Parents choose prayer over medicine: daughter dies

[Saturos]

That's life. You don't have the right to sit there and pass judgement on who is and who is not smart enough to run their own lives, and nor does anyone else. Hell, many so-called "intellectuals" have zero common sense and live miserable, lonely, unsuccessful lives. Do we give them all free life coaching and assertiveness training?
Freedom is often mistaken these days to mean having a free ride, reaping all the benefits but being insulated from the consequences. Hell no. You take responsibility for your own life. We are not children to be herded and lectured.



The purpose of government is not to manage the lives of its citizens.

Agreed. Also, the more the government is involved with these sort of things, the less freedom we have as individuals. If people want to be idiots, let them. I feel sorry for the kid(s) who suffer from their parents stupidity, and I would admittedly be the first call these people on their said stupidity just because I'm an opinionated asshole, but other than that, nobody else needs to be involved. It's not our or the government's business to dictate the lives of others. It is their responsibility alone.

 

[Sulkdodds]

So basically, the parents' freedom to act irrationally and thus kill their child is greater, and more valuable, than the child's freedom to live?

 

[Eejit]

Agreed. Also, the more the government is involved with these sort of things, the less freedom we have as individuals. If people want to be idiots, let them. I feel sorry for the kid(s) who suffer from their parents stupidity, and I would admittedly be the first call these people on their said stupidity just because I'm an opinionated asshole, but other than that, nobody else needs to be involved. It's not our or the government's business to dictate the lives of others. It is their responsibility alone.

It's fine as long as they aren't harming someone who can't look after themselves.

 

[Saturos]

So basically, the parents' freedom to act irrationally and thus kill their child is greater, and more valuable, than the child's freedom to live?

The child does indeed have freedom to live, I'm saying there are some things the government shouldn't be a part of for the sake of simplicity. Not this particular scenario necessarily though tbh but caution is still advised when dealing with the fools in office.

Government administrative intervention can f**k up freedom something fierce sometimes to the point of the death of a child (without suffering of course) actually being an act of mercy. Everytime we ask for "more protection" or "justice against child molesters" from the government, another "un-related" freedom goes out the window it seems. We should just do it how they used to do in the olden days. Form a posse and hang all child molesters/neglectors by the neck until dead. THAT's how you'll get the message across fs. Not relying on big brother for everything, because most of the time, big brother is not very effective at justice and will just shoot you in the foot for asking.

Proper justice is ugly, but that's the problem. Nobody wants ugly justice anymore. They'd rather sentence people like these to life in prison while living on my tax money, or slap them on the wrist and tell them they can no longer have children (or let them continue to have children for that matter), or a small fine, or no sentence at all.

Large-Scale/Nation Government = Too many chiefs and not enough indians. :thumbs:

No white picket signs for me. No tattling to big brother. When people are serious about justice again, call me. We'll go down and beat the holy f*** out of these freaks.

LSS: I should re-phrase that paragraph and just say there are certain limitations extreme fanaticism should have within state though. What the parents did was cruel.

EDIT> *Waits for everyone to go from, "omfg, a crazy Christian family just left their daughter to suffer and die!!!" to, "omfg wtf?!?! Saturos is a fascist lunatic!!!! The parents that denied their kids medical attention does not deserve the death penalty!!!"*

 

[Moto]

omfg wtf?!?! Saturos is a fascist lunatic!!!! The parents that denied their kids medical attention does not deserve the death penalty!!!

 

[Eejit]

omfg wtf?!?! Saturos is a fascist lunatic!!!! The parents that denied their kids medical attention does not deserve the death penalty!!!

 

[Gray Fox]

i think saturos is a pretty cool guy, eh hates government and doesn't afraid of anything.

 

[Saturos]

i think saturos is a pretty cool guy, eh hates government and doesn't afraid of anything.

I think you've got the wrong impression about me. It's not that I hate government, because I do like to be able to go to bed everynight without worrying about some maniac breaking in and lobbing everyone's heads off. It's just today's politicians and how poorly of a job the judicial system is doing. If I were president (and I use the terms and associations to democracy such as "checks-and-balances" very loosely) I would probably fire all the 9 current justices tbh and rebuild the judicial branch from the ground up.

The government(s) job is to provide infrastructure so all we have to do to live "happily ever after", is work hard. The government(s) job a couple hundred years ago originally was not to babysit it's citizens that can't work or to provide enforcement at every single corner of the country. (which is how it is today) Enforcement was left to the few and brave colonists. Other differences applies to "old-style" government as well, but we're discussing how this relates to the thread. Back then there was much more than citizens arrest. They'd hang irresponsible and cruel parents in trees. You just didn't behave irresponsibly back then. There were no lawyers, or BS grey areas. YOU JUST DON'T DO IT. Simple and effective. Of course, that way of thinking had it's drawbacks, ( false imprisonment/executions, abuse of authorative powers) but so does everything in life, and with the U.S.'s prisons overflowing with innmates and a less-and-less employment rate for correctional officers, I'd say our current method is already broken anyways.

Hell not to mention too the US's deficit and the tax money they'd save from correctional expenses if they were to implement the old ways once again.

Also, I do have things that I'd be deathly afraid to do/am afraid of. Anyone who says they have no fears is either lying or insane. However, what separates the men from the boys is those that do what needs to be done regardless if they are scared or not. (or whether they want to or not)