Peter Molyneux is an idiot

[Barnz]

Source: Kotaku

Molyneux Picks 5 Most Revolutionary Games of Past 20 Years

Hey it's Peter Molyneux! He makes video games. Video games like Black & White and the Fable games. At a recent BAFTA event, Molyneux listed off what he thinks are the 5 most revolutionary games in the past 20 years.

The titles were:

• The RTS Dune 2: The game took players away from twitch play to a cerebral approach.
• Super Mario 64: The true precursor to the likes of GTAIV as it ushered in free roaming in an open environment.
• Tomb Raider: The game featured an iconic heroine instead of a muscle-bound man.
• Halo: The title brought FPS games to consoles.
• World of Warcraft: The use of "carrot dangling" to drive players to keep playing.

I used to like/respect this guy, but now I see him as a huge douchebag. Maybe he wasn't the guy behind games like Theme Hospital, Populous, and Dungeon Keeper at the first place.

Seriously, Halo?

 

[Gunner]

I remember bullfrog games, very fun and innovative. I mean he had his glory days in the nineties but he's become a sort of Romero it seems, almost completely disconnected from reality.

 

[CptStern]

Source: Kotaku

Molyneux Picks 5 Most Revolutionary Games of Past 20 Years



I used to like/respect this guy, but now I see him as a huge douchebag. Maybe he wasn't the guy behind games like Theme Hospital, Populous, and Dungeon Keeper at the first place.

Seriously, Halo?

yes Halo ..it's for most revolutionary game, not the best game and he explains his reasoning:

"The title brought FPS games to consoles."

he doesnt mean that before Halo there were no console fps but rather that halo ushered in the era of the console fps

 

[CyberPitz]

The man does have a point, it did bring FPS to the Console.

 

[Zephos]

His reasoning is sound, but it's still a retarded pick.

Also **** you Molyneux, Black and White 2 was supposed to be Jesus and all I got was Moses parting his own urine.

 

[mortiz-Redux]

GoldenEye 64 deserves to be there over Halo, GoldenEye showed that FPS on the console was not only feasible but the game could also be good. Without GoldenEye we wouldn't have seen Halo.

Also 20 years? So that includes games like Doom, Wolfenstein etc? How was Halo more revolutionary than Wolfenstein and Doom?

 

[Fishlore]

Golden Eye and Perfect Dark brought FPS games to consoles. Halo brought FPS to the Xbox. No more, no less.

 

[Quixoticism]

The man does have a point, it did bring FPS to the Console.

Which is not where they should have gone.

I find his reasoning for Tomb Raider being revolutionary amusing.

 

[CptStern]

GoldenEye 64 deserves to be there over Halo, GoldenEye showed that FPS on the console was not only feasible but the game could also be good. Without GoldenEye we wouldn't have seen Halo.



I semi agree with you but GoldenEye hasnt had as far reaching influence and mass cultural penetration as Halo has had

my in laws know what Halo is

Also 20 years? So that includes games like Doom, Wolfenstein etc? How was Halo more revolutionary than Wolfenstein and Doom?

if you look at the titles they all represent a perticular gaming genre

 

[Barnz]

Golden Eye and Perfect Dark brought FPS games to consoles. Halo brought FPS to the Xbox. No more, no less.

This, original Medal of Honor (and its expansion pack) for PlayStation was also great.

 

[CptStern]

Golden Eye and Perfect Dark brought FPS games to consoles. Halo brought FPS to the Xbox. No more, no less.

why because you say so?

 

[stemot]

As much as I despise the Halo games, Molyneux has a point. Better FPS may have appeared before on consoles, but Halo is the game that has paved the way for the multitude of console FPS's.

May I say one more time how much I hate the Halo franchise? Yes? Good.

 

[Vegeta897]

I semi agree with you but GoldenEye hasnt had as far reaching influence and mass cultural penetration as Halo has had

What an incredibly flawed point you're trying to make.

Golden Eye: 1997
Halo: 2001 and sequels up to this year

Gaming as a hobby and gaming in popular culture has MASSIVELY changed in those years, Stern. Halo being more well known and "mass cultural penetration" doesn't say jack SHIT about being a better game than Golden Eye, or a game with more potential for doing just as much as Halo did to console gaming.

 

[TheOneFreeMan]

Halo did have a great influence for FPS games cross-platform, but Halo wouldn't even exist without Doom. And Half-Life pioneered the story-driven FPS far better than Halo did.

I have more problems though with his inclusion of Tomb Raider. Because Lara Croft was a woman, that makes it revolutionary automatically? She was a grotesque, sexualised caricature created to pander to a male audience (and I say this as a man who loves boobs as much as anyone). I'd say Silent Hill 3 was more revolutionary in terms of female protagonists (although by the time of its release, Alyx from Half Life 2 would already have been in development).

 

[Wanted Bob]

Yeah, I dont understand why the Halo choice was the most controversial one there. I thought the Tomb Raider choice was far worse, and a lot of people seem to complain that "---- brought FPS to the consoles before Halo", then what about his choice of WoW? WoW was hardly the first MMO to bring "carrot dangling" into the gaming world, give me a break.

 

[CptStern]

Halo did have a great influence for FPS games cross-platform, but Halo wouldn't even exist without Doom. And Half-Life pioneered the story-driven FPS far better than Halo did.

except he didnt say he chose Halo because it's the best fps as so many of you are suggesting. he just said it revolutionized fps on consoles that's it, nothing else

I have more problems though with his inclusion of Tomb Raider. Because Lara Croft was a woman, that makes it revolutionary automatically?

yes ....that's his point, it was the first massively popular game that had a female protagonist.

She was a grotesque, sexualised caricature created to pander to a male audience (and I say this as a man who loves boobs as much as anyone). I'd say Silent Hill 3 was more revolutionary in terms of female protagonists (although by the time of its release, Alyx from Half Life 2 would already have been in development).

some of you are just inserting your own bias into Peter's words as if he himself said them when he didnt. who cares if Silent Hill had a better feamle protagonist than Tomb Raider. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. sheesh some of you just jump on the hate bandwagon without thinking things through

 

[Fishlore]

why because you say so?

Why did Halo bring FPS games to the console, because Peter M. said so? Because your inbred in-laws have heard of it?

How do you "bring" a genre to a console when the same genre already existed on consoles for almost 5 years? You don't. You might improve the console FPS genre by adding vehicles like Halo did, craft an interesting world and story like Halo did. I won't argue that Halo is the most popular FPS game on consoles, but it didn't bring FPS to the consoles as this genre had existed on consoles long before Halo ever came around.

 

[Fishlore]

except he didnt say he chose Halo because it's the best fps as so many of you are suggesting. he just said it revolutionized fps on consoles that's it, nothing else

Why don't you try reading what was actually said. He said nothing of revolutionizing the genre.

"Halo: The title brought FPS games to consoles."

some of you are just inserting your own bias into Peter's words

Hypocrite much?

 

[Acepilotf14]

Why did Halo bring FPS games to the console, because Peter M. said so? Because your inbred in-laws have heard of it?

How do you "bring" a genre to a console when the same genre already existed on consoles for almost 5 years? You don't. You might improve the console FPS genre by adding vehicles like Halo did, craft an interesting world and story like Halo did. I won't argue that Halo is the most popular FPS game on consoles, but it didn't bring FPS to the consoles as this genre had existed on consoles long before Halo ever came around.

Halo was the one of the first, and most popular, to show that an FPS can be done using two joysticks and other buttons. Goldeneye was incredibly different, and had a different control scheme. Halo showed that an FPS can be done without a mouse, AND be massively popular.

plus, go play goldeneye now and marvel at the auto-aim. Halo's auto-aim wasn't quite on that level.

 

[<RJMC>]

half-life1 was on ps2 and was the same as the pc version so I think that one developed more the fps in console

 

[CptStern]

Why did Halo bring FPS games to the console, because Peter M. said so?

at least he gave reasoning behind his choice, you just expected us to take your word for it even though you have absolutely nothing to back up your statement and didnt understand his reasoning in the first place.

Because your inbred in-laws have heard of it?

lol overreact much? not my fault reading comprehension isnt your strongest skill. try actually reading what he said

How do you "bring" a genre to a console when the same genre already existed on consoles for almost 5 years?

really this is what you understood from what he said? really are you that dense that you think he's saying there were no console fps before Halo? really why do I bother wasting my time arguing with people who DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THEY'RE ARGUING ABOUT. sheesh, it was even expalined by several people in this thread

You don't. You might improve the console FPS genre by adding vehicles like Halo did, craft an interesting world and story like Halo did. I won't argue that Halo is the most popular FPS game on consoles, but it didn't bring FPS to the consoles as this genre had existed on consoles long before Halo ever came around.

right over your head. you didnt understand a WORD of that original article. it might as well have been written in ancient Aramaic or sandskrit.

Why don't you try reading what was actually said. He said nothing of revolutionizing the genre.

"Halo: The title brought FPS games to consoles."

you truely are dense; it's right there in the title of the article and in the OP:

"Molyneux Picks 5 Most Revolutionary Games of Past 20 Years"

Hypocrite much?

I dont think that words means what you think it means. I didnt iinsert ANY bias because guess what? I think Halo is mediocre at best and have said as much dozens of times over the years. I couldnt give 2 shits about Halo or Molyneaux. I just hate it when people speak from their A-holes

 

[kupocake]

Let's read the original article guys. It's pretty difficult to grasp why simply bringing a pre-existing genre from one machine to another is 'revolutionary', especially when he then doesn't consider anything before or since to be similarly 'revolutionary', but that's because Kotaku give a pretty biased summary of the original article

Molly also mentions Halo's 'introducing regenerative health and solving the tricky issue of multiple weapon swapping by limiting the player to 2 guns at a time', which are far more salient points. Halo still sucks, but even the mighty Valve have experimented with or implemented both of these features in their designs since Halo.

More daft is his World of Warcraft reasoning, where the claim is made that 'traditional videogame design [dictates] that the player should have access to everything the game had to offer almost immediately', which err... is surely a big towering hill of bullshit.

As for Tomb Raider, the much celebrated 'advent' of the female protagonist has always been bullshit reasoning, but the creation of any moderately interesting protagonist, facilitated by the tech of the early 3D-era was a watershed moment in gaming, whether we like it or not.

 

[Qonfused]

sheesh some of you just jump on the hate bandwagon without thinking things through

I love you Stern.

 

[Kadayi]

I don't agree with his picks, but I see the rationale he is employing in making them. Everyones fascination is different gents, simply because someone else's differs from yours doesn't necessarily make them a douche I'm afraid.

 

[nipples]

yes ....that's his point, it was the first massively popular game that had a female protagonist.

Its not like we live in the 1920's and its not like there was a huge influx of games with female protagonists after Tomb Raider came out.

 

[TheOneFreeMan]

As for Tomb Raider, the much celebrated 'advent' of the female protagonist has always been bullshit reasoning, but the creation of any moderately interesting protagonist, facilitated by the tech of the early 3D-era was a watershed moment in gaming, whether we like it or not.

Except if we look at Lara Croft's first appearance, there isn't anything even moderately interesting about her apart from the fact that she has enormous breasts. She barely even talks in the first Tomb Raider game. You could've just stuck a 3D Playboy model in there and got the same effect.

That's why I suggested Silent Hill 3 as a better example for what Peter M was obviously choosing Tomb Raider for. SH3 had a fully realised heroine that was an actual character, and didn't pander to any sexual stereotypes (being blonde and a video game heroine would automatically have pre-determined a lot of things about that character before then). Valve did it also in HL2 by adopting an overtly tomboy approach to Alyx.

Unfortunately, Lara Croft ensured we still get characters like this:

yes ....that's his point, it was the first massively popular game that had a female protagonist.

CptStern, you might as well imply that Pamela Anderson furthered the cause of women in the acting profession.

some of you are just inserting your own bias into Peter's words as if he himself said them when he didnt. who cares if Silent Hill had a better feamle protagonist than Tomb Raider. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. sheesh some of you just jump on the hate bandwagon without thinking things through

I never said it had anything to do with Silent Hill or Half-Life 2 having better female protagonists ... I said that they had female protagonists which existed for more purpose than that of male titillation. Lara Croft wasn't even really a character when she first came about; she was more a pin-up with animation.

Same with Halo. I never said it didn't deserve to be on that list on the virtue that it wasn't as good in comparison with some other game; I said it didn't deserve to be on there because what it brought to the genre and how it influenced games which followed it pales in comparison to the other games which I mentioned. This is a list of the most revolutionary games. The games I mentioned were more revolutionary in the same field, and thus deserve to be on that list instead of Halo.

You don't invent bread, lay down the foundation of bread-making, make massive leaps and bounds in bread-making quality, and then have someone else take that bread over to another country (or console, in this instance) and have them be hailed as a big revolutionary hero. Celebrate the men who made the bloody bread.

 

[Kadayi]

Its not like we live in the 1920's and its not like there was a huge influx of games with female protagonists after Tomb Raider came out.

Cate Archer, Jade, Faith, Joanna Dark, Samus Aran, Nariko. I'm sure there are more.

 

[kupocake]

Except if we look at Lara Croft's first appearance, there isn't anything even moderately interesting about her apart from the fact that she has enormous breasts. She barely even talks in the first Tomb Raider game. You could've just stuck a 3D Playboy model in there and got the same effect.

Well yes. The achievement was making anything at all in that direction, not making a particularly endearing or good character, and Molly certainly isn't making that claim anyway.

But you have to give them some credit for making a vague fiction back in those days. The fact that the training levels were set in her mansion used to blow my mind back in the day.

You don't invent bread, lay down the foundation of bread-making, make massive leaps and bounds in bread-making quality, and then have someone else take that bread over to another country (or console, in this instance) and have them be hailed as a big revolutionary hero. Celebrate the men who made the bloody bread.

Being Devil's advocate here, but it probably bares mentioning that you don't have to look far in the history of invention to find examples where the real originator of an idea or a working product isn't the person we remember. I completely agree with you of course, but there is something to be said for seeing a decent idea and getting it out of its niche to where the most people can revel in it.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Most lists are shit and this one is no different. Ultima Underworld should be on there at least. :E

 

[TwwIX]

Halo brought over hypeage and mass advertising to the consoles.

GoldenEye and Perfect Dark are superior games in every aspect and would have been even more popular if online play was available for the N64.

 

[Cpt Tenacious]

The only reason you all hate Halo is because it's so popular, just admit it.

 

[Deleted member 56031]

well yeah :|

Halo brought over hypeage and mass advertising to the consoles.

This is it, halo changed gaming forever and not in a good way

 

[the cow says moo]

yes ....that's his point, it was the first massively popular game that had a female protagonist.

Samus was the first.

 

[Stigmata]

Halo brought over hypeage and mass advertising to the consoles.

GoldenEye and Perfect Dark are superior games in every aspect and would have been even more popular if online play was available for the N64.

I love Perfect Dark to death, but let's be fair, Halo also brought and/or popularised the control archetype used by pretty much every modern console shooter since 2001.

 

[Wanted Bob]

Halo brought over hypeage and mass advertising to the consoles.

GoldenEye and Perfect Dark are superior games in every aspect and would have been even more popular if online play was available for the N64.

It's impossible to say what would have or should have happened. Things worked out the way they did for a reason, and regardless of whether some people think GoldenEye and Perfect Dark are "better" games, they did not open the floodgates for the rush of console shooters. Think about how many console shooters there were back then, and how many there are now.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Samus was the first.

Wrong:

 

[the cow says moo]

touché

 

[kupocake]

You know, I'm not convinced I've ever seen Ms Pac Man in the same room as her supposed fiance.

 

[VictimOfScience]

You know, I'm not convinced I've ever seen Ms Pac Man in the same room as her supposed fiance.

Beard?

 

[Krynn72]

All of those games may have been revolutionary for those reasons, but all of those things are things developers should aspire not to be except for maybe the first two.