Poll on Abortion

[CptStern]

this thread is pointless because the majority of us are male and would never have to make such a difficult decision

 

[kmack]

I'm sure i read those exact words yesterday or something, in this thread i think.
I got the same feeling i get with deja vu, now what does that tell you.

which part of

ive said it before, and ill say it again:

did you not understand on a large enough level to justify a post concerning it and not the topic?

 

[shumlya4012]

this thread is pointless because the majority of us are male and would never have to make such a difficult decision

good point, but males dominate the gov. positions that make the decision on wheather to make abortion legal or ilegal

 

[CptStern]

yes but it shouldnt even be an issue that the government needs to step in ...religious groups are why the government has to step in

 

[shumlya4012]

yes but it shouldnt even be an issue that the government needs to step in ...religious groups are why the government has to step in

true

needless to say anything else :rolling:

 

[kmack]

good point, but males dominate the gov. positions that make the decision on wheather to make abortion legal or ilegal

and i dont think it is our right to do so.

i bet if men had babies, abortion would be 100% legal :E

 

[CptStern]

if men had babies we'd be extinct by now :E

 

[GiaOmerta]

Good point Stern.

 

[kmack]

if men had babies we'd be extinct by now :E

no, we'd just have really wide weiners, you see what im saying though.

 

[CptStern]

no, we'd just have really wide weiners, you see what im saying though.

ugh! sounds painful ...to go from a pinhead sized hole to the size of a football HAS to hurt

 

[kmack]

ugh! sounds painful ...to go from a pinhead sized hole to the size of a football HAS to hurt

ask your mother

or anywoman who has given birth (i weighed 11.1 lbs at birth )

 

[CptStern]

ask your mother

or anywoman who has given birth (i weighed 11.1 lbs at birth )

I "helped" deliver my son ..the look of pain on my wife's face ...and he was only 3 pounds when he was born

 

[Ennui]

Like squeezing a ping-pong ball out of the end of your penis.

/me watches all the males wince.

I don't think abortion is a subject males can really debate. It's up to the woman, IMO, as long as it isn't being used as a form of birth control.

 

[baxter]

I "helped" deliver my son ..the look of pain on my wife's face ...and he was only 3 pounds when he was born

3lbs...wow he must have been tiny.

My daughter wieghed in a 6lbs and she was just a little dolly.

Sorry off topic....

 

[GiaOmerta]

IMO, as long as it isn't being used as a form of birth control.

I kind of agree with you there.

"OH NOES, I GOT PREGNANT! ABORTION TIME!"

**** that.

 

[kmack]

I kind of agree with you there.

"OH NOES, I GOT PREGNANT! ABORTION TIME!"

**** that.

it should be a last option definatly. something for women who are raped, or too poor to bring another child into the world, or too young, 16 year olds 17 year olds in high school shouldnt be FORCED to have a baby. (i know they werent forced to have sex, but why make them pay for that mistake their whole lives)

 

[iyfyoufhl]

I don't think abortion is a subject males can really debate. It's up to the woman, .

well, i think males have as much rights to debating abortions as women (ok maybe slightly less, but still) because ever child has not only a mother, but a father as well, and he should defenetly have a voice too

 

[CptStern]

3lbs...wow he must have been tiny.

My daughter wieghed in a 6lbs and she was just a little dolly.

Sorry off topic....

actually he was big for his age: 28 weeks ...he was born 3 months pre-mature ...most difficult period of my life

 

[Shamrock]

I can't agree with you on one thing. A woman's social life should never matter. If she was the one that had premarital sex and got herself into this trouble and is, furthermore, concerned on her own social status, she must have the child. That is like Mary saying, "Oh, I don't want to have this child. I can't get into the virgin society now."

 

[baxter]

actually he was big for his age: 28 weeks ...he was born 3 months pre-mature ...most difficult period of my life

I was at the birth of my three children and got nothing but abuse and curses from my wife, during the delivery.
I tip my hat to you, well done. :thumbs:

 

[bliink]

Topic please

 

[Styloid]

I'm sorry but I didn't read the WHOLE thread but it just seemed like most issues are stuck at the 'is life sacred?' problem. I think everyone who debates anything has to narrow their scope and try not to hit these snags that usually make the arguments worthless.

First, I think abortions should be legal just like I think the death penalty should be legal. By legal, I mean that it is an option; we don't completely disregard it. In neither case, however, do I think it should be lightly used. I see both as removing a life and I think that requires serious discernment (and probably rarity of use). Unfortunately I also see that both are being used lightly. Abortion is the result of 25% of pregnancies in Canada (Sorry, only familiar with Can.). The main cause is (I hate to be disrespectful but) uncautious teenagers.

What I get from this is that abortions have become:
1. A form of 'birth control'. It is accessible and well 'advertised' by many sources resulting in teenagers seeing sex as 'foolproof'. Unfortunately, (and in a perfect world this wouldn't be the case) this attitude produces cases of STD's and unwanted pregnancies in huge numbers.
2. A political badge. "Hey, he's pro-choice so he must be a liberal like me!" (and vice versa). The actual topic (along with gay marriage or gun control) has become more like political rallying points than a debate on what is best for the people. Inevitably, the sides become polarized; their stance becomes stronger and stronger and so does their push for their side. I guess I can see evidence for this when there are ads in magazines, on the internet, on TV, wherever, showing girls how 'easy' and safe it is to get an abortion. These only reinforce the 'birth control' idea rather than abortion as an act of responsibility.

 

[Raziaar]

I'm sorry but I didn't read the WHOLE thread but it just seemed like most issues are stuck at the 'is life sacred?' problem. I think everyone who debates anything has to narrow their scope and try not to hit these snags that usually make the arguments worthless.

First, I think abortions should be legal just like I think the death penalty should be legal. By legal, I mean that it is an option; we don't completely disregard it. In neither case, however, do I think it should be lightly used. I see both as removing a life and I think that requires serious discernment (and probably rarity of use). Unfortunately I also see that both are being used lightly. Abortion is the result of 25% of pregnancies in Canada (Sorry, only familiar with Can.). The main cause is (I hate to be disrespectful but) uncautious teenagers.

What I get from this is that abortions have become:
1. A form of 'birth control'. It is accessible and well 'advertised' by many sources resulting in teenagers seeing sex as 'foolproof'. Unfortunately, (and in a perfect world this wouldn't be the case) this attitude produces cases of STD's and unwanted pregnancies in huge numbers.
2. A political badge. "Hey, he's pro-choice so he must be a liberal like me!" (and vice versa). The actual topic (along with gay marriage or gun control) has become more like political rallying points than a debate on what is best for the people. Inevitably, the sides become polarized; their stance becomes stronger and stronger and so does their push for their side. I guess I can see evidence for this when there are ads in magazines, on the internet, on TV, wherever, showing girls how 'easy' and safe it is to get an abortion. These only reinforce the 'birth control' idea rather than abortion as an act of responsibility.

Very well done post. I couldn't agree more.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I'm sorry but I didn't read the WHOLE thread but it just seemed like most issues are stuck at the 'is life sacred?' problem. I think everyone who debates anything has to narrow their scope and try not to hit these snags that usually make the arguments worthless.

First, I think abortions should be legal just like I think the death penalty should be legal. By legal, I mean that it is an option; we don't completely disregard it. In neither case, however, do I think it should be lightly used. I see both as removing a life and I think that requires serious discernment (and probably rarity of use). Unfortunately I also see that both are being used lightly. Abortion is the result of 25% of pregnancies in Canada (Sorry, only familiar with Can.). The main cause is (I hate to be disrespectful but) uncautious teenagers.

What I get from this is that abortions have become:
1. A form of 'birth control'. It is accessible and well 'advertised' by many sources resulting in teenagers seeing sex as 'foolproof'. Unfortunately, (and in a perfect world this wouldn't be the case) this attitude produces cases of STD's and unwanted pregnancies in huge numbers.
2. A political badge. "Hey, he's pro-choice so he must be a liberal like me!" (and vice versa). The actual topic (along with gay marriage or gun control) has become more like political rallying points than a debate on what is best for the people. Inevitably, the sides become polarized; their stance becomes stronger and stronger and so does their push for their side. I guess I can see evidence for this when there are ads in magazines, on the internet, on TV, wherever, showing girls how 'easy' and safe it is to get an abortion. These only reinforce the 'birth control' idea rather than abortion as an act of responsibility.

While overall I don't support abortion, especially partial birth abortions which are legal here in California, I find your opinion to be extremely inciteful and the most agreeable one that I have come across in this thread. Bravo, how very liberaterian of you (no sarcasm intended).

 

[Asus]

I do not think abortion is justified in that position. It is a life that would be sacrificed for his/her mom's personal ambitions. I think that is way too selfish. She's single, too bad. It was her choice and choice has responsibilities. You can't make another choice to get out of it. One might say 'Two wrongs don't make a right'.

Adoption would be the best alternative if she did not want to raise a baby, for her and the baby.

 

[kmack]

Adoption would be the best alternative if she did not want to raise a baby, for her and the baby.

pregnancy is dangerous for mother and baby.

also a baby who gets put into foster care has a long difficult road in some cases, its not really a great solution (arguably better than death though), just something to think about.

 

[Asus]

pregnancy is dangerous for mother and baby.

also a baby who gets put into foster care has a long difficult road in some cases, its not really a great solution (arguably better than death though), just something to think about.

I would say it's justified. I would value that life.

 

[kmack]

I would say it's justified. I would value that life.

but what about after it's born. the sentiment among so many pro-life people is basically "ok she had the baby now **** em". the woman is left without much help, to put her child in a broken foster care system, or try to raise it herself on limited income. before abortion is made illegal, something needs to be put in place to protect these women, and more importantly their babies. no matter how hateful you are of the women and their mistakes, the child is innocent and should be given the same chancce as everyone else i you are forcing it to be brought into the world.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

pregnancy is dangerous for mother and baby.

.

well, abortion is also dangerous for the mother and..., well, you know about the baby

 

[kmack]

well, abortion is also dangerous for the mother and..., well, you know about the baby

just the baby really

 

[ríomhaire]

pregnancy is dangerous * for baby.

*Changed for enphasis*
That is just stupid, pregnacy is dangerous for the baby? How can you possibly jusify that absurd statement?

 

[kmack]

*Changed for enphasis*
That is just stupid, pregnacy is dangerous for the baby? How can you possibly jusify that absurd statement?

excuse me, but how many babies die during childbirth? Have you ever heard of a miscarriage?

i hope (for your sake) that your post was a joke.

 

[ríomhaire]

excuse me, but how many babies die during childbirth? Have you ever heard of a miscarriage?

i hope (for your sake) that your post was a joke.

And are you saying killing babies is ok because you're stoppong them from miscarriaging?

 

[kmack]

*Changed for enphasis*
That is just stupid, pregnacy is dangerous for the baby? How can you possibly jusify that absurd statement?

excuse me, but how many babies die during childbirth? Have you ever heard of a miscarriage?

i hope (for your sake) that your post was a joke.

And are you saying killing babies is ok because you're stoppong them from miscarriaging?

i was answering your ridiculous accusation. look at the posts, look at what you did! look at your shame! *rubss riomhaire's nose in his shame*

 

[iyfyoufhl]

*Changed for enphasis*
That is just stupid, pregnacy is dangerous for the baby? How can you possibly jusify that absurd statement?

acually i ment that the abortion is dangeras for the mother

my aunt, had an abortion when she was 18, she can't have children again and she has some problems with her urinal system

abortion at young ages is espesially dangeras

 

[Raziaar]

excuse me, but how many babies die during childbirth? Have you ever heard of a miscarriage?

i hope (for your sake) that your post was a joke.

You're comparing the absolutely natural way of nature preventing babies from being born to the cold steeled abortion methods? Right....

 

[iyfyoufhl]

You're comparing the absolutely natural way of nature preventing babies from being born to the cold steeled abortion methods? Right....

i think he has a point, miscarage - natural accident
abortion - intensional _______(insert proper wording)

 

[kmack]

You're comparing the absolutely natural way of nature preventing babies from being born to the cold steeled abortion methods? Right....

abortion is nature too! a woman doesnt want a baby so she ends it, just nature taking its course. :thumbs:

 

[Raziaar]

abortion is nature too! a woman doesnt want a baby so she ends it, just nature taking its course. :thumbs:

<rolls his eyes> The only thing your statement proves about nature is the obvious intelligence quotient differences in the species, or lack of as evidenced in this case.

 

[Absinthe]

Should women with miscarriages be charged with manslaughter?