Piracy

[DigiQ8]

Mighty Evo posted this on his blog, it's a great read

 

[Cavalry]

that was a long thought

 

[Evo]

Long thoughts are good thoughts =]

 

[PimpinPenguin]

I got to say Evo, i really like reading your blog, it's really good.

 

[Evo]

\o/

Thanks Penguin =]

 

[Raziaar]

It would have been great if you mentioned Stardock.

Stardock is an amazing company that doesn't utilize any piracy protection in their two latest games, Galactic Civilization II and Sins of a Solar Empire. No piracy protection at all. You just need a key to play online and to download updates.

I have bought all of their games to date so far starting with Galactic Civilization II, the first expansion, and Sins of a Solar Empire. I feel great about supporting a company that takes this approach.

 

[Asknoone]

Blatant advertising. DigiQ is clearly being manipulated into posting this – he was no doubt nudged into it on IM. For shame, Evo. For Shame. You have lost a valuable reader for this crude attempt to whore your blog.

 

[DigiQ8]

Blatant advertising. DigiQ is clearly being manipulated into posting this – he was no doubt nudged into it on IM. For shame, Evo. For Shame. You have lost a valuable reader for this crude attempt to whore your blog.

Evo's Blog > HL2net

/runs

 

[Evo]

It would have been great if you mentioned Stardock.

Stardock is an amazing company that doesn't utilize any piracy protection in their two latest games, Galactic Civilization II and Sins of a Solar Empire. No piracy protection at all. You just need a key to play online and to download updates.

I have bought all of their games to date so far starting with Galactic Civilization II, the first expansion, and Sins of a Solar Empire. I feel great about supporting a company that takes this approach.

I think I mentioned Sins of a Solar Empire briefly, but I haven't looked in-depth into their approach, maybe I should've..*shrugs* but I think 1000 words pretty much off the top of my head was decent

Blatant advertising. DigiQ is clearly being manipulated into posting this ? he was no doubt nudged into it on IM. For shame, Evo. For Shame. You have lost a valuable reader for this crude attempt to whore your blog.

I in no way manipulated Dig into making this post :arms:

Evo's Blog > HL2net

/runs

Blatant lies!

 

[Asknoone]

You manipulate the man into spreading venomous hyperbole – Evo's blog > hl2.net, which I have on good authority isn't even proper maths! - and then you put him down and contradict the fellow!?

 

[DigiQ8]

must...resist......must show evidence

 

[Evo]

*Evo quickly retreats and goes to bed in shame*

 

[DigiQ8]

for the record, i didn't even read it, i just copied random text and told him it's great

 

[Vegeta897]

lol Digi.

 

[MRG]

That was a very good, well thought out read Evo. Kudos.

for the record, i didn't even read it, i just copied random text and told him it's great

LMAO! Oh & hello Digi, It's been a long time..

-MRG

 

[DEATHMASTER]

"In the games forum"
"Oh"

lol.

 

[Krynn72]

for the record, i didn't even read it, i just copied random text and told him it's great

I lol'd


Good read too. Although thats how I've felt on the issue for awhile now, hopefully more people will understand that 99% of anti-piracy measures will just lead to more piracy.

 

[Gargantou]

"The gaming industry must follow, take a deep breath and scrap what it is drive people to pirate; the anti-piracy measures."

No offense but that's bullshit, most people I know here in Sweden atleast, are driven by something called GREED, they do not want to pay money for their games.

Apparently these days, being 'poor' makes copyright breach ok.

Anyway, my end point is we should feed all pirates to the sharks. Arr.

 

[Krynn72]

Well instead of buying Bioshock like I was planning, I heard about the 3 activation or whatever bullshit and downloaded it instead. That pissed me off when they released that bit of information.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

I heard it while I was installing it. I thought the whole "uninstall to get back reinstalling ability" is complete bullshit; what if I need to reformat and forget? True BS.

 

[Sedako]

Nicely done Evo. Pretty much sums of the current state of things. Steam, as I see it, is the best thing going for PC developers currently. As it gains in popularity, and more developers devise similar downloading apps of their own, perhaps we'll see a decline in the need for publishers like EA. That would be great. Of course, there will always be people that prefer to buy physical discs rather than download their content. Perhaps as we advance, the demand for said disks will decrease.

 

[Evo]

Gargantou - the 'greed' aspect of piracy is one that won't ever go away, piracy will always happen so it is best to take steps to stop people pirating because they are fed up with certain aspects of the industry right now.

 

[Gargantou]

What about piracy on consoles then?
You can't really blame piracy on consoles on 'copyprotection', yet it's still very widespread, how are we gonna solve that?
AFAIK console gaming industry is larger than the commercial PC gaming industry..

 

[Evo]

What about piracy on consoles then?
You can't really blame piracy on consoles on 'copyprotection', yet it's still very widespread, how are we gonna solve that?
AFAIK console gaming industry is larger than the commercial PC gaming industry..

I don't know anything about console piracy, I don't want to go commenting on something I don't really know about.
Second point - any figures showing console industry being bigger than the PC industry currently ignore Steam/MMOs/PopCap/Stardock etc. so it is unfair to say that the console industry is larger than PC gaming outright.

 

[Druckles]

I heard it while I was installing it. I thought the whole "uninstall to get back reinstalling ability" is complete bullshit; what if I need to reformat and forget? True BS.

Um... what's this?

 

[Gargantou]

Evo, http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165631

So you honestly believe that PC gaming making up for 17% of all gaming sales being PC sales, rest being console and portables, is NOT a big difference?

And I doubt Steam etc sales are enough to push it to 50% from just 17%..

Maybe with digital distribution would be more like 40% PC games, 60% portables and consoles, but even then, that makes a large difference, especially when you look at the amount of money that is circulated inside the industry..

 

[Evo]

Steam sales, digital distribution, monthly MMO subs, casual games. The PC industry is massive, it is just that NPD figures don't take these things into account.

 

[Gargantou]

Did you actually READ my post?

"And I doubt Steam etc sales are enough to push it to 50% from just 17%"(Physical retail sales).

Also, below that.

"Maybe with digital distribution would be more like 40% PC games, 60% portables and consoles, but even then, that makes a large difference, especially when you look at the amount of money that is circulated inside the industry.."

 

[Evo]

You just mentioned digital distribution which is why I mentioned the other stuff and the inaccuracy of NPD reports

 

[Druckles]

40% PC games, 60% portables and consoles

That's a majority on the part of the PC. The portables/consoles sector contain several different platforms such as PS3/360. There is only one PC.

 

[Gargantou]

So? That wasn't part of my point, my point was that the console industry as a whole is probably larger than the PC industry(commercially gaming-wise), and that he completely ignores the topic of piracy on consoles, which can't simply be attributed to "Copyprotection"

 

[Evo]

So? That wasn't part of my point, my point was that the console industry as a whole is probably larger than the PC industry(commercially gaming-wise), and that he completely ignores the topic of piracy on consoles, which can't simply be attributed to "Copyprotection"

I don't know anything about console piracy, I don't want to go commenting on something I don't really know about.

I am not going to comment on an area that I know little to nothing about, that would be poor journalism.

Think about this though, the title of my blog.

Evo?s PC Gaming Blog
Chris ?Evo? Evans on PC Gaming?.good bad or ugly I cover it!

Why am I going to go into detail on consoles when I don't even say that my blog is covering consoles?

Yes consoles may have a big problem with piracy, but if I don't know anything about it, it doesn't interest me, then I see no need to cover it.

 

[Gargantou]

I never said your blog should cover it or claimed to cover it, however, the title of this thread is simply Piracy, not PC Piracy, so I feel it's appropriate to comment on the piracy problems for the consoles.

 

[Evo]

Ah that is a good point that I will take into account!

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Um... what's this?

Bioshock

 

[Druckles]

Bioshock

Yes, I figured that much

I meant what about it?

 

[DEATHMASTER]

You're ****ed if you don't uninstall it before installing it on another computer. So if you reformat without uninstalling it, you're ****ed.
EDIT: Well I just decided to check and see if they did anything about it, seems like they did. Doesn't take away the fact that it was a completely boneheaded thing to do in the first place.
http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/revoketool.html

 

[Gargantou]

Ah that is a good point that I will take into account!

Yeah thanks, I'm sorry anyway, I know I can come off as an ass alot of times but I really did not mean to flame/offend you.

I think you in your blogposts do make alot of valid points.

One of the main reasons I use Steam is to get past the annoying copyprotections that some games make use of.

 

[Evo]

Yeah thanks, I'm sorry anyway, I know I can come off as an ass alot of times but I really did not mean to flame/offend you.

I think you in your blogposts do make alot of valid points.

One of the main reasons I use Steam is to get past the annoying copyprotections that some games make use of.

No you didn't offend, we just got our wires crossed

 

[boglito]

I could not disagree more with this blog. Chris Taylor is right: In a few years there will be no tripple-a games that can be played without a consistent broadband connection. That is the only thing that can save PC-gaming against the malignant cancer that is piracy.