Oklahoma Full Auto Shoot!!

[Beerdude26]

I prefer non-lethal weapons tbh
/me thinks of LTL Nova Pump shotgun in SWAT 4
It looks sooo satisfying to see an enemy cringe in pain after you shoot him on his cherished six-pack, resulting in extreme pain :E

 

[Icarusintel]

Nice post i found while googling, says it all:



Its not accidents, its murder. Its pretty hard having a "drive-by knifing" if you know what i mean
Although i must say some boyish dreams i have involve owning an MG42 and/or other amazing firearms, upon society its not such a good idea.

ps, compare these numbers with other countries homicide-rates in the developed world...

I'd like to see where they got their information at, as none of it is verified on there.

 

[CptStern]

I agree completely. As amazing and exciting it looks to me, no child should ever be near those firearms let alone be taught to operate them. ****ing retarded weapon culture.

I agree ...but we will never convince americans of that ...they think it's normal. Some of you guys dont realise how incredibly disturbing the image of a child with a gun is. Anyone who says video games are desentizing kids towards violence just needs to see that video ..but for some ****ing insane reason guns are glorified in the US unlike any other country in the world. You are unique in that sense ...sure there's pockets of gun culture but it's not systematic like it is in the US

 

[The Monkey]

what a scum bag for a parent

Agreed. How anyone could think anything else discusts me. Letting a 5-year old (or something like that), use a maschine gun is just ****ed up.

 

[Ome_Vince]

I'd like to see where they got their information at, as none of it is verified on there.

In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

Between 1993-1999, gun deaths in the United States have declined 27%. (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, WISQARS, National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)

In 1999, 58% of all gun deaths were suicides, and 38% were homicides. (SOURCE: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

Of all suicides, 57% occurred by firearm (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQARS), National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)

In 2000, 75,685 people (27/100,000) suffered non-fatal firearm gunshot injuries. (SOURCE: Federal Bureau of Investigation. Uniform Crime Reports for the United States: Crime in the United States 2000: Uniform Crime Reports. Washington, D.C: U.S. Department of Justice; 2001.)


Gun Control Network
I dont have time checking tables, but i quickly glanced through them and i find numbers ranging from 10-20k.
Thats insane....

 

[Razor]

what a scum bag for a parent

A lot of people would say the parents are responsible and loving and introducing and teaching their children about guns and gun safety in a supervised and controlled enviroment. The families most probably have guns at home, so if something were to happen and their 12year old little girl accidently stumbles across it one day, she would know what the gun is capable of, not to fear the gun, how to make the gun safe and put it back where it should be so no one else can find it, informing her parents of what had happened. Same thing if the girl stumbles across the gun in the street, she will have no fear of the gun and would know how to responsibly and safely approach the gun rather then hiding everything from her.

It would also be a hobby that both son/daughter can enjoy with their parents, bringing them closer together as a family. Some people enjoy fishing, some people enjoy shooting, etc.


You could say the same thing about irresponsible, scum bag parents who put on firework displays in their backgarden for their children...a lot of fireworks are more dangerous and more powerful then a hand grenade...you could also say the same for any parent who teaches their child to cook and how to use a knife to cut fruit and vegetable...

It isn't the gun that kills people, it's the improper use of it by untrained people who feel empowered by the gun or criminals, both of which are due to improper training in handling the gun and society and not the gun itself.

 

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

So long as they are used safetly, guns are some of the most fun things in the world.

yes because killing stuff is certainly fun... the only reason why it has become this fun activity is thru the glorification of guns and the human appetite for destruction.

Besides, if more children were taught gun safety at a young age there would be fewer incidents of children accidentally shooting someone. The problem comes when parents neglect to tell them about their firearms and how to safely operate them.

the problem comes from parents having guns in their homes in the first place...

 

[CptStern]

A lot of people would say the parents are responsible and loving and introducing and teaching their children about guns and gun safety in a supervised and controlled enviroment. The families most probably have guns at home, so if something were to happen and their 12year old little girl accidently stumbles across it one day, she would know what the gun is capable of, not to fear the gun, how to make the gun safe and put it back where it should be so no one else can find it, informing her parents of what had happened. Same thing if the girl stumbles across the gun in the street, she will have no fear of the gun and would know how to responsibly and safely approach the gun rather then hiding everything from her.

It would also be a hobby that both son/daughter can enjoy with their parents, bringing them closer together as a family. Some people enjoy fishing, some people enjoy shooting, etc.


You could say the same thing about irresponsible, scum bag parents who put on firework displays in their backgarden for their children...a lot of fireworks are more dangerous and more powerful then a hand grenade...you could also say the same for any parent who teaches their child to cook and how to use a knife to cut fruit and vegetable...

It isn't the gun that kills people, it's the improper use of it by untrained people who feel empowered by the gun or criminals, both of which are due to improper training in handling the gun and society and not the gun itself.

yes because all little girls should be trained in military weapons just in case someday she accidentily finds an M-60 lying in the middle of the street. Training little girls in instruments of death that would turn a living being into a spray of crimson is part of growing up and should be required teaching in kindergarden

 

[Ome_Vince]

yes because all little girls should be trained in military weapons just in case someday she accidentily finds an M-60 lying in the middle of the street.

ROFL!!!! haha so true.
Agree'd -> right now im a nervous around guns and probably would be a little "shocked" at first when people fire guns near me, not to mention piss my pants when somebody fires AT ME...
Personally i find that a healthy attitude towards weapons of death!
I've seen and experienced alot of violance but gun violance is scary, as its the ultimate weapon of death!

Imo that girl should be scared of that gun + sound instead of playing with it like a toy "pow pow eat this".

Guns belong in the army, you like guns? join the army

Nevertheless like i said its the little demon of coolness that tells me : "man i'd love to go at it with that M60 or minigun on such a field"
But, kids should not be there, they dont need to know the world of guns, or be confronted with it.

 

[MiccyNarc]

WTF is wrong with a little girl blowing crap up?

Yeah so it's a big gun, no one is being hurt by it, it's a safe environment.

yes because killing stuff is certainly fun... the only reason why it has become this fun activity is thru the glorification of guns and the human appetite for destruction.

And activities like the one in the video are completely harmless, providing people a safe outlet for aggression.
That's how I use video games, instead of going out and punching someone in the face because I'm pissed off, I sit down in front of the computer and blow up virtual targets.

Nothing wrong with that.

But apparently the only reaction everyone wants is
"OMG GUNS TEH BAD!!!!1!!!1111!1 L OLL ERGATES!!"

 

[The Monkey]

WTF is wrong with a little girl blowing crap up?

Yeah so it's a big gun, no one is being hurt by it, it's a safe environment.

And activities like the one in the video are completely harmless, providing people a safe outlet for aggression.
That's how I use video games, instead of going out and punching someone in the face because I'm pissed off, I sit down in front of the computer and blow up virtual targets.

Nothing wrong with that.

But apparently the only reaction everyone wants is
"OMG GUNS TEH BAD!!!!1!!!1111!1 L OLL ERGATES!!"

The differance is that they're teaching a kid how to kill another human being. Surely there're better ways to connect to your daughter? This is just sickening, to say the least.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Once guns are seen as "ah well no problem lets have some everyday fun" your more likely to use them in everyday life or whatever your pissed at.
Like a basballbat is a normal everyday thing, the worst i can do is club somebody with it.
Accidents happen but also deliberate actions, and with a gun there's a super-high chance its lethal..
With guns, especially military guns, any idea what kind of damage you can inflict "in a red rage of anger at your neighbour"?
Numbers dont lie, and im betting 7/10 gunshot kills in the US are acts of a short anger or rage, which is regreted later on.. Is a human life worth so little that we prefer this liberty over it?
If guns are seen as "OMG GUNS TEH BAD!!!!1!!!1111!1 L OLL ERGATES!!", regular people are less likely to buy one, let alone use one...
9/10 civilians wont even know how to use one even if they wanted to..

I could even imagine people wanting to have Rifle's for hunting or whatever, but cmon military weapons??? Machineguns???

Its all fun to watch and i wish i could go at it once , but im glad my society forbids those things or ALOT more people would die each year. People that now only get a "beating" would then get a "bullet"....

 

[MiccyNarc]

The differance is that they're teaching a kid how to kill another human being. Surely there're better ways to connect to your daughter? This is just sickening, to say the least.

They're teaching a kid how to blow up a robotic car in a controlled firing range.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

To me, it's not the fact that she's using a gun that's frightening, it's how young she is. Guns are like alcohol - enjoy them responsibly - which is why in the UK there's an age restriction of 18 on booze. I think the same way about guns. They're fun, but inherantly dangerous. Giving a 5-year old a gun is like giving a five year old a bottle of scotch and saying "Yeah, scotch is great fun [well, it is] and I want you to drink this". It's just wrong.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

They're teaching a kid how to blow up a robotic car in a controlled firing range.

they're teaching kids that it's fun blowing and shooting things up. and thereby feeding the general appetite for destruction.

it's sadly a worldwide psycosis, we've all played war as as kids for fun, go into any toy store and a huge part of the "boys"-toys are guns or other forms of future-present-or-past-military equipment. I'm not exactly sure why people seem to pass stuff like this onto kids as bing acceptable or fun... to prepare them for the real world? kids mimicking adults? I dunno but I wonder if we haven't entered a vicious cycle here were adults fight wars because it wasn't exactly dettered in an early stage.

 

[Raziaar]

Dude, I posted this exact same thing in the videos thread.

lol


EDIT: http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1718547&postcount=87

 

[K e r b e r o s]

yes because all little girls should be trained in military weapons

Well, Palestine thinks so:

http://www.openfire.us/blog/archives/images/2004/hamas-human-shields-thumb.jpg - Training children to be human shields for snipers

http://randomnumbers.us/wp-content/photos/Hamas.jpg - To graphic to show, but still, its a ritual where Palestinians gather around Israeli settlers and soldiers, and tear out their organs as trophies

http://avpv.***********/Kids4.jpg - Hamas training young girl to fight

 

[h00dlum]

I think its absurd to let a little girl fire a ****ing machine gun...

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Thats okay, girls around the world her age are using AK47's in Africa:

... refrains from posting pictures ... is in public place.

 

[Steve]

yeah i'd say a 30cal is a "little over the top" if you're refering to "gun safety".
A regular person/kid does not need to know how military weapons fire, and/or have experience with them

Well, yeah. I'll give you that.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

yeah i'd say a 30cal is a "little over the top" if you're refering to "gun safety".

Gun Saftey at 500rpms? No, thats not gun saftey. Thats an education in firepower! Hyuck Hyuck! *banjos play in the distance*

 

[Raziaar]

Gun Saftey at 500rpms? No, thats not gun saftey. Thats an education in firepower! Hyuck Hyuck! *banjos play in the distance*

I've got blisters on these fingers!

 

[Steve]

Gun Saftey at 500rpms? No, thats not gun saftey. Thats an education in firepower! Hyuck Hyuck! *banjos play in the distance*

Every time somebody says something like that, I take it as a personal insult. Please stop.

 

[The Monkey]

I've got blisters on these fingers!

I've got blisters on me fingers!

*Corrected

 

[OvA]

Every time somebody says something like that, I take it as a personal insult. Please stop.

Eh, I've learned to deal with it.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I agree completely. As amazing and exciting it looks to me, no child should ever be near those firearms let alone be taught to operate them. ****ing retarded weapon culture.

You're a fool. You NEED to teach children how to be safe around firearms at a young age. The reason gun tragedies happen is when they DON'T know how to be safe around them.

A lot of people would say the parents are responsible and loving and introducing and teaching their children about guns and gun safety in a supervised and controlled enviroment. The families most probably have guns at home, so if something were to happen and their 12year old little girl accidently stumbles across it one day, she would know what the gun is capable of, not to fear the gun, how to make the gun safe and put it back where it should be so no one else can find it, informing her parents of what had happened. Same thing if the girl stumbles across the gun in the street, she will have no fear of the gun and would know how to responsibly and safely approach the gun rather then hiding everything from her.

It would also be a hobby that both son/daughter can enjoy with their parents, bringing them closer together as a family. Some people enjoy fishing, some people enjoy shooting, etc.


You could say the same thing about irresponsible, scum bag parents who put on firework displays in their backgarden for their children...a lot of fireworks are more dangerous and more powerful then a hand grenade...you could also say the same for any parent who teaches their child to cook and how to use a knife to cut fruit and vegetable...

It isn't the gun that kills people, it's the improper use of it by untrained people who feel empowered by the gun or criminals, both of which are due to improper training in handling the gun and society and not the gun itself.

QFTMFT.

Stern with your accusation earlier in the thread it has struck a nerve, my parents essentially did the same when I was little and to you they're scum bags. That's insulting, you couldn't find two more loving and caring people, who've done everything they can to make sure I have a damn good life. You don't even know that man, you cannot say he is a scumbag. :|

 

[Vegeta897]

Nice post Razor.

I'm honestly suprised at Stern, a great arguer indeed, for not thinking it through and just seeing the guns and kids and going with his instinct, which is of course an insult.

 

[Flyingdebris]

Am i the only one that senses the horrible dripping irony here?

We are all fans of FPS games here. Games where we go and play with virtual guns and riddle shit with bullets and blow stuff up for our personal amusement. The people in this video are gun enthusiasts who like to go into a monitered safe environment with real guns and riddle shit with bullets and blow stuff up for their amusement.

And people are saying that they shouldn't. I call bullshit.

If you don't think people should be allowed to have fun with weapons at a machinegun shoot then you don't deserve to play FPS games.

And you know what, I think its great that a father can teach his little girl to fire/maintain/and know about guns. She'll have a healthy respect for what they can do and she'll be in a better position to defend herself and keep her head in an emergency situation involving guns. Better than being ignorant by a long shot.

 

[DeusExMachina]

The automatic machine gun is a little...too much if you ask me. I mean seriously, a pistol or a rifle shooting contest with your father ok...but a goddamn .30 caliber fully automatic high powered machine gun? Do you really need to teach your daughter how to fire that?

God I can't wait to join the NRA.

 

[CptStern]

Nice post Razor.

I'm honestly suprised at Stern, a great arguer indeed, for not thinking it through and just seeing the guns and kids and going with his instinct, which is of course an insult.

I bet I could show that video to dozens of parents and they would be horrified ..to you people it's perfectly norma because the US worships the gun culturel but to the rest of the world it's completely inappropriate to instruct a child in the use of an instrument of death

would you let a child play with knives? or poison? or fire? ...why is this any different? what if they gun misfired and she was injured or worse killed ..the parents would be charged with negligence causing bodily harm and would most likely do jail time or at the very least lose custody of whatever other children they may have (till a proper assessment is made)

 

[Glirk Dient]

I bet I could show that video to dozens of parents and they would be horrified ..to you people it's perfectly norma because the US worships the gun culturel but to the rest of the world it's completely inappropriate to instruct a child in the use of an instrument of death

would you let a child play with knives? or poison? or fire? ...why is this any different? what if they gun misfired and she was injured or worse killed ..the parents would be charged with negligence causing bodily harm and would most likely do jail time or at the very least lose custody of whatever other children they may have (till a proper assessment is made)

Cub scouts are given knives here in the states and instructed on their proper use...is that wrong. It is an instrument of death as well.

One thing to note stern...in that video the guns were being used for entertainment. While they can kill they can also be fun.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I bet I could show that video to dozens of parents and they would be horrified ..to you people it's perfectly norma because the US worships the gun culturel but to the rest of the world it's completely inappropriate to instruct a child in the use of an instrument of death

BIG BAD AMERICA COMING TO SPREAD FASCISM AND CAPITALISM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

 

[Steve]

I bet I could show that video to dozens of parents and they would be horrified ..to you people it's perfectly norma because the US worships the gun culturel

I want to know where you're getting this idea from. We hold our right to bear arms sacred, that doesn't mean we worship guns!

 

[Vegeta897]

would you let a child play with knives? or poison? or fire? ...why is this any different?

"Let them play"? What the hell are you talking about? Does it look like the parents are just giving them machine guns and letting them go wild?

Jesus christ, this is education for safety. And yes, I would educate my child on the dangers of knives, poison, and fire, and know what to do when in a situation involving them. "Let them play"? I have no idea where you get that from, because they are not "playing" in that video. Notice the adult standing inches away from the child and correct the child when they shoot astray or something.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I bet I could show that video to dozens of parents and they would be horrified ..to you people it's perfectly norma because the US worships the gun culturel but to the rest of the world it's completely inappropriate to instruct a child in the use of an instrument of death

would you let a child play with knives? or poison? or fire? ...why is this any different? what if they gun misfired and she was injured or worse killed ..the parents would be charged with negligence causing bodily harm and would most likely do jail time or at the very least lose custody of whatever other children they may have (till a proper assessment is made)

You're crazy. No one is going to take kids away for something like this. They are being safe and the gun is not going to 'misfire.' What are you implying it would do? Magically bend the barrel backwards and shoot the child in the face?

 

[CptStern]

BIG BAD AMERICA COMING TO SPREAD FASCISM AND CAPITALISM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

yes because that's exactly what I said :upstare:

I want to know where you're getting this idea from. We hold our right to bear arms sacred, that doesn't mean we worship guns!

gun culture in itself implies worship or admiring something or having no fear of ..it's a common phrase

"Let them play"? What the hell are you talking about? Does it look like the parents are just giving them machine guns and letting them go wild?

yes focus on that one word and ignore all else. The parents would be held responsible if something were to happen ..it is inescapable

You're crazy. No one is going to take kids away for something like this.

yes because you know this as you've worked with social worlers in the past and know how these things work. First of all I never said they would taken away. I stipulated that they would probably be put into foster care or in the care of a relative till an investigation is made. It is standard procedure in most jurisdictions. Second ...I'm not crazy :E

They are being safe and the gun is not going to 'misfire.' What are you implying it would do? Magically bend the barrel backwards and shoot the child in the face?

yes because there's never been any gun related accidents

 

[Steve]

would you let a child play with knives? or poison? or fire? ...why is this any different? what if they gun misfired and she was injured or worse killed ..the parents would be charged with negligence causing bodily harm and would most likely do jail time or at the very least lose custody of whatever other children they may have (till a proper assessment is made)

What if somebody crashed a car into another car? OH MY GOD! IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! And parents still let their teenagers drive.

 

[DeusExMachina]

yes because that's exactly what I said :upstare:

:thumbs:

 

[Vegeta897]

yes focus on that one word and ignore all else. The parents would be held responsible if something were to happen ..it is inescapable

I'm sorry you're going to have to explain your self a little more, maybe you should focus on all of my post instead of that one part, because I had some important stuff I wanted you to hear, about educating the kids on dangerous things to prevent bad stuff from happening.

 

[CptStern]

What if somebody crashed a car into another car? OH MY GOD! IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! And parents still let their teenagers drive.

come on man, you know as well as I do it's not the same thing