Palm is pathetic

[xcellerate]

Apple changed its software to block the Pre’s access to iTunes. Now Palm is calling foul and is trying to rally the consumer electronics industry to its defense. Palm says that Apple, which allows only its own devices to connect directly with iTunes software, is misusing the standards put in place to foster interoperability between computers and devices using a U.S.B. connection.

So apple spends millions of dollars and thousands of man hours developing the most successful music distribution system in the world and you (the competitor) are upset they won't let you use THEIR property to sell your competing phone? waaaaahhhh

But Palm says its strategy of masquerading as an iPod is acceptable because it is in response to Apple’s restriction. “We think we are consistent with our compliance,” said Douglas B. Luftman, an associate general counsel for Palm, “we’re not trying to appear to be anything we’re not."

yea...except you are.

Mr. Purdy, the analyst, described Apple’s decision to thwart Palm’s working with iTunes as “shooting themselves in the foot.”

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, iTunes is not some open source program that's free for the entire world to use. This is APPLE'S program, they designed it, built it, marketed it, and they can do what ever they want with it and I wish they would brick every palm pre that tries to connect to it because it's unbelievable that palm honestly believes they have as much right to itunes as apple does.

How do they expect to be seen as superior to an iphone when they integrate their hardware with apple software? Microsoft didn't try and make their zune sync with itunes.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Palm, leave it to the hackers. If we want it so bad, we'll get it.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

Of course because it's Apple it's all ok. If this was Microsoft pulling some shit like this everyone would be up in arms. What can Palm do? Apple refuses to let any other manufacturer use Itunes so Palm had to masquerade as an Ipod. Apple keep bitching that Microsoft doesn't allow competition while they are just as guilty. Apple are pathetic.

 

[Murray]

If you can listen to the music, you can pirate it. Mabye sad, but true.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

If you can listen to the music, you can pirate it. Mabye sad, but true.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[xcellerate]

Apple keep bitching that Microsoft doesn't allow competition while they are just as guilty. Apple are pathetic.

apple isn't concerned about smartphone competition, apple cares that competitors tricking apple's hard earned property so they can market their phones. A reputable company would build their own systems and not sneak around trying to capitalize off the success off others.

Palm is free to build their own competing version of itunes, but they didn't even try to, they instantly try to piggy back on apple's success to help market themselves.

 

[Rico]

I'd dare say that the pathetic ones are not Palm but Apple... Imposing fake software limitations in order to get people to buy your shitty products is pretty ridiculous, which is why I have never touched ITunes or an Apple product outside of work ever.

 

[CyberPitz]

Hell, I don't use any apple products either, but I agree.....Palm is just being a bunch of douchebags. it's not their product to use.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

apple isn't concerned about smartphone competition, apple cares that competitors tricking apple's hard earned property so they can market their phones. A reputable company would build their own systems and not sneak around trying to capitalize off the success off others.

Palm is free to build their own competing version of itunes, but they didn't even try to, they instantly try to piggy back on apple's success to help market themselves.

Actually Apple are concerned. The Palm Smartphones are increasing in popularity and are becoming actual competition for Apple, hence the reason Apple blocked them.
Apple whether you like it or not have a monopoly when it comes to music distribution they are the dominator's just like Microsoft with the Operating Systems.
Say Microsoft all of a sudden decided to block Itunes on Windows. Microsoft spend billions on Windows and they don't want Apple piggypacking on Windows especially when they have the Zune to think about. I can't understand that whenever Apple pull shit like this it's because they "care" Apple don't ****ing care they are worse when it comes to stifling competition, and that's the reason i ditched my Iphone and Ipod.

 

[nurizeko]

**** Apple.

 

[xcellerate]

Actually Apple are concerned. The Palm Smartphones are increasing in popularity and are becoming actual competition for Apple, hence the reason Apple blocked them.

If I guess the password to your private email, would you change your password? If I copied your house key and let myself in whenever I wanted, would you change your locks? If I changed the name on your homework and turned it in as my own, would you tell the professor? What if sony designed their system so it could play xbox games, would microsoft be upset?

Apple designed THEIR HARDWARE and THEIR SOFTWARE only to work together, and that's perfectly acceptable. Palm took the lying road to TRICK somebody else's software into believing it was somebody else's hardware. They had every right to 'block' palm, because palm shouldn't have been trying to cheat their way into somebody else's system.

Apple didn't block them because of popularity, they blocked them because what palm is doing is wrong, and everybody should be able to at least see that.

 

[Rico]

Apple designed THEIR HARDWARE and THEIR SOFTWARE to work together.

And all Palm did was make their phone work using the existing architecture, because they knew Apple wouldn't be exactly up for changing Itunes to interface with a competitor's product.

They didn't "steal" from Itunes. Apple has nothing to lose from competitors using their service... unless they thought said competitor's hardware was better.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

Apple designed THEIR HARDWARE and THEIR SOFTWARE to work together. Palm took the lying road to TRICK somebody else's software into believing it was somebody else's hardware.

They had every right to 'block' palm, because palm shouldn't have been trying to cheat their way into somebody else's system. If I guess the password to your private email, would you change your password? If I copied your house key and let myself in whenever I wanted, would you change your locks? If I changed the name on your homework and turned it in as my own, would you tell the professor?

Apple didn't block them because of popularity, they blocked them because what palm is doing is wrong, and everybody should be able to at least see that.

It's nothing new. Hardware masquerade as other hardware all the time. My old Matsui MP3 player used to identify itself as a Creative MP3 player so it would have better compatibility with other software.

Apple are purposefully blocking everyone from using Itunes because of competition. Palm have there own software the only issue is that alot of people use Itunes and they want to use that on the Palm. The only problem is that Apple are such dicks about it they won't allow anyone to do so.

It's not like Palm aren't trying to create any software and are just piggypacking on Itunes. That's not what's happening, all that's happening is that when someone needs access to Itunes content then it masquerades as an Ipod. Otherwise it uses it own software for everything else.

So i guess if Microsoft tomorrow decide to pull the plug on letting Apple have Itunes on Windows and block it from communicating with software like Media Player that would be fine right?
Also what harm was it doing to Apple? You say it wasn't doing it right, the only thing it did wrong was not being an actual Ipod. Everything else worked perfectly. It's just weird that soon after reports and reviews favouring the Palm over the Iphone it get's blocked from Itunes. Pretty weird coincidence right? Good sweet Apple would never block Palm for another reason.

 

[comradesean]

Hello Apple Fanboy.

Why do you have a problem with users who have purchased their songs on iTunes being able to access them on devices which are not Apple? Quit being such a damn prick and realize that this is more a matter of convenience to the user than a get rich quick scheme by some company I've never heard of before. You do realize that if it ties into the architecture of iTunes then whenever a customer purchases a song the profits go to Apple (oh and don't forget the artist LOL), right?

 

[Shamrock]

So you're getting mad that Apple who uses proprietary software, hardware, everything and licenses and you're getting mad that someone is trying to actually integrate their product with everything and not have to be locked down just like an iPhone, iPod Touch, iPod Nano, Shuffle, etc.. is?

Palm spoofed their hardware ID for a good damn reason. I mean what profit is Palm getting out of it anyway..? They're saying it's compatible with iTunes is like saying, Humans are compatible with air! It doesn't matter.

I just don't understand how Palm is being a 'douche' in this situation at all. They're allowing their product to be used with any software. That's pretty damned awesome to me.

Hahaha. My best friend is getting an iPhone, and he says.. "Ughhh. I have to install iTunes now." iTunes is still bloated and still entirely too slow to be so mainstream. It's like they coded it in mud and said, "Hey! This WORKS AMAZING IN THIS MUD!!" If you want to use iTunes with your Palm that bad, I guess go ahead, but WMP does a perfect job for syncing anyway.


Dance party shall commence after this post.

EDIT: El Oh El at Palm is pathetic. They're just trying to let users do what they want. Apple is being that bitchy, selfish girl that says, "NO! IT MY DOLLY!!!! YOU CAN'T PLAY WITH IT!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! MOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[xcellerate]

sony designs their PS3 to play xbox games, that's okay right? I mean why not make it more convenient for people to play console games by only requiring people to have 1 console. It's not like microsoft makes any money off people buying the xbox to play xbox games.

apple makes most of their money on hardware sales, not on itunes. If you can buy a $29.99 mp3 player and use itunes then apple just lost a lot of money. The figures are old, but I can't find any current ones, but in '07 apple made 570 million in profit from itunes, but the ipod accounted for 3.34 billion.

Palm needs to make their software genuinely better than itunes and people will use it. The big problem I have with palm is that they are trying to piggy back on the success of another company's work to market their own product.

 

[kazsymonds]

So apple spends millions of dollars and thousands of man hours developing the most successful music distribution system in the world and you (the competitor) are upset they won't let you use THEIR property to sell your competing phone? waaaaahhhh



yea...except you are.



I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, iTunes is not some open source program that's free for the entire world to use. This is APPLE'S program, they designed it, built it, marketed it, and they can do what ever they want with it and I wish they would brick every palm pre that tries to connect to it because it's unbelievable that palm honestly believes they have as much right to itunes as apple does.

How do they expect to be seen as superior to an iphone when they integrate their hardware with apple software? Microsoft didn't try and make their zune sync with itunes.

I see you've grasped the concept of anti-trust then.

Also this is nothing like saying humans are compatible with air, some users may consider being able to access itunes a BENEFIT like, say, those that dont have access to a computer.

Apple is being very naughty lately imo.

 

[comradesean]

sony designs their PS3 to play xbox games, that's okay right? I mean why not make it more convenient for people to play console games by only requiring people to have 1 console. It's not like microsoft makes any money off people buying the xbox to play xbox games.

apple makes most of their money on hardware sales, not on itunes. If you can buy a $29.99 mp3 player and use itunes then apple just lost a lot of money. The figures are old, but I can't find any current ones, but in '07 apple made 570 million in profit from itunes, but the ipod accounted for 3.34 billion.

That's their business model, and obviously it works, itunes and the ipod are the most successful music player and distribution system in the world. And that's my point, palm needs to make their software genuinely better than itunes and people will use it.



Palm is being the whiny youngest child that says, "I WANT TO BE POPULAR TOO!! WHY IS APPLE's PHONE MORE POPULAR??!! THIS ISN'T FAIR, I'M GOING TO STEAL THEIR HARDWORK SO I CAN BE POPULAR TOO!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Okay, alright. I can understand some of your points, but come the **** on. Do you honestly think it's for the best of humanity that we have yet another unique music compression that only works with a specific manufactured music player? Is that truly what you think? Because that's exactly where you're going with that.


Not even mentioning that your PS3 and X-Box argument is so full of holes that I think I can see china on the other side. If it was the least bit feasible for someone to do it they would, but there's so much work reverse engineering a software platform as complicated as those systems that you won't see it for another decade or so.

If you really want an example though, let's just jump straight to emulation.
They don't do it for the money either. -_-

 

[xcellerate]

Do you honestly think it's for the best of humanity that we have yet another unique music compression that only works with a specific manufactured music player? Is that truly what you think? Because that's exactly where you're going with that.

Whether or not it's right or wrong is irrelevant. My argument is that it's apple's RIGHT to deny other companies from syncing with THEIR software.

The fact that palm is trying SO hard to connect and now they're crying to the upper-ups about fair use is what bothers me. It's not your software to use, if you want to do what this software does, then make your own.

It upsets me that apple is simply defending their own work and people are now treating them as the bad guy.

 

[comradesean]

Whether or not it's right or wrong is irrelevant. My argument is that it's apple's RIGHT to deny other companies from syncing with THEIR software.

The fact that palm is trying SO hard to connect and now they're crying to the upper-ups about fair use is what bothers me. It's not your software to use, if you want to do what this software does, then make your own.

It upsets me that apple is simply defending their own work and people are now treating them as the bad guy.

How can you argue about who's right and who's wrong without attending to the issues surrounding the results of the decision?

If you really wanted me to go off on a tangent here then would it be right for the rich guy hoarding food and supplies to not share with a local populous who was starving and dying to easily curable conditions? Sure, it's his stuff. But eventually Might makes Right will come into affect and the populous will force the man to split the goods.

Yeah, what did that have to do with anything?

Seriously though, If you have a problem with a third party client connecting to a server using it's standards just to create a better experience for the end user then **** you. No, seriously. **** you to hell and die.

But if your problem is that they're whining about it, then you're whining about them whining and I hope they win. It's not that I don't see your point, it's just I don't understand why it's such a big deal to you. They aren't "making" money off anything and it's not going to replace iTunes unless it's just that much better of a phone. Which would promote apple improving their phones, right?

 

[PimpinPenguin]

Whether or not it's right or wrong is irrelevant. My argument is that it's apple's RIGHT to deny other companies from syncing with THEIR software.

This was the same argument Microsoft used when they were sued and guess what it didn't wash. There are competition laws Do you think Microsoft likes have Itunes on Windows and having Ipods connecting with Windows especially as it's kicking the Zune's ass? No they don't but they haven't a choice because of anti-trust laws.

The fact that palm is trying SO hard to connect and now they're crying to the upper-ups about fair use is what bothers me. It's not your software to use, if you want to do what this software does, then make your own.

Again Palm make their own Software. The one and only thing they can't ****ing do is make it access Itunes content. They can't build software to allow that as Apple won't allow them. Itunes is the dominant force in the music distribution they been around a lot longer. Yes, Palm can make there own, but the problem is all the customers that have stuff from Itunes that they want to use on the Palm.

It upsets me that apple is simply defending their own work and people are now treating them as the bad guy.[/QUOTE]

Oh please. Again it's poor little Apple they can't be bad. Apple are stifling competition. They lock Itunes so that people have no choice but to purchase Apple hardware.
Again if Microsoft locked down Windows to prevent anything Non-Microsoft you'd be up in arms. Poor little Apple fanboys getting upset it's tragic.

 

[Matt Isaacs]

sony designs their PS3 to play xbox games, that's okay right? I mean why not make it more convenient for people to play console games by only requiring people to have 1 console. It's not like microsoft makes any money off people buying the xbox to play xbox games.

Whether or not it's right or wrong is irrelevant. My argument is that it's apple's RIGHT to deny other companies from syncing with THEIR software.

Can I just ask you if you are employing that logic how you feel about programs such as bootcamp and WINE making windows only software run on Macs and Linux respectively? I believe that your position is only tenable if you concede that microsoft would have the stop anyone else using programs designed to run on their OS.

 

[comradesean]

Let's play a game here.

Those in favor of the OP are against these programs.
http://www.zsnes.com/
http://www.epsxe.com/
http://bloodlust.zophar.net/NESticle/nes.html
http://vba.ngemu.com/
http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=Kega
http://x.aim.com/laim/
http://runuo.com/
http://www.dosbox.com/
http://www.scummvm.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnetd *

Now I want you to go over that list and agree to never use anything there. Ever. Then tell me you agree with the OP.


* = Blizzard can sometimes be uptight bastards with a really good legal team. They exploited the DMCA to get this software shut down and succeeded. I do not agree with the verdict.

 

[Stigmata]

It's like they coded it in mud and said, "Hey! This WORKS AMAZING IN THIS MUD!!"

 

[Rico]

sony designs their PS3 to play xbox games, that's okay right? I mean why not make it more convenient for people to play console games by only requiring people to have 1 console. It's not like microsoft makes any money off people buying the xbox to play xbox games.

apple makes most of their money on hardware sales, not on itunes. If you can buy a $29.99 mp3 player and use itunes then apple just lost a lot of money. The figures are old, but I can't find any current ones, but in '07 apple made 570 million in profit from itunes, but the ipod accounted for 3.34 billion.

Palm needs to make their software genuinely better than itunes and people will use it. The big problem I have with palm is that they are trying to piggy back on the success of another company's work to market their own product.

The reason Sony can't make their console play Xbox360 games isn't a "moral" issue, its because console games are designed around the console's hardware architecture. You cannot just simply throw an Xbox game into a PS3 and have it work, you'd have to basically reprogram the game's inner workings so it works in a PS3... IE: Port the game...

 

[xcellerate]

You cannot just simply throw an Xbox game into a PS3 and have it work, you'd have to basically reprogram the game's inner workings so it works in a PS3... IE: Port the game...

My point wasn't a logistical one, yes I know the two consoles are extremely different, my point was how companies use hardware so people use/buy software. People buy an xbox or a ps3, generally, because they like the software associated with it.

Apple are stifling competition. They lock Itunes so that people have no choice but to purchase Apple hardware.

Aanybody in the world is free to go compete with itunes and the ipod by designing their own hardware and software. Blatantly bypassing a company's security features so you can use their software in a way it wasn't intended IS WRONG.

Again if Microsoft locked down Windows to prevent anything Non-Microsoft you'd be up in arms. Poor little Apple fanboys getting upset it's tragic.

If microsoft designed windows 7 so it could not be installed on an apple machine, then no I wouldn't be upset. Because windows is microsoft's property and they are free to do whatever they want with it. However, if apple designed their hardware to trick the windows installation into thinking it was NOT an apple machine to install windows, then yes...I would be very upset with apple because that is wrong.

It's not that I don't see your point, it's just I don't understand why it's such a big deal to you.

It's a big deal to me, because from what I've seen, most people agree that apple is in the wrong by protecting their own property. That's pretty much it, if somebody creates an original software program, then they can do with it whatever they want, but apparently the rest of the world disagrees with me.

 

[Murray]

Let's play a game here.

Those in favor of the OP are against these programs.
http://www.zsnes.com/
http://www.epsxe.com/
http://bloodlust.zophar.net/NESticle/nes.html
http://vba.ngemu.com/
http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=Kega
http://x.aim.com/laim/
http://runuo.com/
http://www.dosbox.com/
http://www.scummvm.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnetd *

Now I want you to go over that list and agree to never use anything there. Ever. Then tell me you agree with the OP.


* = Blizzard can sometimes be uptight bastards with a really good legal team. They exploited the DMCA to get this software shut down and succeeded. I do not agree with the verdict.

Oh no you di'in'!!

 

[Viperidae]

Aahhahahahahahah, itunes.

That should be a punchline.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

If microsoft designed windows 7 so it could not be installed on an apple machine, then no I wouldn't be upset. Because windows is microsoft's property and they are free to do whatever they want with it. However, if apple designed their hardware to trick the windows installation into thinking it was NOT an apple machine to install windows, then yes...I would be very upset with apple because that is wrong.

Well that's exactly what Apple do with Bootcamp. It's tricking Windows to think it's on a non MAC hardware though emulation. Try to install Windows normally on it and it'll fail.

Allow me to ask you this. Imagine this is around the time Itunes and the Ipod came out. Now imagine Microsoft decide to stop it working on Windows and allow only the Zune to work on Windows. Now which do you think will win the Zune or the Ipod/Itunes?
The Zune would win not because it's better but because it has market dominance, more people own Windows than Mac's so the Zune would win. Now it doesn't matter whether Itune's is the better software if you don't have access to the market it's useless and i bet the Apple fanboys would not be saying that it's Microsoft's platform they can do what they want.

This is what Palm are saying. They just want access to the market.

 

[comradesean]

If microsoft designed windows 7 so it could not be installed on an apple machine, then no I wouldn't be upset. Because windows is microsoft's property and they are free to do whatever they want with it. However, if apple designed their hardware to trick the windows installation into thinking it was NOT an apple machine to install windows, then yes...I would be very upset with apple because that is wrong.

Apple needs to get it's dirty O/S off our PCs then since this is a strictly Windows/Linux environment. Apple is just stealing the PCs thunder or some bullshit. blah blah.

You seem like a rather intelligent fellow, but just look at what you're typing. In an effort to prove a very simple and one dimensional point you've created dozens of irrelevant and unconventional what if scenarios.

It's pretty obvious you have a problem with them "hooking into" iTunes, but why? They are not "hacking the world" and stealing iTune's money. In fact they are providing them with another source of income. What could you possibly have wrong with a frontend to iTunes that allows users of these palm devices to access their iTunes songs?

 

[mindless_moder]

Palm is free to build their own competing version of itunes, but they didn't even try to, they instantly try to piggy back on apple's success to help market themselves.

Exactly , everyone should continually reinvent the wheel .

 

[Shamrock]

Exactly , everyone should continually reinvent the wheel .

My wheel has teleportation abilities with a laser canon and an invisible armor shield.

 

[xcellerate]

Well that's exactly what Apple do with Bootcamp. It's tricking Windows to think it's on a non MAC hardware though emulation. Try to install Windows normally on it and it'll fail.

That has to do with partitions though, apple can't actually format to the NTFS format , so you have to format in FAT then use the windows install cd to format to NTFS. If microsoft didn't want apple to use their cd's they could simply make the cd check for a GUID partition before installation.

But they probably don't care, if you give them $100 for windows they don't care if you take it out back and use it for target practice.

Allow me to ask you this. Imagine this is around the time Itunes and the Ipod came out. Now imagine Microsoft decide to stop it working on Windows and allow only the Zune to work on Windows. Now which do you think will win the Zune or the Ipod/Itunes?

I'm not so good with hypotheticals, I can't say if the zune of the ipod would win.

It's pretty obvious you have a problem with them "hooking into" iTunes, but why?

Palm knew they were using apple's program in a way apple did not intend it to be used, but they did it anyway. Then when apple stops them, palm tries to paint apple as the bad guy for defending their product. Really it was a clever scheme because any bad PR they can put out for apple is good PR for them, and getting apple to act like some communist software dictator is doing just that.

 

[Shamrock]

That has to do with partitions though, apple can't actually format to the NTFS format , so you have to format in FAT then use the windows install cd to format to NTFS. If microsoft didn't want apple to use their cd's they could simply make the cd check for a GUID partition before installation.

But they probably don't care, if you give them $100 for windows they don't care if you take it out back and use it for target practice.



I'm not so good with hypotheticals, I can't say if the zune of the ipod would win.



Palm knew they were using apple's program in a way apple did not intend it to be used, but they did it anyway. Then when apple stops them, palm tries to paint apple as the bad guy for defending their product. Really it was a clever scheme because any bad PR they can put out for apple is good PR for them, and getting apple to act like some communist software dictator is doing just that.

Apple has always been that.

 

[comradesean]

Palm knew they were using apple's program in a way apple did not intend it to be used, but they did it anyway. Then when apple stops them, palm tries to paint apple as the bad guy for defending their product. Really it was a clever scheme because any bad PR they can put out for apple is good PR for them, and getting apple to act like some communist software dictator is doing just that.

LoL, they knew they were doing something bad. So you speak on behalf of Palm? What Palm did was 100% completely legit. Nothing wrong at all. If you think there's something wrong with that then maybe I should ask you to never put mustard on your sandwiches because the bread manufacturers intended that you only use Ketchup! You obviously know this too!

Whatever. The latter part is the only thing I agree with you on, but unfortunately it's the part I don't give a rat's ass about too. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn about who's crying to mommy or whatever. If Palm can update their software and continually bypass any software checks that Apple puts into their software then I give them a large :thumbs:.

 

[Rico]

If microsoft designed windows 7 so it could not be installed on an apple machine, then no I wouldn't be upset. Because windows is microsoft's property and they are free to do whatever they want with it. However, if apple designed their hardware to trick the windows installation into thinking it was NOT an apple machine to install windows, then yes...I would be very upset with apple because that is wrong.

Virtual Machines have been made to do exactly that, emulate a system's architecture.

Quite frankly, the only company making any fuzz about technological IMPROVEMENTS is Apple. This coming from a company whose employees keep touting things like "You can run Windows on your Mac, so why buy a PC?"

Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

 

[Raziaar]

I thought I was in politics for a second, because I swear I saw that this thread read "Palin is pathetic"

 

[xcellerate]

Virtual Machines have been made to do exactly that, emulate a system's architecture.

Right, they do, except apple doesn't make virtual machines...other companies do.

What Palm did was 100% completely legit. Nothing wrong at all.

If you read the license agreement to itunes it refers to "Apple-authorized devices" and I do not believe the palm pre is apple compatible hardware or an Apple-authorized device...in fact I'm sure it isn't, otherwise palm wouldn't have to pretend to be an ipod to connect.

 

[comradesean]

Right, they do, except apple doesn't make virtual machines...other companies do.



If you read the license agreement to itunes it refers to "Apple-authorized devices" and I do not believe the palm pre is apple compatible hardware or an Apple-authorized device...in fact I'm sure it isn't, otherwise palm wouldn't have to pretend to be an ipod to connect.

Oh! You're bringing out license agreements here. Crap. Hah Hah! You know they could write that your next born child must be mailed to them after five months in there if they wanted.

How about you prove to me that Palm was given, read, and accepted that license agreement before they started writing their software. Alright?

You're just going to start looping the argument around here and you keep switching your defense back and forth between legality and them "crying" about apple.
If this is the defense you are going to stick with then you show me Apple taking Palm into court for breaking their license agreement and you win the argument, ok? If they don't, then you lose. Simple as that.

 

[xcellerate]

How about you prove to me that Palm was given, read, and accepted that license agreement before they started writing their software. Alright?

Well to open itunes you have to click the accept button, and I'd be willing to bet that in order to get the pre to sync Palm had to open itunes once or twice. Even if they managed to avoid pressing accept, every pre owner who synced with itunes probably pressed accept anyway. So palm provided millions of people with a device they would break the license agreement to this software...what a wonderful company.

You can't prove they did NOT click accept anyway, but logically it's much more likely somebody in the palm office accepted this license agreement during the design of their connection software.

here's another line from the itunes license agreement also, "You agree that you will not attempt to, or encourage or assist any other person to, circumvent or modify any security technology or software that is part of the Service."