Potential Lawsuit against Vivendi

Ahhh....Monty Python...Brit comedy,Best in the world!!!!!

Even more off topic:Nice avatar mountain man...good old Doctor Who(Tom Baker was my favourite Doctor....)

Before you ask..i am so tired of the endless HL2 fluffing about so I thought I would just comment on the little things I see in these posts...

Aethaecyn...also nice avatar...cool movie.
 
Originally posted by Aethaecyn
Americans' are descended from ancient britain and continual wars with france most assuredly as much as modern english folks. Simply because something defines itself as another name does not change what it is, and simply because your name is still britain does not mean you are the same country that was their 100 years ago. And you right now is not the same person as was their 10 years ago, simply because something is based off of another thing does not make it that thing. Trust me you and your 10 year old self would be very different organisms despite their tendencies. Just cause your country hasn't changed it's name in a while doesn't make you wise. Don't be such a simpleton.

Next what is up with all the hyprocrits in here? They state that the americans are prejudiced against the french to celebrate their own know-nothingness. Which is a prejudice against americans that celebrates your own know-knothingness then?

=)
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'Prejudice' implies lack of experience or something on which to judge, but I was referring to a phenomena with many recent examples of American pettiness, both from public figures and the man on the street. Firstly, I never said this applies to all Americans. Secondly, I never layed out an argument for what I believe I've observed.

My real objection though is that you improperly take a post-Structuralist view of language to challenge the ability to say anything about anything, in this case Americans. The full extent of your position is that, in saying anything, we make generalizations, but then you say we can't make generalizations. I agree with you in the first part, but not the second.

If I were really vindicitve, I'd point out that France was the US's greatest ally for 100 years, especailly against Britain; in contrast, Britain and France's only real joint ventures, the World Wars, were very rocky (especially the last, of course). But I wouldn't do that. :dork:
 
Originally posted by Anthraxxx
Talking about lawsuits, has anyone heard a rumor about Nvidia suing Valve for releasing information about their ass crappy benchmarks? I saw the other day, somewhere, that Nvidia is suing Valve and making them rewrite the NV codepath just so the Nvidia's don't get sucky framerates. If that is so, it could be the reason for the delay. After all somone said that Valve said the the game wasn't finished...... could this be the reason?
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won't happen. atleast I hope it won't because that would really prove how stupid people are at Nvidia. Nvidia will most likely loose the lawsuit since it's really not Valves fault that they're introducing a new architechture for their next-gen cards that don't function well with VALVE'S default codepath. note that Valve have already spent a lot more time trying to optimize for Nvidia than ATI, which runs the game without any problems using the default path... as far as I can tell the fault is not with Valve but with Nvidia.
 
You people seriously need to pull your head out of your asses and lighten the hell up. I mean it... you people have egos that are sky high and are lacking a sense of humor only the dead can compare with.
Lighten up.
 
Originally posted by Ares
You people seriously need to pull your head out of your asses and lighten the hell up. I mean it... you people have egos that are sky high and are lacking a sense of humor only the dead can compare with.
Lighten up.
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Translation: 'Taking a position is always exclusively egotistical.' I don't think this even applies to the people I'm arguing with.

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"Prince of Space": MST3K reference?
 
Hmm I'd hardly define the world wars as Anglo/Franco joint ventures. More thrust upon all free nations than anything else. Though Britain has the dubious honour of having declared the world war. A lesser country might have allied with the Germans, an option we were given ample opportunity to take, requiring only that we allowed germany half of mainland Europe. It is testament to our moral fibre that we would prefer to risk everything sooner than ally with evil.
No-one at that time could have possibly stopped an Anglo-Germanic alliance, yet the harder option was always the right one to take...
 
Originally posted by Mr Neutron
Translation: 'Taking a position is always exclusively egotistical.' I don't think this even applies to the people I'm arguing with.

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"Prince of Space": MST3K reference?
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Not being able to stop the debate is usually due to a possible and unwanted thrash of the ego. In other words: Let the puny argument (r or debate, if you will) go, just as I will this one.
 
What is there to argue about? :p
Political correctness has gone mad, no one can take a bit of stick these days. People have to get used to the fact the world is a harsh place, who cares if someone makes an off-the-cuff remark about a French company? The problem comes not from these remarks, but from people who take throwaway comments on an internet chat forum as something significant.
 
Originally posted by Crusader
What is there to argue about? :p
Political correctness has gone mad, no one can take a bit of stick these days. People have to get used to the fact the world is a harsh place, who cares if someone makes an off-the-cuff remark about a French company? The problem comes not from these remarks, but from people who take throwaway comments on an internet chat forum as something significant.
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I most definently agree!
 
"Hmm I'd hardly define the world wars as Anglo/Franco joint ventures. More thrust upon all free nations than anything else."

I thought that was my point: hence the circumstantial alliance.

"It is testament to our moral fibre that we would prefer to risk everything sooner than ally with evil."

I'm sorry, but this is fantasy. Elite decision makers didn't want to lose their positions as head of the world empire, which German advances would have surely eventually brought about. Britain may have had a much freer society, but the two world wars were the last expressions of Western European nationalism, in particular Germany's having mostly lost out on the business of controlling the rest of the world. Yes, maybe, given the opportunity, the British public would have decided to make a sacrifice and resist at great sacrifice. Meanwhile in the US, Europe was viewed more than a little as a happy circumstance whereby the fascists and communists could eat each other.

Similarly, Americans supported the war in the Pacific out of the unrealistic fear of invasion, but the Pearl Harbor attack was the culmination of years of diplomatic and economic struggle with the US for economic and political domination of East Asia. That Japan was clearly in a state of violent nationalism is probably responsible for them being the one's to make such a crude maneuver; this doesn't mean American motivations were altruistic. The U.S. made such a huge effort, not mainly because of the affront of being attacked, but because of the U.S.'s infinite security mindset: economic challenges for supremacy will eventually lead to supremacy challenges on other fronts.

Thus ends the lesson.
 
Originally posted by Crusader
What is there to argue about? :p
Political correctness has gone mad, no one can take a bit of stick these days. People have to get used to the fact the world is a harsh place, who cares if someone makes an off-the-cuff remark about a French company? The problem comes not from these remarks, but from people who take throwaway comments on an internet chat forum as something significant.
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Obviously this isn't a serious debate or a forum of much consequence (how 'bout zero consequence?). I know that. But you're wrong to think there's nothing serious to say about people's off-the-cuff attitudes.

I also believe there are serious arguments for the existance of political correctness, but I don't hear very measured ones often. It's usually an expression of attitudes I find immature: "moderates" who believe extremists are all to blame and that all major problems are due to the stupidity of others incapable of seeing the obvious. Yeah I think most people are misguided, but I think it's an important and complicated question just why that is so.



I spidey-sense the mod hammer comming down on this thread real soon.
 
Firstly, venture implies a hazardous and premeditated undertaking, which in the case of the Allies, was not at all the reality of things. Therefore quite where you are coming from with the "Joint venture = circumstantial alliance, Duh!" is beyond me.

I'm sorry, but your position upon the first point is based on little more than fanciful opinion and seems bereft of facts.
Germany were willing to in fact protect the empire alongside us in order to ensure total domination by aryan peoples, historical literature shows that Hitler was very much Anglo-phile, and longstanding connections between the leaders of both nations caused the protracted stand-off period before the war began in earnest.

And thank you for pointing out the blindingly obvious, master, I would never have assumed the American involvement in WWII was anything more than altruistic (given they waited so many years to help stop the Nazi menace).

And now I'm going to bed
 
Oh hell, why does it matter, it's in the past and the Germans still rule us through the European Union anyway :p
 
Originally posted by Crusader
Oh hell, why does it matter, it's in the past and the Germans still rule us through the European Union anyway :p
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:LOL:
 
Originally posted by Ares
You people seriously need to pull your head out of your asses and lighten the hell up. I mean it... you people have egos that are sky high and are lacking a sense of humor only the dead can compare with.
Lighten up.
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yip.

"omg they called me a bad word :eek: mommy!"



:dozey:
 
comedy, all this from someone making a remark about a French company.
 
Er... getting back to the subject matter...

All I read into this thread is that, given the reports from Interplay, Valve Software may also run into trouble with VU (if they haven't already). Based on this, it would not be surprising to hear reports from Valve of a similar nature, and this may lead to further delay.
 
Originally posted by Crusader
Firstly, venture implies a hazardous and premeditated undertaking, which in the case of the Allies, was not at all the reality of things. Therefore quite where you are coming from with the "Joint venture = circumstantial alliance, Duh!" is beyond me.

I'm sorry, but your position upon the first point is based on little more than fanciful opinion and seems bereft of facts.
Germany were willing to in fact protect the empire alongside us in order to ensure total domination by aryan peoples, historical literature shows that Hitler was very much Anglo-phile, and longstanding connections between the leaders of both nations caused the protracted stand-off period before the war began in earnest.

And thank you for pointing out the blindingly obvious, master, I would never have assumed the American involvement in WWII was anything more than altruistic (given they waited so many years to help stop the Nazi menace).

And now I'm going to bed
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Here's another obvious lesson from your condescending master: you're taking this personally with no justification. First, I used the phrase "joint venture" for its (mild) irony: if you had a more productive attitude towards arguments, you wouldn't jump on people's rhetorical florishes, or you'd at least allow them to correct/clarify them.

Second, yes, my arguments are speculation. Not that they shouldn't be required to hold up to historical facts upon scrutiny, but I'm basing them upon my opinions of how I believe today's world works. Whatever Germany's true intentions towards Britain, the question is what did Britain perceive them to be. Whatever the solidity of Hitler's promises (no I don't know too much about the details), he declared his intention for world upheaval. As the current world leader, why would you want such change? Besides, Hitler was known for breaking his word and changing his mind.

As for teaching you lessons about the US, I made a mistake. Apparantly you're willing to entertain such negative thoughts about the US but not apply the same standards to your own country.
 
If you are going to use "rhetorical flourish" as you call it, it is to the benefit of all concerned that you do not use it's invalid product as the incoherent proof upon which further arguments are based. It nullifies all further argument elucidated from that point. Your first attempt at clarifying your (ahem) flourish, was that by joint venture you meant circumstantial alliance, you now shift your clarification from this ill-conceived proof to nothing more than an elaborate "I was joking".
Perhaps if you were consistent your position might seem more solid.

It was painfully obvious from the offset that ridding the world of the pervasive influence of the Nazis would require the sacrifice of The Empire, this why the foreign policy of earlier years was shamefully based around political appeasement. There was, therefore, a direct conflict between the moralist standpoint and the appeasers: the very point you have tried to disregard throughout. The only point I care for in this discussion.
This shows that appeasement was a realistic alternative to conflict from Britain's standpoint, and therefore a conscious decision was indeed made to act as befits any country with moral values.
Why you find this decision to be the creation of my "fantasies," I do not know.

p.s. I entertain those thoughts not from nationalistic pride (alone ;) ), since I love America, and the person I like most in the world is American.

p.p.s. I do in fact hold a productive attitude towards arguments, I find them to be both intellectually stimulating and a mental exercise that the human race would not have gotten very far without. However this is a HL2 forum. This argument has gone quite far enough. I am perfectly willing to agree to disagree.

Your willing student.
 
I love everybody, but then again, I'm Canadian...
 
Originally posted by Paradox
Ah blatant ignorance and racism, what fun.
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i didn't know the french were their own race...

as for the ignorance, he just follows what our great american media tells him.

besides its not like your country is some industrial dynamo either lol...

some guy on drugs
 
see its ok if everyone makes fun of the USA ...but its racism when you make fun of the french......
 
Ohh Ohh! French bashing! My turn! France is gay! WOOT!

Anyways, I have never heard of VU games before Halflife2 and It beats me why Valve would even pick them to begin with. I mean comeon they are established in france. First Iraq! Next Chirac!
 
Originally posted by TheOriginalEvil
Ohh Ohh! French bashing! My turn! France is gay! WOOT!

Anyways, I have never heard of VU games before Halflife2 and It beats me why Valve would even pick them to begin with. I mean comeon they are established in france. First Iraq! Next Chirac!
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Who picked who? ;)
 
Wow. You idiots who decided to turn this post into your own little debate medium. Congradulations. While trying so hard to publicly impress all the youngters on this board with your broad knowledge of life, and exsistence, and argumental structure you effortlessly overlooked the fact that you might be making total jack asses out of yourselves. The topic of discussion was Vivendi and their recently announced law suit. You guys think your smart branching off into your own little arguments? Jesus Christ, you wanna prove your knowledge? Get into MIT, Harvard, Yale even. But not a ****ing HL2 message board. I was disgusted to see what you fools turned this post into. Theres an off topic section for a ****ing reason.... Now anyways... back to the Lawsuit.... You know?! Videndi? The guys Publishing HL2? Video Games? Half Life 2? Computers?!?!? ....
 
Your aware that your post is one of the most hypocritical posts I've ever seen?
 
LOL Razorblade, I realised that a while back. Sure we were wasting time arguing about non-HL2 related things. But at least it was calm, measured and didn't involve swearing. Pfft... but who'd want to go to Yale when there's Oxford and Cambridge? :p

And I quite frankly can't be arsed arguing, either. Soo... about this lawsuit?
 
Originally posted by Mjolnir
Even more off topic:Nice avatar mountain man...good old Doctor Who(Tom Baker was my favourite Doctor....)
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Why, thank you! I was wondering how long it would take before somebody recognized it. I'm partial to Peter Davison, myself.
 
Originally posted by razorblade kiss
Then YOU my friend are also a ****ing idiot.
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Hey, just because I used hypocritical when I should have used contradictory doesn’t make me a ****ing idiot.
 
Actually we (Americans) got most of our machine gun tactics from the Canadians, and the Germans.

Just like to throw that out there.
 
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