Patriotism Test

[Bait]

Uhhhhh.......ooooookkkkkk

I can't really formulate a thought on this right now.......except for "goddamn."

 

[Kamikazie]

hm. i guess the government wants to make sure they have the youth to back them up? since it has nothing to do with their studies i think the paper should be thrown in the shitter...

 

[X_i_Z_o_R]

A good way of reinforcing integrity in America's teenagers

 

[Ikerous]

I really doubt the state had anything to do with the questionaire. It was probably just some teacher's idea of an interesting time killer. And it says right on top that it's simply an "Opinionaire" so, who cares? It's most likely not worth any credit and what harm is there in asking for their opinions. (Although the fact that the A's and D's on the right imply that the teacher felt that theres a "right" and "wrong" answer to those questions is a lil sad. Are there wrong opinions?)

 

[DeusExMachina]

Wow, gg getting info from prison planet there.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Had a similar questionare in history. It had all those questions on it. It was anonymous and results were done by numbers just so we could gauge numbers. It's nothing like "TESTING HOW MUCH EACH PERSON IS PATRIOTIC OMFG"

Ours had about 75 questions though in total including more specific ones such as "It is okay for the CIA to interfere with foreign matters as a protection of US interests." "It is okay for the NSA/CIA to interfere with domestic activities in the interest of public safety" and you mark agree or disagree with each one.

Notice no name on the paper, seems to be a similar numbers gauging thing simply for the class.

PS: My history teacher is fairly liberal too and was all excited (well.. that makes him sound weird but you know what I mean, for school papers lol) about the test just cause it was interesting.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Had a similar questionare in history. It had all those questions on it. It was anonymous and results were done by numbers just so we could gauge numbers. It's nothing like "TESTING HOW MUCH EACH PERSON IS PATRIOTIC OMFG"

Ours had about 75 questions though in total including more specific ones such as "It is okay for the CIA to interfere with foreign matters as a protection of US interests." "It is okay for the NSA/CIA to interfere with domestic activities in the interest of public safety" and you mark agree or disagree with each one.

Notice no name on the paper, seems to be a similar numbers gauging thing simply for the class.

PS: My history teacher is fairly liberal too and was all excited (well.. that makes him sound weird but you know what I mean, for school papers lol) about the test just cause it was interesting.

Its just a fun thing? I wonder if my history class is getting it.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Its just a fun thing? I wonder if my history class is getting it.

Well my teacher got it off the net so I dunno. It was also at the beginning of the semester, back in August. It was pretty cool though. It was a basic scoring system similar to political compass.

I scored far right, which was unsurprising. Overall our class scored a little more to the right but not by a landslide or anything. Maybe 60/40. Still pleases me for the young people's vote in Arizona (although traditionally we always have been one of the more right states)

 

[Bait]

Wow, gg getting info from prison planet there.

My bad. I guess the paper is non-existant and that such a test is just a dream.

 

[FictiousWill]

Holy shit that's scary.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Holy shit that's scary.

Um how?

 

[JNightshade]

Well, they're testing for opinions, that's nothing new. But it's with young kids... and there are CORRECT ANSWERS!? It's scary for those (like me) who disapprove of blind patriotism.

 

[DeusExMachina]

My bad. I guess the paper is non-existant and that such a test is just a dream.

-_-. I'm not trying to say that. I'm saying getting info about this kind of thing from Prison Planet is a horrible source.

 

[Ikerous]

Well, they're testing for opinions, that's nothing new. But it's with young kids... and there are CORRECT ANSWERS!? It's scary for those (like me) who disapprove of blind patriotism.

They were sixteen, but yea, the correct answers part is weird

 

[JNightshade]

Well, I'm sixteen, and I consider myself "young". I'm not a man. Nobody these days is a man at 16- at least not in a developed country. All that stuff about "becoming a man" when you lose your virginity is bullshit.

 

[Shasta]

(Although the fact that the A's and D's on the right imply that the teacher felt that theres a "right" and "wrong" answer to those questions is a lil sad. Are there wrong opinions?)

Sh*t guys! Can't you see the teacher just labelled "A" for agree and "D" for disagree? Probably for easy reference I guess. Still a dumb U.S. patriotism checking thing. It shows how paranoid America is as a country, even of their own kids, that they do this sort of thing.

 

[Bait]

Hmm.....Why don't we answer those questions ourselves....maybe it would be fun for a larf.

Agree- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
Agree- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.
Agree- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.
Agree- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Disagree- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
Agree- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.
Disagree- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.
Disagree- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
Agree- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
Disagree- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

Hum hum.....According to Mr. Opinionaire I got a healthy 3/10. I guess I wouldn't be a very patriotic american. Too bad.

EDIT: Shasta, look at #4, #6, #7....

 

[CptStern]

meh, they're just indoctrinating tommorrow's voters so that they could be good little patriots and enlist to fight in the next war for resources ..."we love america so much we're willing to sacrifice the lives of other peoples children" - some random right-wing politician

 

[Bait]

meh, they're just indoctrinating tommorrow's voters so that they could be good little patriots and enlist to fight in the next war for resources ..."we love america so much we're willing to sacrifice the lives of other peoples children" - some random right-wing politician

Good way to start of a thought like that. Meh.

But then again, we are Canadians.

 

[Shasta]

EDIT: Shasta, look at #4, #6, #7....

You are quite right- I guess I skimmed it a bit too quick! #1 and #2 as well. Now I see that the letters on the right are someones opinion of what the correct answers should be. Disturbing. And they are the ones with nukes. The U.S. makes me think of the stereotype "jumpy" guy in movies that gets given a gun, hears a noise behind him, jumps out of his skin and shoots, only to turn on the light and see that he's just shot his mate or someone like that.

 

[Raeven0]

Interesting test. And a great inspiration for any essays I might want to write...

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Well, they're testing for opinions, that's nothing new. But it's with young kids... and there are CORRECT ANSWERS!? It's scary for those (like me) who disapprove of blind patriotism.

um where was it showing correct answers?

edit: I see what you're talking about now but the answers written in the right margin aren't all the ones that would be considered "AMERICA FIRST FOREMOST ABOVE ALL OMFG"

Either way, blown way out of proportion. Shouldn't be calling this a test, it's more like a survey/questionare. PS: I hate PrisonPlanet I get enough of it at school.


Mine:

Disagree- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
Agree- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.
Agree- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.
Agree- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Agree- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
Agree- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.
Agree- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.
Disagree- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
Agree- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
Disagree- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

 

[15357]

D- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
A- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.
D- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.
D- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
A- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
A- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.
A- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.
D- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
A- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
A- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

 

[CptStern]

"My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty

how could anyone possibly agree to that utter bullshit? only fools go blindly, only fools trust unconditionally

the questions are stupid, the questionaire leaves no room for any flexibility it's either a positive or negative answers ..probably designed to weed out the hippies and commies :upstare:


if this happened in canada people would be too busy rolf to finish the questionaire

 

[Raz]

I agree with Cpt Stern here. Most of the questions are far too vague for me to give a simple black or white answer to.

3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.

This for example. What are we talking about here? Systematically exterminating an entire ethnic minority or cheating on the wife and lying to the public about it?

Anyway, I also find it disturbing that anyone could agree with "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty. Think for yourself please.

 

[DeusExMachina]

um where was it showing correct answers?

edit: I see what you're talking about now but the answers written in the right margin aren't all the ones that would be considered "AMERICA FIRST FOREMOST ABOVE ALL OMFG"

Either way, blown way out of proportion. Shouldn't be calling this a test, it's more like a survey/questionare. PS: I hate PrisonPlanet I get enough of it at school.


Mine:

Disagree- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
Agree- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.
Agree- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.
Agree- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Agree- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
Agree- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.
Agree- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.
Disagree- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
Agree- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
Disagree- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

Wait a minute, you agree with half this crap?

 

[Pauly]

That gives me shivers. wow.. I'm speechless about that lil' survery.

Ill take it though

Disagree- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
Disagree- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.
Agree- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.
Agree- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Agree- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
Agree- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.
Disagree- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.
Disagree- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
Agree- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
Agree- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"


Rakurai, you say that You will agree with your country no matter if they are doing right or wrong things??? If your country starts to torture innocent people or commit genocide... you would still be loyal to your country!?

 

[dream431ca]

yay for Patriotism. The only form of mind control that people accept! :thumbs:

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

"My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty

how could anyone possibly agree to that utter bullshit? only fools go blindly, only fools trust unconditionally

You don't abandon your country. EG: Say, the idiots who said "OMFG BUSH WON THE ELECTION, I HATE THE USA AND I WANT TO MOVE TO CANADA."

No, it doesn't work like that, get the hell out and don't think of coming back then, I say to those people. If Kerry had been elected, it'd have no effect on my love for the nation and what it stands for. Fickle people don't care about their homeland.

Rakurai, you say that You will agree with your country no matter if they are doing right or wrong things??? If your country starts to torture innocent people or commit genocide... you would still be loyal to your country!?

I'd fight against those in power who were doing it, in the name of what the US is really about.
Look at it this way, were the French resistance fighting the Vicci French not French Patriots? Yes, they were, they fought an evil interim French administration but did it FOR France.

Your country right or wrong doesn't mean your leaders right or wrong. When your leaders are wrong, question 3 comes into play.

 

[Sulkdodds]

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D- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
A- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries. (however, I believe this often doesn't equate to the best interests of everyone in their countries or of people in general).
A- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary. (Assuming it's quite a severe 'wrong')
Aish- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." (I think this is generally true but not necessarily always).
D- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
D- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs. (think about it; ideals or beliefs aren't necessarily noble)
D- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty. (I think a better patriotic duty might be 'make my country right').
D- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
D- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
A- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

 

[DeusExMachina]

You don't abandon your country. EG: Say, the idiots who said "OMFG BUSH WON THE ELECTION, I HATE THE USA AND I WANT TO MOVE TO CANADA."

No, it doesn't work like that, get the hell out and don't think of coming back then, I say to those people. If Kerry had been elected, it'd have no effect on my love for the nation and what it stands for. Fickle people don't care about their homeland.


I'd fight against those in power who were doing it, in the name of what the US is really about.
Look at it this way, were the French resistance fighting the Vicci French not French Patriots? Yes, they were, they fought an evil interim French administration but did it FOR France.

Your country right or wrong doesn't mean your leaders right or wrong. When your leaders are wrong, question 3 comes into play.

I love everything my country stands for but that doesn't mean the things its doing now aren't wrong and that applies. America does stand for home of the free, pursuit of happiness, etc. etc. But quite lately, perhaps the last 50 or 60 years now, America has been wrongly represented by its leaders. Ever since the end of World War II, we became the big bad imperials. And that affects the country and the ideas it stands for. Now, everyone would think our country stands for christianity, war, and centralization and we've damaged our reputation so much, we can't change their minds anymore. Hell, we're at war within our own country. The political parties have split people up and are now reflected upon it. We haven't learned anything from History. Washington even said that we should throw away political parties and no get involved with foreign entanglements.

What happened?

 

[ríomhaire]

Disagree- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
er...Disagree- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.
Disagree- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.
Agree- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
er...Agree- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
Agree- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.
Disagree(if I understand it correctly)- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.
Disagree- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
Disagree- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
Disagree- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

 

[Bait]

I love everything my country stands for but that doesn't mean the things its doing now aren't wrong and that applies. America does stand for home of the free, pursuit of happiness, etc. etc. But quite lately, perhaps the last 50 or 60 years now, America has been wrongly represented by its leaders. Ever since the end of World War II, we became the big bad imperials. And that affects the country and the ideas it stands for. Now, everyone would think our country stands for christianity, war, and centralization and we've damaged our reputation so much, we can't change their minds anymore. Hell, we're at war within our own country. The political parties have split people up and are now reflected upon it. We haven't learned anything from History. Washington even said that we should throw away political parties and no get involved with foreign entanglements.

What happened?

It's a shame how a few can so thoroughly affect the masses, whether it be percieved or real. To say the image of the U.S isn't tainted in many places in the world (not to mention on their own soil) would be a grand oversight. The impression I'm getting, however, is that political people like to shrug off these negative views as being the result of a hatred towards the western life style/democracy/peace etc.

Guh......the more I look at that opinionaire or whatever, the more disapointed I become.

 

[Spectre01]

God Bless America *wipes tear from eye*

 

[dream431ca]

God Bless America *wipes tear from eye*

What God are you speaking of?? The all American cheese god?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

http://www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/morph/upload_image_auto

D- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
A- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries. (however, I believe this often doesn't equate to the best interests of everyone in their countries or of people in general).
A- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary. (Assuming it's quite a severe 'wrong')
Aish- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." (I think this is generally true but not necessarily always).
D- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
D- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs. (think about it; ideals or beliefs aren't necessarily noble)
D- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty. (I think a better patriotic duty might be 'make my country right').
D- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
D- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
A- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

In regards to question 7, make my country right in my opinion would fall in with my country, right or wrong. Countries whose governments have done horrible things in the past doesn't make the people less proud of being that nationality, perhaps disgusted of the government, but not less pride.

Either way, want those people who are freaking out to understand why people would choose that. No one is going to support the wrong actions if they feel they are wrong, that wouldn't make sense. But that doesn't mean it's not their country to care about, worry about, take part in, improve, contribute to, etc.

What God are you speaking of?? The all American cheese god?

Who told you about this?

 

[Nat Turner]

Disagree- 1. It is never right to kill another person.

So if a crazy guy is charging you with a bayonet, you can't pull out your pistol and shoot him?

er...Disagree- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.

Depends on the politician. Some leaders act just to get themselves re-elected. Also, the best interest of the people is not always the same as the best interest of the country. Keep that in mind.

Disagree- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.

Usually. I still think they should have a fair trial though.

Agree- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Agreed.

er...Agree- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.

Nope, this is terrible. Political leaders swear by the Constitution, and they must follow it and do their job. Otherwise they should be thrown into jail for high treason. The USA is a republic, not a totalitarian state. The actions of those in office should be restricted.

Agree- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.

Usually. This could get people thrown in jail for rape, though.

Disagree(if I understand it correctly)- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.

Disagree also. Patriotic duty is a bunch of BS meant to get you killed in war or to give up your rights.

Disagree- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.

Agree. If you're dead, the universe ends from your perspective.

Disagree- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.

Disagree. Nobody dies until they die. Clever wording doesn't make this true.

Disagree- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

Disagreed. This Shakespeare stuff is a bunch of rubbish.

 

[ríomhaire]

Disagree- 1. It is never right to kill another person.

So if a crazy guy is charging you with a bayonet, you can't pull out your pistol and shoot him?

I disagreed, saying it isn't never right to kill someone. Meaning sometimes it is.

er...Disagree- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.

Depends on the politician. Some leaders act just to get themselves re-elected. Also, the best interest of the people is not always the same as the best interest of the country. Keep that in mind.

Yeah, I was pretty 50/50 on that one(that's what the 'er...' means)

Disagree- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.

Usually. I still think they should have a fair trial though.

That's way too vague. Saying "That dress doesn't make your ass look big honey" to your wife is wrong if it's a lie. Should the prime minister/president get kicked out for it?

Agree- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Agreed.

Just like Dr. Breen D:

er...Agree- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.

Nope, this is terrible. Political leaders swear by the Constitution, and they must follow it and do their job. Otherwise they should be thrown into jail for high treason. The USA is a republic, not a totalitarian state. The actions of those in office should be restricted.

I don't realy know about this one. But in the end I just said agree.

Agree- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.

Usually. This could get people thrown in jail for rape, though.

Haha. Good point, but if you compromise your beliefs then you have nothing to guide your decicions other than personal gain.

Disagree- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.

Agree. If you're dead, the universe ends from your perspective.

I Well, that depends doesn't it? I assume you're an athiest.

Disagree- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.

Disagree. Nobody dies until they die. Clever wording doesn't make this true.

I think your taking that too literaly.

Disagree- 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"

Disagreed. This Shakespeare stuff is a bunch of rubbish.

Your disagreeing with it just because it's poetic? That's BS if you don't mind me saying.

 

[Nat Turner]

I disagreed, saying it isn't never right to kill someone. Meaning sometimes it is.

Hehe didn't catch that.

That's way too vague. Saying "That dress doesn't make your ass look big honey" to your wife is wrong if it's a lie. Should the prime minister/president get kicked out for it?

If the President lies in court, they should be kicked out of office.

Haha. Good point, but if you compromise your beliefs then you have nothing to guide your decicions other than personal gain.

Well, caring about personal gain is a belief too.

I Well, that depends doesn't it? I assume you're an athiest.

All evidence points to this conclusion, so I'll stand by it.

Your disagreeing with it just because it's poetic? That's BS if you don't mind me saying.

No, I'm disagreeing with its substance.

 

[CptStern]

I never did fill out the questionaire

A- 1. It is never right to kill another person.
D- 2. Political leaders usually act in the best interest of their countries.
A- 3. If a political leader has done something wrong, it is alright to get rid of him or her by whatever means necessary.
A- 4. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
D- 5. In certain situations it may be justified for a political leader to bend or break the law for the good of the country.
A- 6. People should never compromise their ideals or beliefs.
D- 7. "My country right or wrong" is not just a slogan; it is every citizen's patriotic duty.
D- 8. No cause, political or otherwise, is worth dying for.
D- 9. Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant tase of death but once.
A - 10 with a quantifier that it's a stupid statement and just shirks responsibility - 10. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is [oftened buried] with their bones"



oh and Razor I wasnt specifically referring to soldiers but rather civilians who blindly follow their government, but it can be applied to some soldiers (over 70% of US soldiers believed saddam responsible for 9/11 during the invasion)


here read this it explains nationalism: http://www.siliconeer.com/past_issues/2002/roy_oct02.html

thanks Saj for inadvertedly pointing me the way to this article as I had read it a few years back but forgot who had written it ..everyone interested in the politics around the war should give Arundhati Roy a listen ..her lectures are eye-opening to say the least