Oh no, not Tesco

If Tesco goes out of business, the amout of adverts on hl2.net will increase.

Fact.
 
Tesco is great for those 3am drunken snack stops on your way home from a night out!
 
Oh noes, peoples will know what I am buying. Ph34r...

Seriously, all these people with privacy issues worry me. As far as can see, and feel free to present others, the only reasons to fear things like this is either
a/. You are a criminal, or you want to protect your ability to be a criminal.
b/. You are afraid that people you have never met/will never meet, will judge you based on what you buy. Firstly, why do you care what others think, and second, you actually meet the checkout assistant, why don't you care what she thinks?

Yes, I realise these will be used to direct marketing, but I personally think this is a good thing. Instead of bombarding us with spam for everything under the sun, they just advertise what we use. Plus, many of us never changes brands due to advertising, so they may even spam us less.

And we can't forget the possibility of pushing our trolley through a scanner, swiping a card, and being out in less than 30 seconds.

Edit - Just had a more deep read of that site. Talk about sensasionalist nonsense. Everything to do with it is "spying". What about the clubcard? Same sort of data, is that spying? What about the security guard filming you on the cctv. Spying?
Heres the thing, if you exagerate your claim and people realise thats what your doing, then they will know that even you can see that theres not much to your claim, so your trying to improve it. You fail at life. kthxbye
 
kirovman said:
If Tesco goes out of business, the amout of adverts on hl2.net will increase.

Fact.
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LOL!

Best insider-joke laugh I've ever had
 
Caption competition:

"Give me money!"
"Access denied...until you give me money!"
"I hate you...unless you give me money!"
"They're refurbishing inside...with adware!"
"Hey catch me later, I'll buy you a Tesco value beer!"


Damn you, Dan Turk!
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One solution is to put all your shopping in a metal tin, to block the radio transmissions.

I shop at Safeway/Morrisons, but that's the only choice I have.
 
Erm, so what. Tesco is spending all this money to find out that when people buy stuff, they take home and put it in the fridge/cupboards?

A bit pointless.

In such a world, we and our children would be continually bombarded with electromagnetic energy. Researchers have discovered that exposure to this type of energy could cause permanent harm to DNA.
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Hmm, I don't know, we seem to manage alright with TV/Radios and frigging light all around us.
 
kirovman said:
Caption competition:

"Give me money!"
"Access denied...until you give me money!"
"I hate you...unless you give me money!"
"They're refurbishing inside...with adware!"
"Hey catch me later, I'll buy you a Tesco value beer!"
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hahaahahahahahahaha Classic! Nice one, its funny cos thats how it is!
 
Wahay! Put Tesco out of business! :E

I blame my pro-Sainsbury's attitude for the above statement.

Good thing i shop (and work) at Sainsbury's
 
In such a world, we and our children would be continually bombarded with electromagnetic energy. Researchers have discovered that exposure to this type of energy could cause permanent harm to DNA.
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Congratulations to that site for the biggest peice of sensationalist nonsense i've read in a while!
 
kirovman said:
One solution is to put all your shopping in a metal tin, to block the radio transmissions.

I shop at Safeway/Morrisons, but that's the only choice I have.
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Lead Lined Box

My mum works and shops at Sainsbury
I shop at Safeway mainly becuase its in walking distance and they do good deals on Bottles of Diet Coke
 
Morrisons ftw. Even though, I often go to Tesco. Its just round the corner though :O
 
Link said:
Oh noes, peoples will know what I am buying. Ph34r...

Seriously, all these people with privacy issues worry me. As far as can see, and feel free to present others, the only reasons to fear things like this is either
a/. You are a criminal, or you want to protect your ability to be a criminal.
b/. You are afraid that people you have never met/will never meet, will judge you based on what you buy. Firstly, why do you care what others think, and second, you actually meet the checkout assistant, why don't you care what she thinks?

Yes, I realise these will be used to direct marketing, but I personally think this is a good thing. Instead of bombarding us with spam for everything under the sun, they just advertise what we use. Plus, many of us never changes brands due to advertising, so they may even spam us less.

And we can't forget the possibility of pushing our trolley through a scanner, swiping a card, and being out in less than 30 seconds.

Edit - Just had a more deep read of that site. Talk about sensasionalist nonsense. Everything to do with it is "spying". What about the clubcard? Same sort of data, is that spying? What about the security guard filming you on the cctv. Spying?
Heres the thing, if you exagerate your claim and people realise thats what your doing, then they will know that even you can see that theres not much to your claim, so your trying to improve it. You fail at life. kthxbye
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Your wrong on all points, from the top:

People with privacy issues worry you? Privacy is and should be a right. We live in a free society, and are free to do what we want without anyone monoriting us. If you want to be monitered, then you can. But for someone else to moniter you without your consent is a violation of your right.

Saying that only criminals should be concerned is wrong, we all should. Becuase thanks to CCTV cameras, 'spychips' ID cards and the like we are all treated as criminals, regardless of race gender, history or lifestyle.
No group, whether it be the state or a corparation has the right to do that.

The state is there to serve us. Not to moniter us, it just doesnt and shouldnt be allowed to do that, its a complete violation of a Democracy. Its a stepping stone to a dictatorship. Next it'll be cameras in your house, you cannot have the right to freedom of speech, while giving goverments the power to watch you.

I do agree, RFID chips could save us spam, and they could make things easier. But if people accept this then there more likely to accept furter monitering, and our rights will sowley be diminished, by little steps.

Thats why battles for stopping thumb printing in schools, redccing CCTV battles, no2ID and the like are so important.

Society is at a cross roads, if we do not make a stand now they will push more and more, and the more power we give them, the easier it will be for them to give themselves more power, and it will be easier to resist.

We must say no to all this monitering/tracking equipment becuase it is a danger to civil rights, and potencially our democracy.
 
Samon said:
Morrisons ftw. Even though, I often go to Tesco. Its just round the corner though :O
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I've never been to more depressing places then Morrisons (excluding Lidl), they all look the same!!

I tend to shop at Tesco's.
 
Overpriced Waitrose for the win. There aren't any Tescos local to me :(
 
Sigh, you speand ages typing a massive reply against the facists and you don't even get one 'QFT'.

I give up :p
 
Whoa, seriously who cares. Years ago I used to have to work on a till and Barcodes suck ass.
 
READ MY F******G POST!

Dont you care about a little thing called 'Democracy'? Or civil rights?

Pah who needs them.
 
Solaris said:
READ MY F******G POST!

Dont you care about a little thing called 'Democracy'? Or civil rights?

Pah who needs them.
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We've only ever experienced pseudo-democracy or demi-civil rights, so we wouldn't know what the real things are like.
 
I agree,

If we let them win this..... we'll have less.
 
Harryz said:
I've never been to more depressing places then Morrisons (excluding Lidl), they all look the same!!
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But...but you get DVDS for £5!!


ASDA sucks :D
 
Yeah, and he singlehandidly fights off the gypsies who invade the store with his trunchon. Quite the hero among the locals.
 
Feath said:
Hmm, I don't know, we seem to manage alright with TV/Radios and frigging light all around us.
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oh but these ppl running the site are OBVIOUSLY experts in their field when it comes to the dangers of electromagnetic radiation!
wait, arghh im being fried by my local FM radio station!! aarghhhh if only i had listened to the anti-tesco website!! argh my microwave must have made my food radioactive!! it fires RADIATION at my food!! argh!!! oh no, everything in the room is emitting infra-red RADIATION!! n000000.

oh yeah, some people are just stupid, there used to be a big thing about ppl usin microwaves and the public were scared of them. then it was mobile phones, and now..... carrier bags?!? wtf
 
Thats not there main argument and you know it.

Ive posted my view, reply to it!

In essay format (j/k)
 
Solaris said:
Your wrong on all points, from the top:

People with privacy issues worry you? Privacy is and should be a right. We live in a free society, and are free to do what we want without anyone monoriting us. If you want to be monitered, then you can. But for someone else to moniter you without your consent is a violation of your right.

Saying that only criminals should be concerned is wrong, we all should. Becuase thanks to CCTV cameras, 'spychips' ID cards and the like we are all treated as criminals, regardless of race gender, history or lifestyle.
No group, whether it be the state or a corparation has the right to do that.

The state is there to serve us. Not to moniter us, it just doesnt and shouldnt be allowed to do that, its a complete violation of a Democracy. Its a stepping stone to a dictatorship. Next it'll be cameras in your house, you cannot have the right to freedom of speech, while giving goverments the power to watch you.

I do agree, RFID chips could save us spam, and they could make things easier. But if people accept this then there more likely to accept furter monitering, and our rights will sowley be diminished, by little steps.

Thats why battles for stopping thumb printing in schools, redccing CCTV battles, no2ID and the like are so important.

Society is at a cross roads, if we do not make a stand now they will push more and more, and the more power we give them, the easier it will be for them to give themselves more power, and it will be easier to resist.

We must say no to all this monitering/tracking equipment becuase it is a danger to civil rights, and potencially our democracy.
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I must confess to being confused. You are saying, if I am understanding you correctly, that if the goverment monitors us, they will slowly become a dictatorship? How do you gain this insight I lack? The police monitor us. Are we in a dictatorship? Speed cameras monitor us. Are we in a dictatorship? There is CCTV in every major town. Are we in a dictatorship in major towns?

Any one of these systems could be used to create a form of Orwells "Big brother", but as you say, the government serve us, not control us. Any government that used any monitoring system to enforce anything but the law would be removed, either by vote, or uprising. As such, these systems only effect criminals, so I repeat, for clarity and those that may have missed it, the only people who should fear these systems, are people who commit crimes.

The only thing democracy guarantees is that the will of the people (Defined as the majority) will be enforced. No where does it guarantee privacy. I fail to understand why people require it. I do not break the law (as a rule), or if I do, I accept the concequences of my actions. As such, I am not concerned with being observed. If "they" want to watch me walk down the street, I care not. If "they" want to watch me as I eat my dinner, its fine by me. For all I care, "they" can watch me shower, and jack off as "they" watch, as long as I don't have to know. My point is this. "They" can watch, but "they" may not intefer, "they" may not obstruct me from living my life, as long as its legal, in any way. This is the will of the people, therefore the rules instated by democracy, which you seem to desire to protect from something it is already protecting itself from. Your argument is void on the simple principle that observing and intefering are entirely seperate, and the former cannot cause the later, foil hat or not.
 
Link said:
I must confess to being confused. You are saying, if I am understanding you correctly, that if the goverment monitors us, they will slowly become a dictatorship? How do you gain this insight I lack? The police monitor us. Are we in a dictatorship? Speed cameras monitor us. Are we in a dictatorship? There is CCTV in every major town. Are we in a dictatorship in major towns?

Any one of these systems could be used to create a form of Orwells "Big brother", but as you say, the government serve us, not control us. Any government that used any monitoring system to enforce anything but the law would be removed, either by vote, or uprising. As such, these systems only effect criminals, so I repeat, for clarity and those that may have missed it, the only people who should fear these systems, are people who commit crimes.

The only thing democracy guarantees is that the will of the people (Defined as the majority) will be enforced. No where does it guarantee privacy. I fail to understand why people require it. I do not break the law (as a rule), or if I do, I accept the concequences of my actions. As such, I am not concerned with being observed. If "they" want to watch me walk down the street, I care not. If "they" want to watch me as I eat my dinner, its fine by me. For all I care, "they" can watch me shower, and jack off as "they" watch, as long as I don't have to know. My point is this. "They" can watch, but "they" may not intefer, "they" may not obstruct me from living my life, as long as its legal, in any way. This is the will of the people, therefore the rules instated by democracy, which you seem to desire to protect from something it is already protecting itself from. Your argument is void on the simple principle that observing and intefering are entirely seperate, and the former cannot cause the later, foil hat or not.
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Right,a good argument there, but I don't agree with it. The entire fact that they want to monitor us with CCTV and ID cards and the like is the problem. The government is NOT there to control the people. It has no right to interfere in the rights of its citzens unless there is eveidence they are law breaking. That is an essecial part of a Democracy. The government shouldn't want more power over its people (thats what this survailance stuff gives them, power). The only reason for a democratically elected government would want more power of its people is if it wanted more control.

The systems may only affect criminals, hey they may even reduce crime, but at what price. The price is my freind your right to live a life free from the state, instead you are constantly monitered becuase in there eyes your a potencial criminal. Who gave these people the right to control the people? Know one and they should never have the right.

So youre saying you don't mind being watched, as long as they don't interfer. So when they sell your information to Tescow, hay whats the harm, they might even target you for some vouchers, who cares if its a massive breach of ethics, at the end of the day it doesn't really effect me. I'm afraid that kind of attitude leads to: I don't care if they give the police guns, I don't care if a Police man watches me while I vote with a gun. These sort of attitudes give way to a dictator ship, it gives the state more and more control and makes it easier for them to take total power.

You cannot have free speach while being watched. Having everything you say monitered denys you the right to free speech. You cannot feel safe to hold a radical opinion when theres a camera watching you, with an armedd police man on the other side.


Solaris
 
Your argument has only one major flaw. It assumes that monitoring will lead to control, and this is simply not the case. It only means, and can only ever mean, that people who commit crimes have less chance of getting away with it. Democracy allows for observation, but activly protects the rights of innocent individuals, untill proven guilty of a crime. For example, there is a limit on how long the police can hold you if arrested. Ok, so the extended terrorism law holding things overboard, but I don't believe that applies to citizens.

Regardless, if the government tried to control us in any other way than procecuting criminals, they would be removed from power, by law, by the fact that all agencys would cease to obey them, or even by civil uprising.

I think my point is simply that your argument would be very valid if it was possible for a government to become a dictatorship, or even anything other than a servant of the people, but the fact is that it just cannot happen, step by step or otherwise.

As to your comment about arming the police, I would advocate it. Criminals carry guns, why not give the police a means to defend themselves?

And you can have free speech whilst being watched. This is a public forum, and anyone may read it. However, I can say, for example, "I think the PM is an evil warmonger and should be removed from power, by force" and they may not do anything about it. I could say that to his face and all he could do is walk away. As it happens, I support the PM on all but one issue, but I could say it if I didn't. You might feel embarressed saying that to him, but thats up to you. Again, monitoring does not, and can not lead to control.
 
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