Peace sign = satan/anti-patriotic

[CptStern]

Newsflash: Communist spy killed in Police Raid

A communist spy was killed today in a Police raid on his headquarters ..operatives shot the communist as he was about to detonate a nuclear weapon obtained from Saddam Hussein. Special Operative Pim Jong III made a statement: "it was a very tough decision but the terrorist left us no choice ..the Glorious Fatherland must persevere"

 

[15357]

Isn't it a coincidence that there really was a spy that got caught today?

 

[CptStern]

there was? in SK?

 

[Ravioli]

Stern is a parent? your child must be very lonely considering your post count.

But yeah shouldnt freedom of speech let everyone have any sign they want on whatever they want whenever they want? Even though it might be offending?

I know that in Sweden the Nazi symbol is officaly ILLIEGAL as in you have to pay or even go to jail if your cought with it. But this thing is just redicoulus, it doesnt symbolise anything close to nazism.

Well il stfu now becuase i make no sense whatsoever so il let The Sterner speak for me.

 

[CptStern]

actually I have 2 kids ..and if you notice I rarely post anything on the weekend or in the evening while my kids are still awake ..you guys arent as exciting as my 3yr old son

 

[15357]

there was? in SK?

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200611/200611290021.html

 

[CptStern]

wow I was joking about the thought police ...looks like I wasnt all that far off

 

[15357]

wow I was joking about the thought police ...looks like I wasnt all that far off

What, guy gets caught spying for north korea has something to do with the thought police?

Besides, he was in violation of the Socio Security Observation Law #19, which states that a person on parole must report to his duty officer and cannot go in protests and other violence-inducing places.

 

[CptStern]

"Kang is currently an advisor for five activist groups including the Tongil(Reunification) Solidarity and Solidarity for Peace and Reunification of Korea. He was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in prison for spying in 1996 for involvement in the planned visit to the North by the delegation of the alliance’s South Korea chapter to express condolences on the death of former North Korean leader Kim Il-sung in 1994."


wow visiting NK? they should have just executed him and be done with it

 

[15357]

Yeah, except visiting North Korea is forbidden without spec. permission.

Why the hell would you want to visit north korea, and why in the frigging hell would you want to express condolences for the Korean equivalent of Hitler and Stalin?

 

[CptStern]

hitler exterminated over 6 million jews, stalin killed upwards of 30 million russians ...Kim Il-sung? how many has he killed?

"Citizens believed hostile to the Kim regime were either executed or deported to special dictatorship target areas, where they were imprisoned in labor camps and worked in conditions similar to Soviet gulags"

doesnt sound all that much different than SK ..except you dont execute political prisoners .....right?

 

[Ome_Vince]

It is incredible though how hard we descend on the Germans each year for the holocaust. Sure its terrible, but we're ignoring the millions Stalin did, and more importantly, what the ****ing Japanese did in China.
They killed over 11 million Chinese civilians, and never apologized or showed remorse, raised any statues, got the "bad name" like the Germans did etc.
If anything, Japanese Nazism was far worse, especially after reading some of the horror stories on prison camps, and what happened in the "Rape of Nanking".
Even more ridiculous, it looks like the Japanese these days chose to ignore or deny responsibility, and their children's textbook scandal last year proves some are even trying to "erase some elements of the past".
luckily China wont let em get away with it (hence the scandal a while back).
ah well, I'm just babbling , the whole situation is just crooked

 

[CptStern]

ya but to be fair none of those incidents were due to race alone ..hitler killed jews because they were jews ..nothing else

 

[Ome_Vince]

Thats right. Though the Japanese considered themselves the master-civilization, uber-folk, and had no specific target like Hitler (jews). They just went on a rampage vs everybody else

EDIT
Though, if i remember correctly, Hitler also exterminated everybody whom he didn't consider uber-folk. This could be gypsies, down-syndrome ppl etc. Jews were his main target though.

 

[99.vikram]

Though, if i remember correctly, Hitler also exterminated everybody whom he didn't consider uber-folk. This could be gypsies, down-syndrome ppl etc. Jews were his main target though.

Hitler actually started breeding uber-folk, encouraging fit aryans to only mate with others of their 'superior' race to keep the blood pure.

 

[15357]

hitler exterminated over 6 million jews, stalin killed upwards of 30 million russians ...Kim Il-sung? how many has he killed?

"Citizens believed hostile to the Kim regime were either executed or deported to special dictatorship target areas, where they were imprisoned in labor camps and worked in conditions similar to Soviet gulags"

doesnt sound all that much different than SK ..except you dont execute political prisoners .....right?

Um, we don't have "special dictatorship target areas" nor "labor camps" nor anything related to soviets.

Kim Il sung killed 4 million in the 50s, kidnapped at least 80,000 south korean citizens.

The problem is, the entire population of the Korean peninsula in the 50s, both north and south, was somewhat less than the number Stalin killed (about 27 million est.).

Kim Il-Sung then went on to kill millions in the later years with famines as well as purges. An estimated 2 ~ 3 million were killed by his regime in the 70s and 80s by purges.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

For the man below me who is confused: These reports, investigations, witness accounts, and historical records all confirm the use of torture, starvation, and execution as a weapon of both genocide against the political class oppose to Jim Kung Il's regime but also of its own people should they not conform, wether by accident or intent, to its elitist agenda.

I know numbers would'nt have had the chance to post all of these, so I did him the favor.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,1075267,00.html (Uncovering truth of genocide and starvation)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6951629397402742053&q=starvation+North+Korea&hl=en (Children of the Secret State - the truth about North Korean Political Prisoners, Genocide, Starvation, Illegal Drug Trafficing, and Crimes against Humanity)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50382 (North Korean Arms Research Facility where Biological, Chemical, and Small Arms Munitions are tested on Political Prisoners)

From the Source Above:

In one intelligence file is the allegation that newborn babies are taken from their mothers and injected with biological agents or given injections of chemicals that blister the skin, leaving huge keloids, the sores seen on the bodies of Hiroshima victims.

One woman, Lee Sun-Ko, who escaped from North Korea earlier this year, eventually ended up in America. She told her CIA debriefing officer that Camp 22's experimental laboratories are buried underground to avoid aerial reconnaissance and bombing.

Lee Sun-Ko's affidavit includes: "I watched guards select 150 prisoners, mostly women. Some had just given birth. Their babies were ripped from them. Some of the babies were laid face down on the ground and a guard injected them at the top of the spine. Other guards carried the babies away. When the mothers screamed and protested, they were severely beaten."

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/10/30/nkorea.political.prisons/index.html

From the Source Above

According to a report by the U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, about 150,000 to 200,000 North Koreans are locked away in political prisons.

Behind the walls of a Kwan-li-so conditions and treatment are brutal.

"People are starved to death, worked to death, frozen to death over a period of time, and it's just absolutely horrific, reminiscent of what we've read coming out of the old Gulags under Stalin," says Kansas Republican Sen. Sam Brownback.

Along with political prisoners, up to three generations of their families also are banished without trial -- usually for lifetime sentences in a system of "guilt by association," the report finds.

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/prison-korea01.html

From the Link Above: LABOR, DEATH, ABUSE

NBC's investigation revealed that North Korea's State Security Agency maintains a dozen political prisons and about 30 forced labor and labor education camps, mainly in remote areas. The worst are in the country's far Northeast. Some of them are gargantuan: At least two of the camps, Haengyong and Huaong, are larger in area than the District of Columbia, with Huaong being three times the size of the U.S. capital district.

Satellite photos provided by DigitalGlobe show several of the camps, including the notorious Haengyong, for the first time outside official circles. Plainly visible are acres upon acres of barracks, laid out in regimented military style. Surrounding each of them is 10-foot-high barbed-wire fencing along with land mines and man traps. There is even a battery of anti-aircraft guns to prevent a liberation by airborne troops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea

From the Source Above:

The prison system
North Korea's government routinely detains, tortures, and imprisons thousands of individuals who are either dissidents or alleged saboteurs. While the administration of Kim Jong-il maintains that it does not do any of these things, many refugees have come forward and recounted stories which describe conditions within the country. The government is accused of employing political prison camps, believed to hold as many as 200,000 inmates, including children whose only crime is having "class enemies" for relatives. There have been widespread reports from North Korean refugees of abortion, infanticide, and famine in these prison camps. Extreme physical abuse is common (beatings often result in death). [13][14]

In 2002, a former party official named Sun-Ok Lee gave testimony before a committee of the United States House of Representatives on her own treatment within North Korea's criminal system. She reported extensive torture, including the loss of eight teeth and permanent facial paralysis. She also reported that she was tried in a "kangaroo court" and sentenced to 13 years in a prison camp. She received unusually light treatment because of her background as an accountant. According to her statement, "I testifies [sic] that most of the 6,000 prisoners who were there when I arrived in 1987 had quietly perished under the harsh prison conditions by the time I was released in 1992." She reported numerous tortures and deaths of individuals in her camp, including the killing of the babies and unborn children of women in the camp upon their arrival. Her testimony is consistent with many other reports. [15]

A 2004 BBC documentary also reported that in one of these camps, North Korea tests chemical weapons on prisoners in a gas chamber. [16] Life in the camps has been covered in several other documentaries, such as The Aquariums of Pyongyang by Kang Chol-Hwan.

...

North Korea's state-controlled economy has stagnated since the 1970s. By the 1990s, agricultural output had tumbled so far that it induced widespread famine, which killed between 600,000 and 3.5 million people. [19] By 1999, food and development aid reduced famine deaths. In the spring of 2005, the World Food Program reported that famine conditions were in imminent danger of returing to North Korea, and the government was reported to have ordered millions of city-dwellers to the countryside to perform farm labor. [20] In 2005, the agricultural situation showed signs of improvement, rising 5.3% to 4.54 million tons; this was largely the result of increased donations of fertilizers from South Korea. However, the World Food Program stated that this was short of the estimated 6 million tons necessary to adequately feed the population. Nevertheless, North Korea called for food aid to cease, and shipments of food to the country ended on December 31 of that year. [21] In the same period, news sources reported that North Korea continued to raise food prices while reducing food rations. [22]

North Korea's society is highly stratified by class, according to a citizen's family and political background. [23] Refugees International, Médecins Sans Frontières, and Amnesty International have all accused North Korea of discriminating against those in "hostile" classes in the distribution of basic necessities, including food. In some "closed" areas that contained a higher concentration of "hostile" class members, the government appears to have prevented the delivery of significant amounts of food aid.

North Korea maintains a massive military machine and supports an extravagant lifestyle for its leader, Kim Jong-Il. [24] Before the cessation of food shipments at the end of 2005, the World Food Program sought $200 million in emergency food aid for North Korea, an increase from its 2004 request of $171 million. [25] By comparison, its 2002 defense budget was $5.2 billion according to the CIA World Factbook.

The Aquariums of Pyongyang, by Kang Chol-Hwan and Pierre Rigoulot, is an account of the imprisonment of Kang Chol-Hwan and his family in the Yodok concentration camp in North Korea. It shows how a powerful family with money and material goods has everything taken from them by the Korean Worker's Party. His grandfather was imprisoned and taken away for suspicious activity against the state of North Korea. Kang Chol-Hwan, his grandmother, father, uncle, and younger sister were taken away and put in Yodok concentration camp #2915. There they suffered and viewed many atrocities for ten years. It also shows his personal assimilative transition in a new society, both in his escape and arrival in South Korea. The newest publication, in 2005, includes an account of his meeting US President George W. Bush. Originally published in French in 2000, and translated into English in 2001 by Yair Reiner and later into Korean, it is one of the first published accounts of the North Korean prison system, and earned Kang Chol-Hwan an audience with the President of the United States [1].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aquariums_of_Pyongyang

 

[CptStern]

ah kerberos, we're not even discussing kim jong IL atm ..try to follow

and what exactly are you giving me here? kidnapped film makers? forced labour? torture? propaganda? ...besides kidnapping film makers and forced labor camps there's not a whole lot seperating the regime from gitmo or the secret torture camps scattered across europe and iraq

but all of this is immaterial because the discussion is on whether NK's past leaders are as murderous as Hitler, Stalin ...history has shown they are not

and for the love of god never ever post anything from convervative blog WorldNetDaily ..they are not a valid source as they are admittedly biased


Numbers: there is no disputing that NK has had it's share of bloody tyrants and murderous madmen ..but hardly the stuff of Hitler or stalin ...but please post sources for Kim sung's genocide of 4 million NKs ..for the life of me I cant find it on the internet

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Numbers: there is no disputing that NK has had it's share of bloody tyrants and murderous madmen ..but hardly the stuff of Hitler or stalin ...but please post sources for Kim sung's genocide of 4 million NKs ..for the life of me I cant find it on the internet

Don't numbers! He won't listen! (see post above CptSterns) :rolling:

 

[15357]

<3 Kerberos

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Numbers: there is no disputing that NK has had it's share of bloody tyrants and murderous madmen ..but hardly the stuff of Hitler or stalin ...but please post sources for Kim sung's genocide of 4 million NKs ..for the life of me I cant find it on the internet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

For one.

In the pre-dawn hours of Sunday June 25, 1950, the North Korean army struck across the 38th parallel behind a firestorm of artillery barrage.[12] Equipped by the Soviets with 150 T-34 tanks, the North Koreans began the war with about 180 Russian aircraft, including 40 YAK fighters and 70 attack bombers. The navy was inconsequential. The most serious weakness was its lack of a reliable logistics system for moving supplies south as the army advanced. (In practice, it forced thousands of civilians to hand-carry supplies, while subject to American air attacks.)

That alone killed many, many civillians due to US troops opening fire.

600,000 Korean soldiers died in the conflict according to U.S. estimates. More than a million South Koreans were killed, 85% of them civilians. According to figures published in the Soviet Union, 11.1% of the total population of North Korea died, which indicates that around 1,130,000 people were killed. The total casualties were about 2,500,000. More than 80% of the industrial and public facilities and transportation infrastructure, three-quarters of all government buildings, and half of all housing was destroyed

Not to mention US casulties.

 

[CptStern]

<3 Kerberos

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

For one.

ummm where's the 4 million I asked for? you cant include a single korean soldier in that figure because that's like saying Winston churchill is responsible for every single british soldier who died during ww2 ..come on where's the 4 million non combantants as you suggested ..remember I specifically used hitler and stalin because their civilian victems numbered in the millions

That alone killed many, many civillians due to US troops opening fire.

so you're blaming NK for koreans killed by americans? :rolling:

Not to mention US casulties.

compare like for like ..I specifically said civilians, you're throwing everybody into the mix ..US/SK soldiers do not count ..and you cannot lay blame on every single death that occured during the korean war on NK ...the soviets and americans are responsible for a big portion of those deaths ..in fact had they not carved your country up like a christmas turkey after the war in all likelihood the korean war might not have happened

 

[15357]

ummm where's the 4 million I asked for? you cant include a single korean soldier in that figure because that's like saying Winston churchill is responsible for every single british soldier who died during ww2 ..come on where's the 4 million non combantants as you suggested ..remember I specifically used hitler and stalin because their civilian victems numbered in the millions

Lol, he invaded first.

But yes, it would be like saying that the dead in teh iraq war were Bush's fault.

so you're blaming NK for koreans killed by americans?

Yes. They started it.

 

[CyberPitz]

I ****ing hate dumbasses.

Nuff said.