Palm is pathetic

[comradesean]

I'd be willing to bet that in order to get the pre to sync Palm had to open itunes once or twice.

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Yeah, you made me laugh.


Listen, if you keep up this blind, irate rant where you constantly switch your defense from the legalities to the maturity of a company crying about Apple then you gotta have more proof than just that. I thought you were intelligent, but right now it just seems like you're going to grab any straw you can find to defend your holy savior Apple. p.s. quit being a fanboy.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

here's another line from the itunes license agreement also, "You agree that you will not attempt to, or encourage or assist any other person to, circumvent or modify any security technology or software that is part of the Service."

Technically it didn't. All it did was identify itself to Windows as an Ipod which again is a perfectly legit and one that is commanly used. Hence the reason your not seeing Apple going to court over this because they don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[comradesean]

Technically it didn't. All it did was identify itself to Windows as an Ipod which again is a perfectly legit and one that is commanly used. Hence the reason your not seeing Apple going to court over this because they don't have a leg to stand on.

Actually, I would be very proud of Palm if they stopped whining and continued work on bypassing Apple's login encryptions. As long as they don't cross into the DMCA zone they have every right to do this.

 

[xcellerate]

Yeah, you made me laugh.
quit being a fanboy.

I don't get it? You think palm designed a phone to connect with itunes, without ever opening itunes? Or do you think they found a way to open itunes without pressing accept...and by circumventing that confirmation they are not held to the license agreement?

you keep calling me a fanboy, but I haven't been defending the quality of apple products in this thread. I'm defending a company's right to do what it wants to with it's own products.

Technically it didn't. All it did was identify itself to Windows as an Ipod which again is a perfectly legit and one that is commanly used. Hence the reason your not seeing Apple going to court over this because they don't have a leg to stand on.

yea but the part about it being an Apple-authorized device is still wrong, a pre with an apple sticker on the back is still a pre, and a pre that pretends to be an ipod is still a pre, not an Apple-authorized device.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

yea but the part about it being an Apple-authorized device is still wrong, a pre with an apple sticker on the back is still a pre, and a pre that pretends to be an ipod is still a pre, not an Apple-authorized device.

From a legal stand point again Palm have done nothing wrong. All they are doing are Identifying to Windows that it's an Ipod. Now if Itunes can't tell the between them then it's Apples fault. It's not cracking Itunes to say it's an 'Apple-authorized device'
Palm can legally tell Windows it's whatever it wants to be. Apple can't do shit about that. All Apple can do is make Itunes more able to tell the diffrence which they have done.
So you can carry on dragging out the EULA but you'll find that Palm are in the clear and your last desperate attempt has failed.

 

[comradesean]

you keep calling me a fanboy, but I haven't been defending the quality of apple products in this thread. I'm defending a company's right to do what it wants to with it's own products.

I'm calling you a fanboy because you're ardently defending a company to the point where you're begetting common sense.

Listen man, I agree with you that Apple has the right to alter their login encryption.
Sure, cool. However, Palm has the right to crack it.

You can make cracks however you want about how Palm is whining like baby about the situation, but when you try to prove that what they did was illegal and wrong and defend Apple with no hesitation then there's no way you can't be a fanboy.

 

[xcellerate]

Now if Itunes can't tell the between them then it's Apples fault. So you can carry on dragging out the EULA but you'll find that Palm are in the clear and your last desperate attempt has failed.

So if I walk into an auction house and put down your credit card and show them a fake ID with your name and my face on it, and bid $50,000 on an item...that's legal right? I mean they couldn't tell the difference between you and me, and I used fraudulent means to prove it...but they couldn't tell the difference, so it must be legal...right?

Sure, cool. However, Palm has the right to crack it.

You think legally companies are in the right to circumvent preventative measures put in place by the owners?

cracking windows, adobe suite, and video games is legal and okay? I mean, what security measures are okay to bypass and which ones aren't? Because here I thought all security measures were not okay to bypass.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

So if I walk into an auction house and put down your credit card and show them a fake ID with your name and my face on it, and bid $50,000 on an item...that's legal right? I mean they couldn't tell the difference between you and me, and I used fraudulent means to prove it...but they couldn't tell the difference, so it must be legal...right?

Identity fraud is illegal. So yes that would be a crime. However again from a legal point it's not illegal to masquerade as another device on the PC. As i've said many times before it's common practice. So your real world example doesn't mean shit. It doesn't matter whether you think it's right or not. No one gives a shit what you think(no offence) It's the Legal standpoint that matters.

You think legally companies are in the right to circumvent preventative measures put in place by the owners?

cracking windows, adobe suite, and video games is legal and okay? pretending to be a person who legally obtained a security code is okay?

Crack is not the right word. What Palm did was a legit workaround, so yeah it's okay. All Palm did was trick Windows so it didn't break any rules. Now actually cracking the software like the examples you gave would be illegal.

 

[comradesean]

So if I walk into an auction house and put down your credit card and show them a fake ID with your name and my face on it, and bid $50,000 on an item...that's legal right? I mean they couldn't tell the difference between you and me, and I used fraudulent means to prove it...but they couldn't tell the difference, so it must be legal...right?



You think legally companies are in the right to circumvent preventative measures put in place by the owners?

cracking windows, adobe suite, and video games is legal and okay? I mean, what security measures are okay to bypass and which ones aren't? Because here I thought all security measures were not okay to bypass.

Listen. I'm sorry. You win, alright?
If you make enough irrelevant and completely bullshit examples you cause other people to just roll their eyes and give up. Whatever point you're trying to prove, you proved it. Grats.

 

[xcellerate]

I guess I still see the difference between the pre pretending to be an ipod and how a pretend ipod is not an authorized apple device. Just because itunes thinks it is an authorized device does not make it so.

I'm recognizing a difference between what apple the company says is authorized and what itunes thinks is authorized. So basically, if I hold a device up to steve jobs and ask, "is this an apple authorized device" will he say yes or no.

and yea, I've been pushing this pretty hard, I do feel strongly about it though. I guess mainly because my friends, who aren't apple users, still think what palm did was low...yet almost everything I've seen on the internet says otherwise.

iTunes is the biggest market right now, creating something that was bigger would be near impossible for palm. Yet so far pretty much every other company has respected apple's right to only support their hardware, but palm just said **** you and did it anyway.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

Lol, Palm have just relased an update that restores sync with Itunes http://www.maclife.com/article/news/palm_pre_updates_circumvents_itunes_821_break

Suck on that Apple and go cry some more you Apple fanboys.

 

[Shamrock]

Lol, Palm have just relased an update that restores sync with Itunes http://www.maclife.com/article/news/palm_pre_updates_circumvents_itunes_821_break

Suck on that Apple and go cry some more you Apple fanboys.

Dude... We know.. That's what this whole thread was about..

Way to ****ing read the thread. Ass.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

Dude... We know.. That's what this whole thread was about..

Way to ****ing read the thread. Ass.

What no. The thread said how Palm used to be able to snyc and Apple blocked it with an update. It never said anything about Palm getting it to work again.

 

[Shamrock]

What no. The thread said how Palm used to be able to snyc and Apple blocked it with an update. It never said anything about Palm getting it to work again.

Did you read anything in the thread? Like anything.. AT ALL? Seriously, get out now Penguin.

I used to love you.

 

[Letters]

I'm with Penguin... I read the entire trread and that's the first I've heard of a Palm update that counteracts Apple's.

 

[Krynn72]

Hey guys, can I store a bunch of my shit that im planning to sell in your houses? I'd probably have people over pretty often when they come to buy my shit. You dont have a problem with me doing that right? Because if you do, im going to bitch about it on the internets to everyone.

 

[VirusType2]

Overpriced hardware, monopolistic business model, douchebags - or Apple for short.

 

[comradesean]

Lol, Palm have just relased an update that restores sync with Itunes http://www.maclife.com/article/news/palm_pre_updates_circumvents_itunes_821_break

Suck on that Apple and go cry some more you Apple fanboys.

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