ok, can someone calrify this for me?

[A2597]

Just posted a thread elsewhere linking to the new screenies.

someone came in and, to the best of my knowledge, continued the spread of rumors that have no backing/were dispelled long ago. So, just to make certain I didn't make a total ass of myself refuting his claims...

Is there any proof/merit to the claim Valve has cut content/levels to meet the deadline?

Is there any proof that the entire game runs off scripts/the AI really can't do anything/is poor.


Thanks!

 

[Gorgon]

You are the first guy who is saying that in my knowledge.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Valve have denied cutting any content.

Magazine previews have lauded the AI, so it can't be that bad, can it?

 

[The Mullinator]

Content has most certainly been cut since it happens in virtually every game. Thing is that content probably isn't all that big in the first place.

As for the AI I have never even heard any rumors saying the AI was actually bad. Maybe it was bad in the stolen version but no one should be using that as any sort of benchmark anyway.

 

[Feath]

Is there any proof/merit to the claim Valve has cut content/levels to meet the deadline?

Content will probably have been cut to finish the game, but content is cut from EVERYTHING. Ever seen "deleted scenes" on DVDs? And Half-Life had the part where you can fly the helicopter cut. Valve wouldn't cut anything too important and probably would only cut things that weren't working anyway.

To answer your question there is no proof that anything has been cut besides what Fragmaster said.

Is there any proof that the entire game runs off scripts/the AI really can't do anything/is poor.

Well, the PC Zone article seemed to be very impressed with the AI and the writer described things that couldn't have been scripted. It's true that some AI actions in the E3 video were scripted, but those were videos to show Half-Life 2 in action, and not meant to be played.

 

[Dougy]

Just posted a thread elsewhere linking to the new screenies.

someone came in and, to the best of my knowledge, continued the spread of rumors that have no backing/were dispelled long ago. So, just to make certain I didn't make a total ass of myself refuting his claims...

Is there any proof/merit to the claim Valve has cut content/levels to meet the deadline?

Is there any proof that the entire game runs off scripts/the AI really can't do anything/is poor.


Thanks!

No.
and
No.

the guy was talking BS. (to the best of my knowledge)

 

[A2597]

ok, good. I thought he was, but I wanted to make certain.

 

[Seppo]

Yeah and do you seriously think Valve would release the game if they weren't happy about it? No. So don't worry, if they decide to cut content or change the AI or whatever, it will only make the game better.

 

[A2597]

see, I knew this, but I am immidiately a fanboy for dispelling a rumor...oh well. so long as he doesn't get others to believe him...

 

[Striker]

im pretty sure the game will kick ass

 

[Mr-Fusion]

I would tend think content is being cut. It probably happens with every single game ever made. Same thing happens with movies. You simply cannot fit in everything you want to for one reason or another.

 

[Deadlor]

I know this is off topic, but does anyone else find it extremely annoying that everyone has a "spoiler" in their signature?

 

[KurtCobain]

I know this is off topic, but does anyone else find it extremely annoying that everyone has a "spoiler" in their signature?

Lol no its not annoying

 

[Stigmata]

I know this is off topic, but does anyone else find it extremely annoying that everyone has a "spoiler" in their signature?

Not really. A few people change their signature spoilers daily (or it seems like they do), so it's kind of fun to see what they come up with.

Also, mad props to you for having The Cheat as your avatar :E Homestar Runner is the funniest site ever.

 

[Brian Damage]

Lol no its not annoying

... says the guy with a spoiler in his signature...

Yeah, it is kind of getting on my nerves... especially since most of the "spoilers" say much the same thing...

[EDIT]: The Cheat rocks! Mrrh hmm mrrr hnn mhrrr!

 

[Cutey_Kaite]

well, in the pc zone preview, they said that the AI was superb and that it could think for it self...so yea..

 

[KurtCobain]

... says the guy with a spoiler in his signature...

Wos a joke lol , not a very good 1 but still

 

[Lobster]

The E3 demo was scripted, like most rolling game demos, the game itself has the contextual AI working, even the beta has it working (sadly the unfinished maps dont have all the node work done), just some people looked straight for the E3 maps and jumped to conclusions about the entire thing, the tech is there and according to the magazine previews is really looking sweet now, so no worries.

 

[Vegeta897]

I don't really know what you mean by "scripted", the AI in the E3 maps work fine, they don't act the EXACT same way as in the E3 vid, that would be totally scripted.
So, I don't know what you mean by scripted, when I played through the levels, everything worked fine, I purposly did stuff different and the AI reacted fine, in a logical way. They would also, like Valve promised, find cover if the object they were hiding behind was blown away, and in the town level, if I moved the barrel somewhere else, he wouldn't kick the air, but another zombie would kick it if it was in their path, which is awesome.

 

[Apos]

I'm still not convinced that the beta leak was really what people thought it was. Isn't it possible that it was just in part playing the demo events back, because it was pieced together out of demo files rather than all the game code?

 

[Lobster]

Vegeta i know what u mean, i just meant people assumed the AI didnt exist because certain moments were scripted to demonstrate capabilities, the door for instance, its scripted in that case but the stuff IS there and working to do all these cool things.

For instance in HL1 u run into a room and if a zombie couldnt get there, it just stood still and watched you, in Hl2 the zombie walks round the room checking every door, window, physics object , breakable item etc to try and get at u, and never gives up, not to mention the crazy stuff the grunts do to kill u, i cant wait for this baby to release lol

 

[Vegeta897]

I'm still not convinced that the beta leak was really what people thought it was. Isn't it possible that it was just in part playing the demo events back, because it was pieced together out of demo files rather than all the game code?

I don't know, I don't like talking about the beta if's and why's.
It wasn't meant to be released, so let's just turn our heads forward, the SDK is coming out sometime between now and E3, , and Magazines are getting to do exclusive HL2 playtests left and right, HL2 will be release between early June to late July, this is the big moment. As someone said, "The good old days are back"

EDIT: @ Lobster, yes this AI will create some really cool moments whre you just watch them try to get to you, and be amazed at the things they think of to get to you.

 

[RoguePsi]

HL2 could quite easily be one of those games you play over and over again just to do something different each time. In essence, it's like play a different game every time. That can't be bad.

 

[Vegeta897]

HL2 could quite easily be one of those games you play over and over again just to do something different each time. In essence, it's like play a different game every time. That can't be bad.

That's what I am so excited about, not only that, there's also multiplay and mods and EVERYTHING AHHHH!!!!!11

 

[brokenjago]

Jesus Christ. 3 Screenshots and the hype machine has gone rolling- full steam ahead! (pun intended)

And trust me, I'm not complaining.....

But it just makes the wait all the MORE AGONIZING!!!!

 

[Lobster]

3 screenshots? oh u mean todays, ive not seen those yet.

 

[Xtasy0]

the AI is scripted as much as most other games, oh, lets say farcry...

you basically have to tell the ai where it can do things, like tell it where it can hide behind something, tell it where it can climb, give it a bit of a path to roam on, etc..etc there is no ai that really thinks for itself, like if you just make a map, plop down some enimies and then run it, they're not going to do much other than stand and shoot at you. you need to add spots of interest in the map and tell the ai they're there and they can use them/look at them/whatever

 

[manny_c44]

Yeah, the AI is pretty good. I just got to the part where Alyx gave me a stick of gum and I talked. Gordon's voice is pretty boring.

 

[Vegeta897]

Xtasy, you are wrong.

I... made a map for the build, with some physical objects, and a couple combine and NOTHING ELSE. When I ran the map they used the objects as cover on their own, if I moved them they would find new cover, they needed no nodes or hints.
I also made a map with objects and zombies. Nothing else. I made some objects with ranging weights. When the map ran, they would try to kick the objects at me, and, they even tried to kick the heavier ones, and realised they couldn't, so didn't try again.

If that's not cool then slap me.
And note, all this was from a PIECE OF CRAP UNFINISHED BUILD!!
Imagine the stuff that will be possible in the full version!!

 

[Xtasy0]

Xtasy, you are wrong.

I... made a map for the build, with some physical objects, and a couple combine and NOTHING ELSE. When I ran the map they used the objects as cover on their own, if I moved them they would find new cover, they needed no nodes or hints.
I also made a map with objects and zombies. Nothing else. I made some objects with ranging weights. When the map ran, they would try to kick the objects at me, and, they even tried to kick the heavier ones, and realised they couldn't, so didn't try again.

If that's not cool then slap me.
And note, all this was from a PIECE OF CRAP UNFINISHED BUILD!!
Imagine the stuff that will be possible in the full version!!

well farcry specifically has settings to tell the ai that it can hide behind things, hl2 has entities that tell the ai it can hide behind things, none of my ai would move unless i added nodes for them and gave them hints, same with climbing stuff, you need to put a climb hint at the top and bottom of the ladder or whatever for them, so from my experience what i said was accurate, but whatever you did to get it to work, good job.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

GODDAMN YOU ALL! Stop talking I cant take much more of this.I want the game now but I know i cant have it and hearing about how great its gonna be is like multiplying my need to play this game ten fold.I think ill go weep openly.

Sorry for the caps but I wanna play this game so bad.A least this thread isnt as bad as the "What Physics tricks are you gonna do?"That thread made it so much worse.