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There was some talk over here in the UK recently about a family that had to move home because the Paedophile that had lived on their street and abused their 7 year old daughter was released from prison after just 8 months and was free to continue living in his home!!!


I dont know if anyone can be a liberal on a subject like this but I know for a fact that if this happened to your child/younger brother or sister or whomever it would be a totally different story.

8 months! Goddamm! I knew the judiciary were a liberal bunch of old rich men who dont live in the real world but 8 months! That takes the biscuit it really does.


If I were Prime Minister here's what I would propose:

In my mind any crime against children whether it is sexual or physical abuse is worse than its equivalent as if it were committed by an adult against another adult.

Sexual crimes against children are the worst there are. Right now in the UK you can be hung for High Treason and High Treason only. Not Murder, Not Rape and not the sexual molestation of a child. This is a national disgrace. A Law exists on the statute books stating it is ok to hang someone if they attempt to say kill the Queen, or pass intelligence secrets to other foregin intelligence agencies, but someone who sexually molests a child gets 8 months in prison?
Can anyone else see where we are going wrong when these are our priorities. The Government spends millions of pounds pursuing and harrassing ex-intelligence officers from MI5/6 all over the world for breaking the official secrets act yet for a young girl of 7 years who is sexually molested and attacked and raped by a paedpophile we give them 8 months? Can anyone tell me what is wrong here?

What we need are public executions for paedophiles. What we need is legalised torture and rape against paedophiles. We need to reduce paedophiles to a broken shell and break their minds. All the experience of our security agencies in psychological warfare and torture needs to be brought to bear on these sickos for years upon years on end until they are reduced to a slavering shadow of a human being. Only then do we start on the physical torture - thumbscrews, eye gougings, deafenings, labotomies, castration, amputations, bone breaking, every imaginable form of inhumane torture needs to be brought to bear.

Then and only then do we end it for them. Not only that - but we make their families watch them die. We let them die as they killed - taken, abused, strangled, stabbed whatever they did to their victims should be returned to them 10 times over, and the heartache should be constant and sharp. This should serve as a warning to other sickos.

The kind of sickos who would rape an 8 month old baby as it lay ill in hospital (happened here in the UK) - the kind of sickos who would destroy a young female's reproductive organs before she is physically ready for intercourse ruining any chance of a normal life, or children.

The kind of sickos who would steal away a child as they sleep in their beds and night and subject them to torture, rape and death.

The kind of sickos who would have no qualms in destroying a child's life - the rest of YOUR child's life simply to satisfy their perverted sexual lust.


We need the iron fist of the state to come down hard on these sub humans - these unter-menschen. Only then will the rest see that the risks are too great, the costs too great - and if they do not we shall not rest until every last one of their stinking carcasses has been dealt with and incinerated.

The one good thing Hitler did was dealing with people like this in the way he did. We need people to stand up and say I am not afraid to deal out torture and punishment to these kind of fiends. People with strong stomachs and steadfast hearts - knowing they are doing the right thing. We cannot cure these animals it has been proven time and again, and prison is no deterrent to them - they are simply segregated to protect their wellbeing. What about the wellbeing of the little child you raped and killed you sick ****?

The sickos exist at all levels of our society - it is not just the poor, uneducated psychopaths who commit these deeds:

Army Generals
Senior Police Officers
Teachers
Businessmen
Movie Moguls
Social Workers

And every other walk of life - it is a disease in the very fabric of every nation - a disease that needs to be ripped out and burnt away until the very ashes of it evaporate.

Who is with me! :p
 
Your overall impact was somewhat hampered when you tried to pin this on liberals.
 
Cons Himself said:
I dont know if anyone can be a liberal on a subject like this but I know for a fact that if this happened to your child/younger brother or sister or whomever it would be a totally different story.
Being liberal doesn't necessarily mean accepting it. I personally hold the view that much of what governs human sexuality is on a biological level - nature makes you a certain way and you're seriously screwed over when it gets it wrong. Paedophilia is a disgusting birth defect, yet because of that, it is surely something over which the Paedophile has no control. Sure they're f**king sick, but if it isn't their fault, is it ethically correct to just go around killing them? These people are effectively mental patients who should be locked away (though not necessarily in a "lock them up and throw away the key" way). Should they be executed? No.

The major problem I personally have with the Paedophila debate is:

The Daily Mail.

Seriously. As soon as something appears in that arse-wipeatron of a newspaper, it loses all credability with me. The attitude to Paedophiles in the UK at the moment is that they're some kind of epidemic, crawling out of the walls. If Padeophilia was such an all present danger it would not be in the Newspapers. The Media is a piece of crap, It thrives on disgusting events, but ones which are extremely statistically unlikely to ever effect the average person. The resulting hysteria on this subject is creating societal problems. At the very worst, what are we teaching our kids when molestation makes the frontpage so often? (even though it is statistically quite unlikely). This isn't a case of a simple cautionary tale - it must scare the shit out of kids and it scares any impressionable minds into thinking that Paedophiles are everywhere. People can't film school plays anymore because they're automatically suspected to be weirdos perving over the video when they get it home in their VCR. People are deathly afraid of any contact with other people's children because of the Paedo-hysteria in our country.

Sexual crimes against children are the worst there are.
Errr... no they're not. Whilst infinitely disgusting, there have been acts 40 million times worse in human history.

Right now in the UK you can be hung for High Treason and High Treason only. Not Murder, Not Rape and not the sexual molestation of a child. This is a national disgrace. A Law exists on the statute books stating it is ok to hang someone if they attempt to say kill the Queen, or pass intelligence secrets to other foregin intelligence agencies, but someone who sexually molests a child gets 8 months in prison?
The murder of the queen is a funny little artifact of our imperial heritage that no-one can be bothered to actually get rid of: It's extremely unlikely anyone would be able to commit it, and, along with the "Queen can kill anyone she likes" law, it would probably be overturned in the event that it was actually committed. Notwithstanding that, acts of High Treason potentially endanger the lives or wellbeing of hundreds, thousands or millions of people. Such wide-ranging effect isn't comparable to the sad effects of child molestation.

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Edit: Oh and http://www.answers.com/high+treason&r=67
"Today, however, cases of treason are rare; the maximum punishment is life imprisonment."
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Sorry, but your post does sound a bit too much like a sensationalistic gutter press editorial to actually have me agreeing to it. Sure: Child Molestation = Bad, but don't blow it up to be some kind of epidemic. A culture of fear formed by the suposed massive presence of Paedophilia is as dangerous as the actual presence of that threat.
 
Looks like some one was abused when young...

I think you are a 100% right, children are angels, perfect creatures who shouldn't be corrupted by the adults.
 
Do you know why crimes aren't punished to the full extent? Think about the innocent. The framed ones. Not exactly fair to them. You can't take chances like that.

What if you were framed for paedophilia? What would you think of all those acts you proposed?

(First post in Politics section... This is probably a dumb argument :p)
 
What he said, but also: please don't start bring US-style rhetoric into British political dialogue. I'm talking about using 'liberal' as a catch-all for anything that goes against a certain set of viewpoints.
 
Listen kupo don't be a retard. These sickos know what is right and what is wrong - they may get horrible yearnings to go out there and have sex with small children...OK, does it mean they have to act on it? No of course it doesn't. And it isn't as uncommon as you may think - these are taken from the Met's website:

Some 90,000 children a year come to the notice of police Child Abuse Investigation Units;

The Child Abuse Investigation Command investigates over 15,000 allegations of crime against children each year;

Approximately 26,500 children a year are taken into police protection

And those are just the cases we know about.


And sexual crimes against children ARE the worst there are. There is nothing worse. Go on name something. And dont pop up claiming the holocaust - the holocaust was evil sure, but the WORST fact about the Holocaust was the fact that the Nazis gassed and abused young children and babies without qualms - just as Paedophiles have no qualms.


And im just putting forward my solution to the problem: sure, it isnt about to threaten our Western way of Life or anything, but we do need a solution when disgusting sickos are getting 8 months in a cushy jail seperated from the other criminals.



PS - we've had Richard Tomlinson, David Shayler and Peter Wright among others including many defections to the Russians - I havent seen bodycounts of hundreds of thousands or millions, unless I missed something during the last 20 years....
 
Cons Himself said:
And im just putting forward my solution to the problem: sure, it isnt about to threaten our Western way of Life or anything, but we do need a solution when disgusting sickos are getting 8 months in a cushy jail seperated from the other criminals.

Right, and execution is the answer then?
 
Nope - torture both physical and mental, followed by execution is the answer.
 
kupoartist said:
The Daily Mail.

Seriously. As soon as something appears in that arse-wipeatron of a newspaper, it loses all credability with me. The attitude to Paedophiles in the UK at the moment is that they're some kind of epidemic, crawling out of the walls. If Padeophilia was such an all present danger it would not be in the Newspapers. The Media is a piece of crap, It thrives on disgusting events, but ones which are extremely statistically unlikely to ever effect the average person. The resulting hysteria on this subject is creating societal problems. At the very worst, what are we teaching our kids when molestation makes the frontpage so often? (even though it is statistically quite unlikely). This isn't a case of a simple cautionary tale - it must scare the shit out of kids and it scares any impressionable minds into thinking that Paedophiles are everywhere. People can't film school plays anymore because they're automatically suspected to be weirdos perving over the video when they get it home in their VCR. People are deathly afraid of any contact with other people's children because of the Paedo-hysteria in our country.

I totally agree with you, 30 years ago you never heard the word peadophile, not because they didn't exist, its because there wasn't a word for them!

A few streets away from me, there is an old man, the kind that everyone calls the dirty old man or "Peado" etc, every week, his house is tagged, or egged, or his windows are smashed in, his dog was killed, mostly because of his "peado" reputation, I am not saying that if he is a peadophile, he should go un-punished, but people get influenced by the media and go crazy.
 
Shodan said:
I totally agree with you, 30 years ago you never heard the word peadophile, not because they didn't exist, its because there wasn't a word for them!

A few streets away from me, there is an old man, the kind that everyone calls the dirty old man or "Peado" etc, every week, his house is tagged, or egged, or his windows are smashed in, his dog was killed, mostly because of his "peado" reputation, I am not saying that if he is a peadophile, he should go un-punished, but people get influenced by the media and go crazy.

Yes those kind of people are called Chavs. You must live in a Chavvy area. Gunned.


I for one would derive great personal pleasure from torturing a paedophile - only if it was legalised of course :p
 
Cons Himself said:
Nope - torture both physical and mental, followed by execution is the answer.

I fail to see what this achieves.
 
Cons Himself said:
I for one would derive great personal pleasure from torturing a paedophile - only if it was legalised of course :p

Well then you are as wrong in the head as a paedophile is.
 
Not really - its a fair and just punishment for the suffering they needlessly inflict on small children.

and it achieves two things:

a. It will be a better deterrent and a more just punishment than 8 months in a CAT B.
b. Eventually we 'gotta catch em all' :)
 
Murray_H said:
Well then you are as wrong in the head as a paedophile is.
QFT, this thread is beginning to scare me, first pedophiles, then probably people who like DX:IW.
 
its disgusting...and it the ****s up the kid it happens too
for example I have a friedn shes 16 now she cuts herself walks around likes shes already dead and most boys/men she meets
You wannna know why she is like that? she would never admitt it but I know why and so do other friends her step dad "touched" her while she was 7 and totally ****ed up her head
 
In New Zealand, this guy who was a convicted peadophile, he was released, got chased outta a rural town by the community, who put big signs up in front of his house, protested etc etc, why dont they do that sort of thing??

Give him shit for a change.
 
Cons Himself said:
Nope - torture both physical and mental, followed by execution is the answer.
That's inhuman. You're lowering yourself to their level.
 
Cons Himself said:
Listen kupo don't be a retard.
Great to know your arguement is off to a purely good and logical start. I can already see this being as tiresome as most arguements I've got in recently. This sort of thing makes me really reluctant to press the send button sometimes. *yawn*. Oh, after such an award winning start you made some actual points? Lets see...

Cons Himself said:
These sickos know what is right and what is wrong - they may get horrible yearnings to go out there and have sex with small children...OK, does it mean they have to act on it? No of course it doesn't.
Do they all act on it? No. Do those that do act on it inevitably get caught and sent to prison? Probably Yes.

And it isn't as uncommon as you may think - these are taken from the Met's website:

Some 90,000 children a year come to the notice of police Child Abuse Investigation Units;

The Child Abuse Investigation Command investigates over 15,000 allegations of crime against children each year;

Approximately 26,500 children a year are taken into police protection

And those are just the cases we know about.
You are a tabloid journalist right? These figures just scream it. "Come to the notice of" "Allegations" "taken into police protection". Lovely. How about convictions? Figures of the crime actually taking place, not just claims that they took place? One of the biggest paedophile cases mobilised of recent times turned out recently to be completely false, a wild goose chase.

Also, why are the 3 figures so vastly apart? Aren't they just 3 different figures for exactly the same thing? Then Also a feature of Tabloid journalisistic bullcrapery: "big" numbers. Wonder why those numbers are presented raw? Because even 90,000 children isn't even 1% of Children in the UK and 15,000 is only marginally over 0.1% of children in the UK.

And as for "And those are just the cases we know about." well, since those are the cases we don't even know whether are true claims or not...

And sexual crimes against children ARE the worst there are. There is nothing worse. Go on name something. And dont pop up claiming the holocaust -

the holocaust was evil sure, but the WORST fact about the Holocaust was the fact that the Nazis gassed and abused young children and babies without qualms - just as Paedophiles have no qualms.
Yeah, and?

Your arguement was that "Sexual crimes against children are the worst there are". That means everything from a guy flashing his privates at a group of children to mass atrocities such as the rape of Children in war. The gassing of children does not come under that, and the number of recorded instances of abuse of Children in Nazi Concentration camps pales to the overall figure of how many people died there. Both things are monstorously terrible, but can the genocide of millions of people really be said to be a lesser crime than the sexual abuse of a handful of them?

Take 9/11. Can you name a single instance of "Sexual Crimes against Children" that is comparable to the murder of thousands of people?

And im just putting forward my solution to the problem: sure, it isnt about to threaten our Western way of Life or anything, but we do need a solution when disgusting sickos are getting 8 months in a cushy jail seperated from the other criminals.
As a Paedophile, this guy is an exception to the public norm. With a sentance of 8 Months, this guy is also an exception in that he was given a stupidly short sentance. This guy is an exception to an exception: that glows red hot on a media scale of news values. I can't pretend to know the specifics of the case (I usually skim over such stories) but it seems that all we know is that guy has "sexually abused" this girl. "Sexual Abuse" is an umbrella term for a wide range of horrid acts, which nontheless range from minor to unspeakably terrible offences. One person convicted for "Sexual Abuse" going under for 8 months and another going under for life imprisonment may not be so bizarre if so many different things are grouped under a single term.

PS - we've had Richard Tomlinson, David Shayler and Peter Wright among others including many defections to the Russians - I havent seen bodycounts of hundreds of thousands or millions, unless I missed something during the last 20 years....
Just because something doesn't happen doesn't make it any less wrong that it could have happened. If I shoot you in the head and you miraculously emerge from the hospital none the worse for having a bullet penetrate your skull, I shouldn't hope to be let off by virtue of the fact that you didn't die when you were supposed to. Whilst the cases you point to were probably not quite as severe (their defection wasn't as likely to cause the event that didn't happen), this is the very nature of law. Tightening laws only makes them so much more difficult to enforce when the worse case scenario does happen.

Shodan said:
A few streets away from me, there is an old man, the kind that everyone calls the dirty old man or "Peado" etc, every week, his house is tagged, or egged, or his windows are smashed in, his dog was killed, mostly because of his "peado" reputation, I am not saying that if he is a peadophile, he should go un-punished, but people get influenced by the media and go crazy.
Quite. I recall the hysteria over the widespread use of the name and the anecdotal (perhaps not true) tales of how paedotricans and the like were attacked by the exceptionally thick.
 
Let me just say something. First of all I think forced and destructive pedophillia is one of the worst things one human being can do to another human being. But the most damage when it occurs is caused by society. Belive it or not all children are curious about sexuality, and since facts and information is held back from children makes them feel like this human instinct is bad. It makes them hate themselves and it starts huge metal complexes. Societies oppression has a an very mentaly damaging effect on the child, more so then the actual phisical act when the pedofillia occurs.
 
yet another stupid human problem, what the hell is a paedophile trying to achieve?
Sexual pleasure from a child, more pointless than with an adult and of course suffering caused to the child which is not good.

Why can't everyone be like me, there would be no problems then.

A parents instinct is to protect a childs mental and physical welfare, both are at extreme risk of damage from contact with a paedophile, a paedophile is therefore a danger and parental instinct should be to remove the threat.
.......kill them.
 
short recoil said:
yet another stupid human problem, what the hell is a paedophile trying to achieve?
Sexual pleasure from a child, more pointless than with an adult and of course suffering caused to the child which is not good.

Why can't everyone be like me, there would be no problems then.

A parents instinct is to protect a childs mental and physical welfare, both are at extreme risk of damage from contact with a paedophile, a paedophile is therefore a danger and parental instinct should be to remove the threat.
.......kill them.

what, have no emotional feelings whatsoever?

and yeah, kill them or life in prison.
 
short recoil said:
Why can't everyone be like me, there would be no problems then.

The human race would die out within a generation.

trizzm said:
please, please. liberals are thieves, have a WACKED set of personal values, and could care less if child were molested as long as they don't have to pay taxes for the costs of prisons.

there is absolutely nothing wrong in saying "liberal" just as you would say "asshole" or "imbecile".

please also note that EVERY non-liberal will agree.

And we have a winner! Please, be one of the few who have been honored with my prized "Shut The **** Up" award.
 
15357 said:
what, have no emotional feelings whatsoever?

and yeah, kill them or life in prison.
Why do you think i have no emotions?
Is it because i think very analytically and straight foward?

I tell you now i certainly have emotions, i'm a lot more sensetive to emotions than most people.

Anyway, i will not argue about this, the discussion is about the problems of paedophiles.
 
yeah, short recoil, you said you didn't want children, that's why the rest of the world isn't like you, we are interested in curing the problems of humanity and understand that withstanding from reproduction is not a solution.

believe me I DON'T want children as it stands, but in the course of the passing years I will end up in wanting one because it is my duty to give creation to a pair of eyes and ears to see and hear the beauties of this world that I have had the pleasure to experience just like I did, which I was able to because my father chose to give me that possibility.

but this is my philosophy of balance and not everyone has to agree with it.

as for paedophiles, how one is not beaten and raped to death with a rake on sight once he has been proved guilty, totally eludes me.
 
trizzm said:
yeah, short recoil, you said you didn't want children, that's why the rest of the world isn't like you, we are interested in curing the problems of humanity and understand that withstanding from reproduction is not a solution.

believe me I DON'T want children as it stands, but in the course of the passing years I will end up in wanting one because it is my duty to give creation to a pair of eyes and ears to see and hear the beauties of this world that I have had the pleasure to experience just like I did, which I was able to because my father chose to give me that possibility.

but this is my philosophy of balance and not everyone has to agree with it.
Ok, we all have our own goals and values, i will not argue against any.

It is all about doing whats best for you, a paedophile does what he wants to do, he has to sum up the risk, other people will not want him to do that act to protect their children, if they want a death penalty to discourage paedophiles and protect their children so be it, as long as they have the power to do so.
 
They may get caught and sent to prison but when we see longer sentences being handed out for adult rape or murder then we know something is going wrong somewhere - and you can't judge a crime in terms of simply numbers killed -1 death is as bad as 1000 you know, and what counts is the manner in which people are killed - a child being raped, split open by a paedophile, probably kept prisoner for a long time before being killed, starved to death whatever. there can be nothing worse than this and the ones who perpetrate these acts need to see that we as a society are not afraid to be heavy handed here.

Like I said we need to put these people through what they put their victims through and then some. Only then can we have justice. When every stinking paedophile is pushing up daisys.

And kupo you are kidding yourself if you think all paedophiles get sent to prison. The fact that there are abuser networks still out there prooves you wrong.

And tell me how Tomlinson, Shayler, Wright could have led to mass casualties in these countries: their books were released, yet nothing untoward has happened to us. Yet the UK Government spent millions upon millions of taxpayers money chasing them round the world with Special Branch, and prosecuting them under the OSA. Uselsee, just useess counter-argument. You obviously have no specialised knowledge on this so don't try and claim it ;)
 
Yes! We must use Nazi tried and tested ways to get rid of the undesirables! To hell with civilization and decency! Who needs them anyway, when there are these sickos in our society?!

Heck, let's dig up that list of pedophiles the media published, find their homes and paint "P IS FOR PERVERT" all over their windows! We don't need court trials, or evidence! Just good old witchburnings? You disagree?!

MAYBE YOU'RE ONE OF THEM!
 
trizzm said:
as for paedophiles, how one is not beaten and raped to death with a rake on sight once he has been proved guilty, totally eludes me.

that's the shit im talking about - see, there are other people out there who would gladly see this done if not even do it themselves.
 
And thank God the law keeps such people in their place.
 
Kangy said:
Yes! We must use Nazi tried and tested ways to get rid of the undesirables! To hell with civilization and decency! Who needs them anyway, when there are these sickos in our society?!

Heck, let's dig up that list of pedophiles the media published, find their homes and paint "P IS FOR PERVERT" all over their windows! We don't need court trials, or evidence! Just good old witchburnings? You disagree?!

MAYBE YOU'RE ONE OF THEM!

Convicted paedophiles need to die and suffer at the hands of the state. No one is talking about taking Rebekah Wade's dodgy list from when Murdoch had her at the Screws of the World and taking that as gospel.

And calling someone a Nazi for wanting to get rid of paedophiles is an insult to the memory of the Jews, Slavs, Homosexuals, Romany Gypsies and others who were massacred for no good reason. Be careful.
 
Absinthe said:
And thank God the law keeps such people in their place.

Thank God Switzerland is surrounded by countries with the balls to actually protect Europe.
 
Hey, I think you're the one who wasn't joking what they expressed their to desire use Nazi coined terms and methods here, not me. Wanting to punish pedophiles doesn't make you a Nazi, I never said that. What I was trying to convey was that I thought your plans for those believed to be guilty were bordering on the very same tactics the Nazis used to turn the Jewish, Gypsie and ethnic commmunities into Public Enemy #1.

Edit: Wow, real rational thinking there. When you can't argue your point, revert to unrelated insults!
 
Cons Himself said:
Thank God Switzerland is surrounded by countries with the balls to actually protect Europe.

Luckily for me, that entirely unrelated attack means nothing to me since I'm not Swiss. All it's done is expose your jackass nature. :)
 
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