Poll: Why was the US attacked on 9/11?

[burner69]

You guys are all arguing over articles that you have seen on the internet and shit. None of you have first hand experience. I read an article that said this! Well I read an article that said that!! None of you obviously know what youre talking about and you are only backing up what you have seen, not what you know. And if you dont live in the United States then you cannot say shit about its "evilness", terrible politics, or how stupid we all are, because the only stuff you have to back yourself up is from the f*cking media!!

So you've seen what American policy does to third world countries? You've seen the US trading WMDs with countries that break human rights? You've seen Bush ignoring the Kyoto agreement? You were in that apache that blew away those rather civilian-looking people on that video?

Well, fair play then if you saw that. Just a question, if we aren't allowed to get information from the media/interenet/poo where did you create the assumption that Al Quaeda attacked because it was 'jealous' of the US being free, and working to help eachother? Coz, you know, I've seen Bush saying very similar things on the TV... and it just sounded for a second there that *gasp* you might be using the media to get information.

 

[Tr0n]

Im from the US, whos side are you on anyway? What does Kthxbai mean? Since Im in the Army I do have some first hand experience, I know what is going on in Iraq, I know what our troops are dying for, I know how dedicated the US military is, and I know that we are helping people. Does that answer your question mr. tron?

Not really.

Sides?I don't take others sides...only my own.Just because I might seem like I side with the "liberals" or "right wingers" sometimes doesn't mean I side with them.

Also Kthxbai...is short for Ok thanks bye.

 

[MjM]

I guess, its just a long term thing. Since the end of WW2 the US has had its fingers in the mix trying to get its own way in the Middle East. Naturally wen u force stuff upon people they react.

As for fearing terrorism. I dont fear it in NZ tbh, i think i would if i was overseas. I cant percieve any threats as of this moment to NZ.

NZ Internal Affairs caught Israeli Mosad agents trying to get NZ Passports, so we got a good rap in the MidEast .

 

[burner69]

Im from the US, whos side are you on anyway?

You're either with us or against us, mr tron
Hate that approach.

 

[Hercules331]

Not really.

Sides?I don't take others sides...only my own.Just because I might seem like I side with the "liberals" or "right wingers" sometimes doesn't mean I side with them.

Also Kthxbai...is short for Ok thanks bye.

Ok then whats your point?

 

[Tr0n]

Ok then whats your point?

That our current goverment can kiss my white alabama ass.

This goverment stands for freedom and truth...yet lie and help dictators.Which goes against what OUR founding fathers taught.

 

[MjM]

How stink is it you only have two choices during US elections. You need MMP. True representation.


Equally i would like to ask;

Why did America attack Iraq?, that seriously pissed my country off. It was a total load of BS.

And now its sounding like you got Iran in your sights, if you attack Iran, i think America will become a pariah state like Nth Korea.

 

[GhostFox]

You've seen Bush ignoring the Kyoto agreement?

You do know that the "hockey stick" graph used to show global warming and the need for Kyoto has been completely discredited, don't you?

I'm sure you also know that Kyoto didn't really reduce pollution. You just had to pay for it.

 

[Hercules331]

How stink is it you only have two choices during US elections. You need MMP. True representation.

Well you obviously have never voted in America. We have more than 2 choices. We also narrow it down from many runners before the final election. Do your research before you say stuff like that.

 

[MjM]

Well you obviously have never voted in America. We have more than 2 choices. We also narrow it down from many runners before the final election. Do your research before you say stuff like that.

So how many SERIOUS parties, 3 max?

 

[GhostFox]

So how many parties, 3 max?

There are hundreds of politial parties in America. However most of them are too extreme to ever get any meaningful representation of the vote.

 

[Tr0n]

Well you obviously have never voted in America. We have more than 2 choices. We also narrow it down from many runners before the final election. Do your research before you say stuff like that.

Yea but they always get rubbed out of the picture.

 

[burner69]

I'm sure you also know that Kyoto didn't really reduce pollution. You just had to pay for it.

Global warming data has been critisised, but does not change the fact that greenhouse gases cause a rise in the Earth's temperature. It does not change the fact that America is making a lot of pollution, which isn't good for the environment, and is showing little signs of wanting to reduce it.

And herc, you may be able to vote from a selection of more than two, but the media concentrates so strongly on the leading two, the chances of anyone else getting into office are virtually zero... of course you could always just ignore the elections and go into power without being voted in. How bout that?

 

[MjM]

From what i read, the last election $880 Million was spent by the Democrats and Republicans.

How can smaller parties contend with that, they cant. So realistically you have 2 parties. Granted there are the protest vote parties, but on the political landscape in the US they are virtually ineffectual.

Is that a reasonably accurate assessment?

 

[Cole]

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[Tr0n]

From what i read, the last election $880 Million was spent by the Democrats and Republicans.

How can smaller parties contend with that, they cant. So realistically you have 2 parties. Granted there are the protest vote parties, but on the political landscape in the US they are virtually ineffectual.

Is that a reasonably accurate assessment?

Yes...yes it is.

 

[GhostFox]

but does not change the fact that greenhouse gases cause a rise in the Earth's temperature.

Actually there is a lot of evidence suggesting that all the polution in the world doesn't even come remotely close to creating a tempature increase from greenhouse gases. It may not even be possible if you tried to use them to increase world temp.

And I wish it would. It's about -50 here every day. Stupid Rick Mercer. I'll show you where to shove your 'One Ton'.

That doesn't mean that I am saying global warming doesn't exist, only that there is insuffiecient evidence to support it. Global cooling actually looks like it might be the next hot button issue.

It does not change the fact that America is making a lot of pollution, which isn't good for the environment

I agree completely. I think there needs to be a much bigger push for clean energy and less pollution. However I don't support Kyoto becuase it does none of that. It is counter-productive to the cause.

 

[Hercules331]

It depends on the state how many choices you have, its usually around 6 or 7. Not only that, but in the primaries we choose who we want to run in the national election. So we decide who goes against who.

 

[GhostFox]

The two party system is a tried and true method. If you had 10 parties, would you really want one that only got 15% of the vote running the country?

 

[MjM]

AlterNet's Matt Wheeland notes, among other things, an analysis for Science magazine of 928 peer-reviewed studies on climate change.

And the number of those 928 studies that "disagreed either explicitly or implicitly with the consensus position, as stated by the UN's panel on climate change, that the observed global warming over the past 50 years has been caused by human activity"?

Zero.


http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/21164

Even the global warming deniers' oft-trotted out argument that there is considerable scientific disagreement on the issue has recently come under fire. Last December, Naomi Oreskes, a professor at UC San Diego, published an article in the journal Science examining 10 years of peer-reviewed studies containing "climate change" as keywords. Oreskes found that exactly zero of the 928 articles published between 1993 and 2003 disagreed either explicitly or implicitly with the consensus position, as stated by the UN's panel on climate change, that the observed global warming over the past 50 years has been caused by human activity.


Republicans for Environmental Progress
http://www.rep.org/opinions/pressreleases/release1-26-05.html

 

[MjM]

The two party system is a tried and true method. If you had 10 parties, would you really want one that only got 15% of the vote running the country?

Imo coallition governments provide far better representation of a country, than two large parties ever do. Many countries proove that.

 

[MarcoPollo]

Wow all I did was go away for an hour and a half and you guys got 2 pages Bravo!!! So I will try to respond to what happened when i was away! I think that Hurcules was trying to say a couple of pages ago , when he said that tr0n haden't experienced the conflicts and war first hand, is that the media isn't Omnipotent and probably not even begin to convey all the facts of this war.And as for the issue of global warming, I am pretty liberal when it comes to the economy. I think that global warming IS a present threat but I don't believe it will effect us THAT bad THAT quickly like alarmists' say it will. But I do think that we do need to find another source of energy besides fossill fuel not only because it is destroying the enviroment, but because eventually (50-60 years from now???) we will have to find a new source and if we run out of fossill fuel without another idea for energy we are ****ED. lol btw burn I'm missing your witty comebacks/ flames rofl.

PSS MjM i dont agree about your veiws on coalition governments (take that lol jp)

 

[kirovman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4234467.stm

Also I'm doing a course on atmospheric physics and meterology this semmester in my physics degree, so I'll tell you in June what I think about global warming

 

[Hercules331]

Man we have really gone off topic here. Im pretty sure that the terrorists didnt attack us because of how we pollute the planet. Just a guess though.

 

[kirovman]

Lol. Bloody eco-terrorists. Flying disceted gerbils into national landmarks so that we reduce our emissions.
Or threatening to start a Jihad on CFCs.

 

[Pesmerga]

The crusades were started by Christians, Muslims are just repaying the favor. Besides, they thought it'd be cool to be the only ones to attack US on it's own contiguous land.

 

[Sprafa]

Al-Quaeda's goal is to bring back good ol' conservator Theocratical Empire of Islam under a unified Khalifad. It won't happen, but it's a nice dream don't ya think ?

They might

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Because they could...

 

[Viperidae]

And I wish it would. It's about -50 here every day.

Oh really.

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/pages/CAMB0244.htm

I know you were exaggerating, but come on.

concern about their ability to deal with a terrorist threat was most pronounced in Vancouver – the site of the 2010 Summer Olympic Games

And yet there was a majority vote of the people to allow the Games in... hmm...

I'm more worried about getting shot or run over than being attacked by terrorists.

Oh and so when you decided that there should be 'Death to the CBC,' your alternative was FoxNews was it?

 

[Duracell]

I'm not sure if I should be surprised about the outcome of this poll. I chose the current winning option and to be honest I think it was probably the main reason why the US was attacked on 9/11.

But i'd like to point out there probably wasn't just a single reason why they were attacked, some people seem to think there is always one solid reason for things like this, there almost never is.

Some people/countrys just don't like the way America approch things, I for one feel the world is a safer place because of what happpend on 9/11, its just a shame so many people had to lose their life to make it a better place.

 

[GhostFox]

I know you were exaggerating, but come on.

This is a huge warm spell. Pretty much all of Jan. it was about -50 with the windchill nearly every day. Winnipeg is the coldest major city in the world. I hate the cold.

Oh and so when you decided that there should be 'Death to the CBC,' your alternative was FoxNews was it?

Actually I think it is fundamentally wrong for the govt. to own and operate media outlets. There are reasons why it is illegal so many places.

 

[clarky003]

Actually I think it is fundamentally wrong for the govt. to own and operate media outlets. There are reasons why it is illegal so many places.

something we all can agree on.

 

[Slay0r]

Maybe Bush did something bad like bombing some guys in Irak or someting :sniper:

 

[CptStern]

Actually I think it is fundamentally wrong for the govt. to own and operate media outlets. There are reasons why it is illegal so many places.

please, the cbc isnt Pravda or UT-1 (ukraine govt run tv). The cbc is less government run than the bbc ..it relies on mostly public money but also recieves a big chunck from ad revenue ..it's hardly government controlled as you suggest ...it has to conform to specific guidelines that are exactly the same as any other media outlet in canada ..really I'm starting to question whether you truely are canadian ...cbc is is as much canadian as the mounted police, poutine or hockey night in canada ..but you'd know that if you were canadian

 

[MarcoPollo]

slayor maybe you should goto newbie central or something. No offense, but this thread probably shouldn't be the first thing you post on.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Now with the US fulfilling every last idea people in Iraq and Afghan held of them, by invading, killing thousands of innocents, taking resources, subverting their religion, and taking power their (percieved or otherwise) we now have, rather than a few extremeists, two countries who DO NOT LIKE THE US, or indeed the coalition as a whole. So for your second question, do I feel safer, no - but I don't feel unsafe. Terrorism is rare enough for me not to worry about it. I'm more likely to die taking pills in a night club, and more likely to be hit by a bus than die taking pills in a nightclub etc.

No, we did'nt deny them they're religion. Second, we did'nt kill thousands of innocents intentionally.

... and I think thats all we need to say. Plus, then they're was that Northern Alliance Commander who was killed on the eve of 9/11. Poor basterd ... alls he wanted was his country back.

 

[VirusType2]

I have an idea, becuase I'm smart.

In the US

-They shouldn't be able to spend ANY money for campaign advertising, especially not 80 mill. or whatever it is.

-There should be several free time slots on national T.V. where all the runners for president get thier chance to speak!

That puts everyone on a level playing field.

good idea right?

We can make ideas like this happen, if only we had like 80 million dollars to campaign it.... DOH!

 

[seinfeldrules]

There should be several free time slots on national t.v. where all the runners for president get thier chance to speak!

So each of the 13249813134134 people now running for President now get an equal timeslot?

 

[VirusType2]

So each of the 13249813134134 people now running for President now get an equal timeslot?

What?

what is this value here? There is probably not that many people on EARTH

...ok I think im going to stay out of the politics section.

apparently,
you don't need a brain to have an opinion.


If you are exagerating to make your point or becuase you don't

know the specific value, you should pick a realistic estimate of

the people that could run for US presidency, not how many brain

cells you destroyed by sniffing your own ass.


I don't care if people agree with me or not, but this is rediculous man!

sigh* I hate politics

 

[Tr0n]

If you hate politics then don't come into this forum.

Also yes you do need a brain to have an opinion...without a brain...well you wouldn't alive. (duh!)