum. Nobody here respects anyone's views and/or agrees that people have different opinions. So what if Stern has 27,000+ posts? He must be proud. Good for him. Who's the tyrant now? Instead of flaming everyone for their opinions, we could just agree to disagree.

 

[Sulkdodds]

So why didn't Clinton resign after that farce with Lewinsky? Isn't that not shameful enough? BTW: Even if my views are superficial, at least I have principles. If Nixon really cheated punishment by resigning...well, no politicians are innocent. That's why they're called politicians. They're professional liars.

I don't care about Clinton. I don't care whether he was shameful or not. Although it should be noted he was impeached and acquitted (whereas Nixon, confronted with strong evidence and a smoking gun, slithered out of ever being tried), that's not really relevant, because I'm not trying to argue that Clinton was any better.

I am simply arguing that your plumping for Nixon on the grounds of his "respect" for the public is completely baseless.

We are talking here about the man who said "if the president does it, it isn't a crime." Your entire grounds for voting for him are that, despite all the Watergate crap he did, he had the "respect" to resign. But when that respect is compromised by the reasons and the manner of Nixon's resignation - dodgy dealing motivated by self interest - there's nothing left of your original justification; nothing but the crap. So are you going to try and continue to defend your position with nothing more than a shrug, a platitude and a tacit admittal that you are talking a load of bullshit?

 

[Tyguy]

Nixon was responsible for dozens of illegal activities including wire taps, sabotage, espionage, etc. His resignation was anything but sincere and honest.

You must of known this though, right?

 

[Saturos]

I don't care about Clinton. I don't care whether he was shameful or not. Although it should be noted he was impeached and acquitted (whereas Nixon, confronted with strong evidence and a smoking gun, slithered out of ever being tried), that's not really relevant, because I'm not trying to argue that Clinton was any better.

I am simply arguing that your plumping for Nixon on the grounds of his "respect" for the public is completely baseless.

We are talking here about the man who said "if the president does it, it isn't a crime." Your entire grounds for voting for him are that, despite all the Watergate crap he did, he had the "respect" to resign. But when that respect is compromised by the reasons and the manner of Nixon's resignation - dodgy dealing motivated by self interest - there's nothing left of your original justification; nothing but the crap. So are you going to try and continue to defend your position with nothing more than a shrug, a platitude and a tacit admittal that you are talking a load of bullshit?

Ok, I agreed to you on that.(see above post)My mistake. Nixon's a dick too. But it SEEMED LIKE RESPECT TO ME See? at least I know when to put a plug in it. Some people here are obsessed with trying to be right all the time instead of putting differences behind them. I won't mention any names. Figure it out for yourselves.

 

[Sulkdodds]

It's good to be appreciated.

Maybe there is a difference between putting differences behind one and trying to weasel out of things using platitudes? Maybe? Tune in after the break.

 

[Saturos]

It's good to be appreciated.

Maybe there is a difference between putting differences behind one and trying to weasel out of things using platitudes? Maybe? Tune in after the break.

Your not calling me a weasel are you? plz.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Being such a master of the subtle art of implication yourself, I'm sure you can work it out.

 

[Saturos]

Did Shasta ever get into political debates like this with Stern? I'm sure that would have been funny. Oh, the great gods of trolls, let me laugh once again.

 

[Shift]

JFK because he showed amazing leadership during the cuban missile crisis which averted nuclear war, and his smile makes me laugh haha.

 

[Tyguy]

I agree, he never lost his head during that crisis......



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[Atomic_Piggy]

I agree, he never lost his head during that crisis......



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[The Monkey]

How the hell can you compare The Watergate scandel with the Lewinsky story? The first was a case where the president committed a major crime, the second one was where the president got oral sex. What happened there was between Bill, Monica and possible Hillary and no body else. Getting a blow job from the secretary is not the concern of the public.

 

[CptStern]

oh but it was a moral outrage ..infidelity trumps breaking and entering, stealing, lying, sabotage, conspiracy to commit aa felony etc etc ....the bible says so


kinda like that dicotomy where you can show a severed head on a stick during prime time when all the kiddies are watching but god forbid you show a nipple ..all hell breaks loose when nipples are exposed

 

[Sulkdodds]

How the hell can you compare The Watergate scandel with the Lewinsky story? The first was a case where the president committed a major crime, the second one was where the president got oral sex. What happened there was between Bill, Monica and possible Hillary and no body else. Getting a blow job from the secretary is not the concern of the public.

Yeah but the impeachment was for his supposedly lying in court/perverting the course of justice, not for the blow.

It's admittedly far smaller, far less reprehensible, than Nixon's actions. Also Clinton was acquitted and Nixon wasn't.

 

[Sui]

I voted Johnson, although admittedly I don't know a lot about the presidents between him and Clinton. Johnson got a load of shit for the Vietnam war, because he escalated it - but I like him for the tough decisions he made and for sticking by them. On the surface it may seem like Johnson had more blood on his hands than Nixon (who eventually pulled the troops out of 'Nam) but at the end of the day it was Johnson who was kept awake at night at the thought of American troops dying overseas, while Nixon simply pulled out to please the public.

I think Kennedy was overrated. He basically ran the country with his brother in a really unprofessional manner, and lacked the experience of the other presidents. I read up on the Cuban Missile Crisis, and maybe I'm missing something, but it basically boiled down to everyone getting into a hissy fit and nobody really doing anything, and the whole thing just flukily blowing over. He gained most of his popularity from being shot :|

 

[tehsolace]

Washington & Jefferson were the only notable presidents. Everyone else can go shove off.

 

[Acepilotf14]

Go Nixon Go!