Patriotism Test

[gick]

1. It is never right to kill another person. I Agree. However that doesnt mean that I don't recognize the fact that it is sometimes necessary to kill another human being (eg. Crazy Bayonet Man/Hitler/Paris Hilton)

2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries. Although most of the world's leaders probably do want the best for their countries, it seems to me that getting re-elected, or personal gain is a more important factor in many of their minds. Not so sure about wehter I agree or disagree.

3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary. Hell yes. Remember people, if you live in a democracy, you dont work for the government, the government work for you. Obviously, the 'means' one would use to remove said politican from power depends on the severity of his/her crime.

4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Not necessarily. I guess it depends on the personality of the person concerned.

5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country. Disagree. Laws are there for a reason. If a person such as the Prez/PM breaks the law for the 'good of the country', it is entirely stripping the law of all authority, and is the first step towards totalitarianism.

6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs. I agree. I do, however recognize that this may be necessary in a democracy.

7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty. I have a serious problem with that statement. Taken to an extreme this sort of thinking led to the gas chambers at Auschwitz. RakuraiTenjin made a very good point when he said that the French Resistance, fighting against the Vichy Administration, were also patriots, but I would still argue that it is more important to stand up for universal values like democracy or freedom or whatever, rather than fighting because you happen to be born on this patch of land, as opposed to that patch of land over there.

8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for. Disagree. I would die for democracy, I would die for freedom of speech and assembly. Hell, I would even die to defend the ****ing NHS. If you wouldn't at the very least be willing to die for your friends or family, I'm not sure you deserve life at all.

9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once. Meh, whatever.

10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones" Disagree. Anybody remember Martin Luther King? Gandhi? etc, etc.

 

[GhostBoi]

A- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
D- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries. (political leaders act in the way that they believe is best for their country, that doesn't mean it actually was in the best interest of the country.)
A- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.
D- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." (Too absolutist.)
A- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.(In very few situations though)
A- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.
D- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.
D- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
D- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
D- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

 

[DancingSoda]

"My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty

how could anyone possibly agree to that utter bullshit? only fools go blindly, only fools trust unconditionally

If you are unwilling to support your country in the worst times possible, even when a mistake has been made, you are not deserving of living there in the first place. Somalia and East Timor will gladly take in these people.

 

[ríomhaire]

If you are unwilling to support your country in the worst times possible, even when a mistake has been made, you are not deserving of living there in the first place. Somalia and East Timor will gladly take in these people.

So you think that the German Jews should have supported their country?

 

[Solaris]

So you think that the German Jews should have supported their country?

QFT
tbh

 

[CptStern]

If you are unwilling to support your country in the worst times possible, even when a mistake has been made, you are not deserving of living there in the first place. Somalia and East Timor will gladly take in these people.

so in other words if my leader lies and 2100 of my fellow countrymen and 100,000 civilians get killed as a result I should support his decision no matter what the outcome is? boy what a screwed up sense of patriotism you have there ..I thought you're supposed to loyal to your country not an individual

 

[DancingSoda]

so in other words if my leader lies and 2100 of my fellow countrymen and 100,000 civilians get killed as a result I should support his decision no matter what the outcome is? boy what a screwed up sense of patriotism you have there ..I thought you're supposed to loyal to your country not an individual

Since you are incapable of reading simple 5th grade sentances, I shall explain it further.


I said if you do not support your country, you are not worthy of living in it.

Where, please tell me, does that say anything about supporting the leader of the country?

In case you didn't know, it's entirely possible to support your country and dislike the leader of it. I didn't turn my back on America when the abysmal failure of a man known to you as William (Bill) Clinton took office.

 

[DancingSoda]

So you think that the German Jews should have supported their country?

You just envoked Godwin's Law. Congradulations.

That said, many Jews DID support their country and fought for it against Nazi control. Your reasoning fails words. Yet another person that, somehow, equates country with leadership. Not only is this false, but it's also not the case. Please try again.

 

[CptStern]

Since you are incapable of reading simple 5th grade sentances, I shall explain it further.


I said if you do not support your country, you are not worthy of living in it.

Where, please tell me, does that say anything about supporting the leader of the country?

In case you didn't know, it's entirely possible to support your country and dislike the leader of it. I didn't turn my back on America when the abysmal failure of a man known to you as William (Bill) Clinton took office.

hey sherlock, the leader is is the voice of the people, therefore it's totality is manifested by what he does, says etc ...no need to shout, you'll get an ...ulcer ...man

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

You just envoked Godwin's Law. Congradulations.

That said, many Jews DID support their country and fought for it against Nazi control. Your reasoning fails words. Yet another person that, somehow, equates country with leadership. Not only is this false, but it's also not the case. Please try again.

This is the point I've been trying to push the entire time but they seem to equate the federal government as -the country-

By their own logic, if they don't like Bush and the current House/Senate, they don't like America.

 

[OvA]

eir countries.

Disagree- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

What about Hitler? Did he not implement the first interstate highway system? Did he not comission the first reliable and affordable car meant for the average person (other than the Model T)? He a lot of things that were probably good, but he is generally accepted as the most evil (or just drugged up on meth?) man
in modern history.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

What about Hitler? Did he not implement the first interstate highway system? Did he not comission the first reliable and affordable car meant for the average person (other than the Model T)? He a lot of things that were probably good, but he is generally accepted as the most evil (or just drugged up on meth?) man
in modern history.

There's a lot of reverse examples too, people mainly known for awesome deeds when they have a lot of shit behind them too.

http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/served/burr.html

 

[Glirk Dient]

There's a lot of reverse examples too, people mainly known for awesome deeds when they have a lot of shit behind them too.

http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/served/burr.html

Umm...you have just failed the test and have been found to be un patriotic. Please go into the room for "screening".

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Umm...you have just failed the test and have been found to be un patriotic. Please go into the room for "screening".

Burr sucks ass he killed Hamilton the father of American style Capitalism

 

[OCybrManO]

he killed Hamilton

Well, if it happens in a prearranged duel (where both parties consent and it's assumed to be a fight to the death) it's a bit different than if he had just assassinated him by surprise...

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Well, if it happens in a prearranged duel (where both parties consent and it's assumed to be a fight to the death) it's a bit different than if he had just assassinated him by surprise...

The situations dealing with it are sketchy though. I mean Hamilton didn't even shoot at him, it was more like a "we've 'dueled' and this is settled saving both of our honor" But Burr just caps him.

 

[OCybrManO]

The situations dealing with it are sketchy though. I mean Hamilton didn't even shoot at him, it was more like a "we've 'dueled' and this is settled saving both of our honor" But Burr just caps him.

If you're going to do a pretend duel you specify before you start that you aren't actually going to shoot each other. You just say that the first person to draw their gun and fire (at something else) wins. You don't wait until the 10-count, turn around, intentionally miss the target, and expect the other guy to do the same... and, from what I understand, that's about as bad as the various accounts of the story get. Others suggest that Hamilton pulled his trigger as a reflex after being shot. So, either way, Hamilton was still stupid for participating in a duel.

 

[ríomhaire]

You just envoked Godwin's Law. Congradulations.

That said, many Jews DID support their country and fought for it against Nazi control. Your reasoning fails words. Yet another person that, somehow, equates country with leadership. Not only is this false, but it's also not the case. Please try again.

Hitler was democratocly elected by the people or the country, twice. Should supporting your country not mean supporting the decions of the people of the country?

 

[Solaris]

Hitler was democratocly elected by the people or the country, twice. Should supporting your country not mean supporting the decions of the people of the country?

That is why I should be elected and democracy ebolished.

I am incorruptable................

 

[DeusExMachina]

That is why I should be elected and democracy ebolished.

I am incorruptable................

lmaocakes.

Anyway, it wasn't a "pretend" duel between Burr and Hamilton. Hamilton had insulted Burr by saying Jefferson was more fit to run the country than Burr because Burr didn't actually care about anything but his own political career. Jefferson cared about the people and while Hamilton didn't like him much, he knew Jefferson would make the better president. Burr's like "Duel. Now." Hamilton thought it'd be better if they discussed it in words but Burr wasn't listening. At the duel, Hamilton fired his pistol into the sky signaling he didn't want to do this. Burr shot him anyway. Hamilton died the next day and Burr ran to Mexico. The people loved Hamilton so Burr was generally Public Enemy No. 1, but of course he was in Mexico so there was nothing for us to do. But, we see him later in history .

On the topic of Hamilton, while I didn't like some of his ideas and his loose interperation of the Constitution, I'm sure he would've made a fine president.

 

[DancingSoda]

hey sherlock, the leader is is the voice of the people

No, he's not. I don't know what twisted fairy-tale land explaination of our political structure you were given, but it's laughable you believe it.


We do not even vote for our Presidents. That is left to electoral voters - and they are free to vote anyway they choose. If you bother to have read anything about politics, you would have realized that every single person in this country could vote for one man for President - and he could STILL lose.

Good job overlooking the complete and utterly obvious.


therefore it's totality is manifested by what he does, says etc

No, it's not. The President and Vice President are still political figures with political opinions. This is not like a Jury foreman. If a President is doing a bad job, we can either live with him until his term is up, (or if someone illegal was done) or impeach him. That's it. He is NOT the voice of this country. He is only the leader of it.

 

[Glirk Dient]

No, he's not. I don't know what twisted fairy-tale land explaination of our political structure you were given, but it's laughable you believe it.


We do not even vote for our Presidents. That is left to electoral voters - and they are free to vote anyway they choose. If you bother to have read anything about politics, you would have realized that every single person in this country could vote for one man for President - and he could STILL lose.

Good job overlooking the complete and utterly obvious.


therefore it's totality is manifested by what he does, says etc

No, it's not. The President and Vice President are still political figures with political opinions. This is not like a Jury foreman. If a President is doing a bad job, we can either live with him until his term is up, (or if someone illegal was done) or impeach him. That's it. He is NOT the voice of this country. He is only the leader of it.

The electoral voters represent the people. Also if they were to simply throw away a landslide vote and go the other direction they wouldn't have a job very long. That is why they vote the way the people choose.

 

[DancingSoda]

Hitler was democratocly elected by the people or the country, twice. Should supporting your country not mean supporting the decions of the people of the country?

Actually, Hitler was never elected leader of anything (in fact, he even cancelled elections after the Reichstag fire that he helped purpetrate). He was appointed.

Before Hitler, President Paul von Hindenburg had appointed Franz von Papen as Chancellor. Papen was eventually confronted politically by Hitler and Hitler was GRANTED the Chancellery by Hindenburg.

So, if you wish to put blame on anything, put it on a senile old man that saw something in a crazy and zealotous Hitler.

Get your history right before you question my beliefs.

 

[DancingSoda]

The electoral voters represent the people. Also if they were to simply throw away a landslide vote and go the other direction they wouldn't have a job very long. That is why they vote the way the people choose.

Electoral voters don't have a position as a job as such. Electoral voters ARE FREE TO VOTE FOR WHOM THEY WISH. NOTHING prohibits them from voting opposite of the people. In fact, it's happened before, but it is rare.

Electoral voters are generally party supporters and donators. They do not hold any title or job of electoral voter. They have no worry of "losing their job" if they vote a certain way.

 

[gick]

Electoral voters don't have a position as a job as such. Electoral voters ARE FREE TO VOTE FOR WHOM THEY WISH. NOTHING prohibits them from voting opposite of the people. In fact, it's happened before, but it is rare.

That seems to be a pretty stupid system, but im sure there must be a good reason for it. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain?

 

[CptStern]

No, he's not. I don't know what twisted fairy-tale land explaination of our political structure you were given, but it's laughable you believe it.

sigh:

"The President of the United States (unofficially abbreviated “POTUS”) is the head of state of the United States" what is a president

"one of the most important roles of the modern head of state is being a living national symbol of the nation." ..what is a head of state

We do not even vote for our Presidents. That is left to electoral voters - and they are free to vote anyway they choose. If you bother to have read anything about politics, you would have realized that every single person in this country could vote for one man for President - and he could STILL lose.

in theory, but not in practice

Good job overlooking the complete and utterly obvious.

No, it's not. The President and Vice President are still political figures with political opinions. This is not like a Jury foreman. If a President is doing a bad job, we can either live with him until his term is up, (or if someone illegal was done) or impeach him. That's it. He is NOT the voice of this country. He is only the leader of it.

"one of the most important roles of the modern head of state is being a living national symbol of the nation."


but we're digressing ..you alluded to the fact that it's a citizens duty to stand behind his country no matter what but I say that's a crock of shit. if the PRESIDENT (the HEAD of State, the REPRESENTATION of the people) does something illegal or immoral, like invade and subsequently destroy a nation based on LIES then only the unpatriotic would stand behind the HEAD of STATE without question


but this is rather enlightening because you're revealed that you support your country's invasion of iraq despite the mountain of evidence that your president lied to you ...you're either a fool or you're a willing participant in the murders of tens of thousands of innocent civlians, which one is it going to be?

 

[DancingSoda]

sigh:

"The President of the United States (unofficially abbreviated “POTUS”) is the head of state of the United States" what is a president

"one of the most important roles of the modern head of state is being a living national symbol of the nation." ..what is a head of state

Sigh indeed. Not only are you using Wikipedia articles in a debate and taking them as fact, but your words fail your statement.

roles of the modern head of state is being a living national symbol of the nation

National symbol != voice of people. Please try again.

in theory, but not in practice

Doesn't matter, it's still entirely possible.

but we're digressing ..you alluded to the fact that it's a citizens duty to stand behind his country no matter what but I say that's a crock of shit.

And I say you're an unpatriotic sheeple.

If you are not willing to defend your countrys' honor, you have no right to live there. I can think of some places that there IS NO GOVERNMENT where you could say that without having to back up your words.

Sierra Leone and Rwanda aren't so friendly to Westerners (or even their own people, with the genocide and all) - so you might want to pack an AR-15 with a few thousand rounds of 62gr 5.56x45 before you go.

if the PRESIDENT (the HEAD of State, the REPRESENTATION of the people) does something illegal or immoral, like invade and subsequently destroy a nation based on LIES then only the unpatriotic would stand behind the HEAD of STATE without question

So, in order to stand behind my country, I also have to support the leader?

You are a fool.

but this is rather enlightening because you're revealed that you support your country's invasion of iraq despite the mountain of evidence that your president lied to you

...And all of Congress agreed to go to war. And then a month ago, agreed to stay in Iraq.

Sorry, leftist bullshit one-liners do not apply.

...you're either a fool or you're a willing participant in the murders of tens of thousands of innocent civlians, which one is it going to be?

1.) YOU are the fool for insinuating that one must support the leader of a country in order to support their country. German Jews supported their country by FIGHTING FOR IT against Hitler. So, I guess by your backwards ass illogical fraudulent claims, this means the Jews supported Hitler.
2.) Tens of thousands? Of innocents? No. Once again, another leftist "Against the Iraq war" sphewing vehement nonsense. You don't care if it's true or not, as long as it's against the United States.


Therefore, sir, if you are against the United States being in Iraq, you are pro-Saddam Hussein. You are disgusting.

 

[dream431ca]

Sigh indeed. Not only are you using Wikipedia articles in a debate and taking them as fact, but your words fail your statement.



National symbol != voice of people. Please try again.



Doesn't matter, it's still entirely possible.



And I say you're an unpatriotic sheeple.

If you are not willing to defend your countrys' honor, you have no right to live there. I can think of some places that there IS NO GOVERNMENT where you could say that without having to back up your words.

Sierra Leone and Rwanda aren't so friendly to Westerners (or even their own people, with the genocide and all) - so you might want to pack an AR-15 with a few thousand rounds of 62gr 5.56x45 before you go.



So, in order to stand behind my country, I also have to support the leader?

You are a fool.



...And all of Congress agreed to go to war. And then a month ago, agreed to stay in Iraq.

Sorry, leftist bullshit one-liners do not apply.



1.) YOU are the fool for insinuating that one must support the leader of a country in order to support their country. German Jews supported their country by FIGHTING FOR IT against Hitler. So, I guess by your backwards ass illogical fraudulent claims, this means the Jews supported Hitler.
2.) Tens of thousands? Of innocents? No. Once again, another leftist "Against the Iraq war" sphewing vehement nonsense. You don't care if it's true or not, as long as it's against the United States.


Therefore, sir, if you are against the United States being in Iraq, you are pro-Saddam Hussein. You are disgusting.

Wow. I think it's time to take your head out of Bush's ass.

 

[DancingSoda]

Wow. I think it's time to take your head out of Bush's ass.

And, I think it's time you stop assuming.


I voted for Michael Badnarik. Although, I severely doubt you even know who that is.

 

[CptStern]

Sigh indeed. Not only are you using Wikipedia articles in a debate and taking them as fact, but your words fail your statement.



National symbol != voice of people. Please try again.

and we come full circle, this is useless ..you have no idea what head of state is

Doesn't matter, it's still entirely possible.

if the queen had a sex change, she'd be king ...possible but not very likely ..any other if scenarions you'd like to put out? like if america hadnt charged to the rescue the entire world would be speaking german?

And I say you're an unpatriotic sheeple.

better than a dead fool

If you are not willing to defend your countrys' honor, you have no right to live there. I can think of some places that there IS NO GOVERNMENT where you could say that without having to back up your words.

again stop avoiding the issue ..if my country does something I dont agree with, I will NOT support the decision ..you on th eother hand will swallow any justification no matter how ludicrous so long as you adhere to some intangible unreasonable ideal that your country can do no wrong and your leaders are infallible

Sierra Leone and Rwanda aren't so friendly to Westerners (or even their own people, with the genocide and all) - so you might want to pack an AR-15 with a few thousand rounds of 62gr 5.56x45 before you go.

so I see it's either supoort your regime or go to the worst place on earth ...ya I can see how that's "having the freedom to choose" or part oif living in a democracy "toe the line OR ELSE"

So, in order to stand behind my country, I also have to support the leader?

here we go again ...just answer the damn question and stop splitting hairs ..are you unconditionally in support of your country and it's actions? ..I cant see how I could put it any plainer

You are a fool.

at least I'm not a blind fool

...And all of Congress agreed to go to war. And then a month ago, agreed to stay in Iraq.

who the **** cares? again answer the question ..are you a fool or are you a willing participant in wholesale slaughter? no more "well if congress" this or "well the brits that" ..just answer the damn question

Sorry, leftist bullshit one-liners do not apply.

1.) YOU are the fool for insinuating that one must support the leader of a country in order to support their country. German Jews supported their country by FIGHTING FOR IT against Hitler. So, I guess by your backwards ass illogical fraudulent claims, this means the Jews supported Hitler.

you are a fool for putting words into my mouth and drawing your own conclusion based on your own insinuations ..you're like a broken record

2.) Tens of thousands? Of innocents? No. Once again, another leftist "Against the Iraq war" sphewing vehement nonsense. You don't care if it's true or not, as long as it's against the United States.

what a stupid statement, "it must be a lie cuz it sounds like "leftist propaganda" ...there arte several ground surveys that have put the figures in the hundreds of thousands, perhaps you'dd like to come up with your figure as to the casualties brought about by the invasion? ...surely the US must have compiled their own list of casualties

Therefore, sir, if you are against the United States being in Iraq, you are pro-Saddam Hussein. You are disgusting.

only a simpleton would come to that stupid conclusion .."if you're not with us your against us" ..yes well I'm against YOU because you lied and hundreds of thousands died ..what makes it even more shameful on your part is that because your country lied 2100 of your fellow americans lost their lives ..what are you prepared to do about it? will you hold your lying administration accountable for lying to americans? Anything less is cowardly and tantamount to treason

 

[Sulkdodds]

Since I've completely lost track of whatever the hell you two are arguing about, what opinions you hold and why you're using such an annoying blow-by-blow quote-by-quote insult-by-insult manner, my only question is: What exactly's wrong with wikipedia?

 

[Bait]

What exactly's wrong with wikipedia?

Abso-****ing-lutely nothing.

Stern, your new sig is badass.

 

[ríomhaire]

We do not even vote for our Presidents. That is left to electoral voters - and they are free to vote anyway they choose. If you bother to have read anything about politics, you would have realized that every single person in this country could vote for one man for President - and he could STILL lose.

What kind of f*cking idiot came up with that system?

 

[DeusExMachina]

Abso-****ing-lutely nothing.

Stern, your new sig is badass.

While I do love wikipedia, you do realize its not always "accurate" right? I freaking saw an article where Hulk Hogan was given credit for being a philosopher :|.

 

[Sulkdodds]

It's a side of him few people know of.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

And, I think it's time you stop assuming.


I voted for Michael Badnarik. Although, I severely doubt you even know who that is.

As much as (half) of the Libertarian Party's policies appeal to me, I have come to the conclusion that a flat tax outperforms a national retail sales tax. The Armey flat tax plan seems best.

 

[DancingSoda]

and we come full circle, this is useless ..you have no idea what head of state is

I'm sorry that you have no idea how to use a dictionary. Once again, learn the definition of the damn words before you try debating me. The President of the United States is NOT the voice of America, and does NOT speak for the people.

if the queen had a sex change, she'd be king ...possible but not very likely

Yes, never mind the fact that electoral voters HAVE voted for other candidates before.

Hell, you've demonstrated a complete and utter lack of understanding on the electoral college voting system.

You're an accusation throwing monkey without a damn bit of evidence. Please eat your keyboard and throw your computer out the window.

better than a dead fool

...What the hell are you talking about?

again stop avoiding the issue ..if my country does something I dont agree with, I will NOT support the decisio

You know, and I know this sounds CRAZY to someone as illogical as you, YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIKE YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE BY THE POLITICANS. I know, it's crazy, ain't it?

you on th eother hand will swallow any justification

Uh-huh. Even though I've said multiple times in this thread that I don't agree with politicans.

Bullshit on your accusation. Try harder.

no matter how ludicrous so long as you adhere to some intangible unreasonable ideal that your country can do no wrong and your leaders are infallible

1.) A country CAN'T do wrong. A country is an inanimate thing. I'd don't recall the ACTUAL LANDMASS of Germany bitchslapping Britain during the second World War.
2.) As I have said before: I do not agree with all politicans. You are a liar.

so I see it's either supoort your regime

...So you live in the United States, then?

I don't think so. I think you're confused. "Support YOUR country."

Do you live in the United States? No. So then you don't have to support it. Congradulations at failing cognitive thought, however.

ya I can see how that's "having the freedom to choose" or part oif living in a democracy "toe the line OR ELSE"

Well, you obviously don't support democracy, so why should you want it?

here we go again ...just answer the damn question and stop splitting hairs ..are you unconditionally in support of your country and it's actions?

A country is incapable of doing an action. Only the politicans do action. Countries are nations, land, a flag. Not politicans.

Then again, it doesn't suprise me that you don't understand that... I mean, Socialists would really distinguish individualism.

at least I'm not a blind fool

Sheeple are blind, Mr. Uninformed. They are the "Useful Idiots" of this generation.

who the **** cares? again answer the question ..are you a fool or are you a willing participant in wholesale slaughter?

Slaughter? There has been no slaughter. Try again. And, also, I think we acknowledged the real fool here is you.

no more "well if congress" this or "well the brits that" ..just answer the damn question

...You don't even understand the Executive and Legislative branches, do you? Sad.

you are a fool for putting words into my mouth

Don't blame me, Mr. AngryMan, for using your own logic against you. Those words are yours, taken from you mouth and given back to you.

and drawing your own conclusion based on your own insinuations ..you're like a broken record

Blah, blah, blah. You just aren't happy because you just got discredited. Deal with it.

what a stupid statement, "it must be a lie cuz it sounds like "leftist propaganda"

There is no "because." It simply is. You're recanting what your media source wishes you to (and it's probably a liberal source, like I guessed). You are a propaganda machine. You are a part of the sheeple. Is this new info to you? If so, that's quite sad.

...there arte several ground surveys..

By who? Baghdad Bob?

only a simpleton would come to that stupid conclusion .."if you're not with us your against us" ..yes well I'm against YOU because you lied and hundreds of thousands died

1.) So intelligence failure is lying? Yeah... ok... that's bullshit.
2.) There aren't hundreds of thousands dead. Also bullshit.

what are you prepared to do about it? will you hold your lying administration accountable for lying to americans? Anything less is cowardly and tantamount to treason

Considering I wasn't lied to, I didn't decide to invade, I didn't give a shit about the WMD (just the crazy ****er in charge of the nation, I support going to Iraq just because of getting rid of Saddam, the WMD are of no consequence to me), why should I do anything about it? Because a tiny Eurosocialist-friendly angryman says I should?

Pardon me whilst I laugh at your expense.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Will both of you put your penises away :|.

 

[DeusExMachina]

EDIT: Ugh. Double post.

 

[Reaktor4]

freedom fries.