Processor?

Nah I give in, at the end of it all, I still have to upgrade it and its an absulute nightmare upgrading, mainly because of money. I dont earn that much with my job, and Im 17 so my dad really aint looking to pitch in for me. Really I just want to buy I top end computer, that will allow to play PC Games the way they are meant to be played, and not have me upgrading every month. But I just dont have the money, its takes too much time which I dont have and its too much hassle to build my own computer.

So I give in, Ill buy the best processor I can for my current motherboard, and just settle with what I have which is low graphics and average FPS. I just buy a 360 this christmas so I dont miss out on the new Half-Life games, at least with consoles you know you can buy a game and just get on with it without having these annoying dilemmas on whether it will run or not.

Screw you PC industry!!!!!
 
Shift said:
Nah I give in, at the end of it all, I still have to upgrade it and its an absulute nightmare upgrading, mainly because of money. I dont earn that much with my job, and Im 17 so my dad really aint looking to pitch in for me. Really I just want to buy I top end computer, that will allow to play PC Games the way they are meant to be played, and not have me upgrading every month. But I just dont have the money, its takes too much time which I dont have and its too much hassle to build my own computer.

So I give in, Ill buy the best processor I can for my current motherboard, and just settle with what I have which is low graphics and average FPS. I just buy a 360 this christmas so I dont miss out on the new Half-Life games, at least with consoles you know you can buy a game and just get on with it without having these annoying dilemmas on whether it will run or not.

Screw you PC industry!!!!!
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hey matey look at my PC (in my sig) i aint upgraded for sum time, but when i did i did it a few months at a time, until i couldn't upgrade any further, and now im able to play most games at medium to high settings at great FPS.

So get yerself that Barton 3200+ CPU for your PC, get a decent PSU, eg Tagan 580W or Akasa or Hiper maked one.

Get a GB of RAM and your laughing.

So I give in, Ill buy the best processor I can for my current motherboard, and just settle with what I have which is low graphics and average FPS. I just buy a 360 this christmas so I dont miss out on the new Half-Life games, at least with consoles you know you can buy a game and just get on with it without having these annoying dilemmas on whether it will run or not.

Screw you PC industry!!!!!
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We'll thats the whole idea of having a PC is to know how it runs, and then u better yourself at it. Thats how i learnt anyway, back in 1998 when i got my 1st PC, a packard bell pulsar 20, a wopping 133Mhz lol.

Console are ok, just u cannot upgrade them so ur stuck with the same GFX which sux tbh, but its a easier life for ppl which are in-experienced on the PC area.

Good luck pal
 
Yeah good point, Ive put in a bid now for the barton 3200+, at 2.2Ghz which is what I was looking for in the first place, my current PC will be as good as it gets. I have 1 GB RAM already, and my 6600GT graphics card can handle medium-high on today's games, just at 1.67Ghz, it cant handle the FPS, hopefully 2.2Ghz will allow me to play at decent FPS and hopefully at least medium graphics, until at the latest, the middle of next year.

Your right about the consoles, I do get put off that they cannot be upgraded, so in all honesty I dont know what I will do, as I do actually prefer PCs anyway. So hopefully when my FPS starts to churn again I will actually have the money to buy a new computer, but Ill see what happens.

Thanks for the help anyway guys, much appreciated ;)
 
Get a 360 mate, you will get sooooooo much more for your money.

I had a Barton running much faster than a 3200+ and that was struggling with games over a year ago. It'll be a slide show with current software and set itself on fire with games released over the coming years. It really makes no sense to pump more cash into your current pc imo - either save up untill you can get something considerably better or pick up a console. I'd go for the latter - £300 gets you nothing in the pc world if you're looking for a complete upgrade.

My current gaming pc (soon to be updated) cost a £1000 a year ago - my 360 shits all over it in every way (talking gaming here, obviously)
 
Warbie said:
Get a 360 mate, you will get sooooooo much more for your money.

I had a Barton running much faster than a 3200+ and that was struggling with games over a year ago. It'll be a slide show with current software and set itself on fire with games released over the coming years. It really makes no sense to pump more cash into your current pc imo - either save up untill you can get something considerably better or pick up a console. I'd go for the latter - £300 gets you nothing in the pc world if you're looking for a complete upgrade.

My current gaming pc (soon to be updated) cost a £1000 a year ago - my 360 shits all over it in every way (talking gaming here, obviously)
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If u look at my pc specs, i can play BF2 @ 1280x1024 with medium & high settings & average 44fps, i can play FEAR with high & medium textures, avering 52 fps, HL2 full everything over 72fps.

If u optimize ur windows & get the decent drivers for your card, in my case i got the Nvidia Foreceware 84.21 u can play any game thats out now at a reletivly good frame rate with decent gfx.

Look at this XP otimization guide, it helps u take off extra processes that eat up your memory, hence give you slow system performance.
 
Warbie said:
Get a 360 mate, you will get sooooooo much more for your money.

I had a Barton running much faster than a 3200+ and that was struggling with games over a year ago. It'll be a slide show with current software and set itself on fire with games released over the coming years. It really makes no sense to pump more cash into your current pc imo - either save up untill you can get something considerably better or pick up a console. I'd go for the latter - £300 gets you nothing in the pc world if you're looking for a complete upgrade.

My current gaming pc (soon to be updated) cost a £1000 a year ago - my 360 shits all over it in every way (talking gaming here, obviously)
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So your telling me that the 360 is better than a PC? lol get your flame jacket on pal ur in for a hot one.

BTW what was the specs on the PC u bought a yr ago? And ever thought u got ripped off?
 
It's an A64 (Winchester - oc'ed to 2.6 gig) 2 gig pc3500, x800xtpe. I built it myself (always have) and keep everything well looked after. For the amount of pleasure i've got from it for the money, yes, I do feel ripped off. Power wise the 360 destroys it.

I'm not saying a 360 is 'better' than pcs btw, but when it comes to gaming it does offer far better value for money - especially in this case.
 
Shift said:
Nah I give in, at the end of it all, I still have to upgrade it and its an absulute nightmare upgrading, mainly because of money. I dont earn that much with my job, and Im 17 so my dad really aint looking to pitch in for me. Really I just want to buy I top end computer, that will allow to play PC Games the way they are meant to be played, and not have me upgrading every month. But I just dont have the money, its takes too much time which I dont have and its too much hassle to build my own computer.

So I give in, Ill buy the best processor I can for my current motherboard, and just settle with what I have which is low graphics and average FPS. I just buy a 360 this christmas so I dont miss out on the new Half-Life games, at least with consoles you know you can buy a game and just get on with it without having these annoying dilemmas on whether it will run or not.

Screw you PC industry!!!!!
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Now common boss, don’t give up so easily.

No matter what CPU you buy it will never perform the way it was designed to, if CPU has a crappy MB to back it. Sort of (CPU Vs MB) bottlenecking.
A 300.00-pound PC will not run anything for you (IMHO) without MB and decent chipset NB/SB backing it. A mini ATX MB is definitely No! No!
So please don’t go for a 3GHz CPU on a cardboard, you’re just giving away your money and will only have you posting here; About; Why your brand new PC is just not running games the way it meant to be.
I do have a kid about your age (17) and he freaking got a better setup than mine (DFI LP UT-D, X2 4800+, XFX 7900GTX, 20inch Syncmaster, OCZ Platinum and GameXstream 700W) I taught the little bastard how to set up. But I didn’t help him one bit to buy it, sort of.
What he did; Is to work and hassle on the side, after-school (Without compromising studies) on school-breaks summer-breaks and anytime he finds any little work like cutting grasses, Fueling cars and walking dogs for the neighborhood. Also the kid is better saver than a bank and the freak is got a fault in his room.
Like the old saying goes: Your father doesn’t want to give you a fish but rather teach you how to fish. What your father is trying to teach you is, so you can have your cake and eat it. You must learn to work for your goals. So I agree with your father for not to provide you with ever-ready pitch.
I asked my kid: How much he saved so far? He said “About $1500.00” Then I gave him $500.00. Guess what he said “You don't have to Dad” The kid is now financially independent, I said “But I want to son, I want to give you my darn money so you better say nothing”
Don’t spend that crappy PC or 360 with your money, rather go out there work hard and save, then build your own when you’re ready or learn to build it, I’m sure some of your friends are experts in this.
Believe me you will come up with enough money to buy top of the line setup, and your Dad will be proud; that you have reached you goal on your own and didn’t need him.
Then he will kick you out of the house once he’s sure you can survive on your own.
As I’m now searching a way to kick my kid out, my old lady and me need some room. Hehe.

Good Luck.
 
lol thanks for the advice but I have hardly had any money of my parents since two years ago when I started working in Halfords repairing things to which I still work, earning £200 a month, I only get money of my parents at christmas and on ym birthday really lol. A lot of the money I have earned I have stashed in my bank account for future purposes, I now have around £2,400 quid stashed away (have been saving since last summer). So now Im gonna start saving up and gradually building up a system to be proud of which I hope can be fully completed by next summer for me to take away when I leave home for uni.

I plan to get the a top-notch motherboard and a large external hard drive (possibly a top-notch processor depending on the money I get, if not I shall be getting that with my birthday money in January). Than over the course of the next year I will be getting a new power supply, a top-notch video card, a new sound card, a surround speaker system and a top notch flatscreen monitor. I estimate it to come into the region of around £600-£800, but by just slogging away with my current system and this new 2.2Ghz processor I have now ordered, I should be able to buy the new equipment periodically over a few months.

Suggestions on recommended equipment would be much appreciated?
 
£800 for an all top notch system? Lol I wish that were true..

You'll be close to £1600 for what you're describing.
 
Well I can save around £1,800-£2000 from now up until the start of the summer I think, so yeah, that much shouldn'y be a problem.
 
I'd get a better psu than that. The last thing you want to skimp on when paying that kind of money is a cheap power supply.
 
That PSU is plenty. It keeps my dad's AMD 4000+, 2gb, 2x 7800GT SLI running just fine.
 
Still. I currently have a 480w psu and would get something more beefy for a conroe and ati (more hungry than nvidia) setup - especially if crossfire may come into play somewhere down the line. It's also a crime not to overclock these chips - not something i'd be comfortable doing on a 450w psu.
 
Saketi said:
So your telling me that the 360 is better than a PC? lol get your flame jacket on pal ur in for a hot one.

BTW what was the specs on the PC u bought a yr ago? And ever thought u got ripped off?
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Rofl. What were you thinking of when you bought a PC for a grand?

Serves you right tbh. You don't go buying the best stuff without knowledge that by next year it'll be Mid-End...

£1600 on a pc is too much imo.

Skimp the graphics card and get something like a 7600GT (£120) then when DX10 comes along get one of them.
 
PsychoFreak said:
Rofl. What were you thinking of when you bought a PC for a grand?

Serves you right tbh. You don't go buying the best stuff without knowledge that by next year it'll be Mid-End...

£1600 on a pc is too much imo.

Skimp the graphics card and get something like a 7600GT (£120) then when DX10 comes along get one of them.
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Psycho, after all the time I been agreeing with ya, 2day I'm gonne have to leave you hanging and disagree.
If you do the math, $2000.00 is perfect to go shopping with. If you know what you're buying and need, you can gather a setup which will be perfect, top-range system for the next 2yrs, and still open for upgrade another 1-2yrs thereafter.
But like I said: You have to know about this crap, and also have a sense of where all this hardware crap is headed to, and what you're intend to use your setup for. :P

Good Luck.
 
£1600 = $3050

Which is way too much, but it's what he said he wants to get.
 
Barney Fife said:
Psycho, after all the time I been agreeing with ya, 2day I'm gonne have to leave you hanging and disagree.
If you do the math, $2000.00 is perfect to go shopping with. If you know what you're buying and need, you can gather a setup which will be perfect, top-range system for the next 2yrs, and still open for upgrade another 1-2yrs thereafter.
But like I said: You have to know about this crap, and also have a sense of where all this hardware crap is headed to, and what you're intend to use your setup for. :P

Good Luck.
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Fair enough. I personally wouldn't spend that much :P

And yeah, it'll do good for a couple of years.
 
I could go overhaul, delve right into my uni funds and buy the alienware beast with its own liquid cooling system for £6000 xD

Ok maybe £1600 is over the top, I would say £1000-£1200, really that should get me the equipment for a great PC.
 
Don't buy from Alienware, they rips you off D:
 
I dont know, their PCs look like Gods to me, their specs are through the roof, plus how in the world would I buy an Alienware at thier prices lol

Plus the PC im building, I have decided, will not be playable until, the new DirectX10 video cards are out, so that will be the final thing I buy.
 
Ok after even more discussion, me and my dad have come to a final conclusion. While we were stumbling around the internet looking for components we noticed a site that customises PCs, basically giving you a box with the power supply, motherboard, processor and RAM. So to save the hassle we have brought (it is already brought now Im afraid, no turning back), this computer:

http://www.computerplanet.co.uk/systems/intel_base_units/item_30431_conf.html

I researched all of the components myself, the motherboard is very decent and as well as supporting two hard drive slots (nice add on), it also supports AGP as well as one PCI-E slot, which allows me use my 6600GT graphics card up until christmas where I shall upgrade to a much better PCI-E card. The processor is very good, costing around £120, it IS dual core which means the motherboard will support most of the processors in the near future when its time to upgrade again. 2GB of RAM has been put in also. It doesn't support two PCI-E cards but I would rather it support my current 6600GT and one PCI-E card slot, because I dont think I will want to be buying TWO video cards and putting them in my computer even if I had the space, that too me is a waste of money, might as well just buy a very good single PCI-E card.

Over time I will add surround sound, a good flatscreen monitor, a good mouse and later on, and extra hard drive. So tell me what you think, taking into account that I cannot reverse it, it is brought, and I am happy with it.

Peace
 
The PCIe slot is 1x :| I wouldn't buy a graphics card if you're gonna put it in there.

Also, I hope you chose for the 3.4ghz P4. The 2.6ghz version isn't too much better than you currently have.
 
Yeah I got the 3.4Ghz one, and yeah its only one PCI-E slot, but there will always be single PCI-E cards that will run the best games with no problems whats so ever, plus even if I had two PCI-E slots, I still wouldn't put TWO video cards in it, waste of money in my opinion. Anyway I shall recieve it in the post early next week, just in time for Company of Heroes this Sunday xD
 
He means that the PCI-E slot runs at x1 instead of the full x16.

Your screwed upgrade wise D:
 
It's not that it's only one PCIe slot, the problem is that it's a PCIe x1 slot. It has WAY less bandwith. It can only transfer 264Mbps, while AGP x8 has a bandwith of 2Gbps (8 times more) while PCIe x16 has 4Gbps. I don't know what bandwith modern cards use, but no card is gonna be faster than the 6600gt in AGP.


But you can't even try it, because a PCIe x16 card won't fit into a PCIe x8 or lower slot.

More info - http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/display/PCIe_graphics.mspx
 
Ill get by, my 6600GT should still last quite a long time before I need to upgrade, plus they will still make AGP cards, just you wont see as many on the shelves as the PCI-E cards, but I still have the PCI-E slot, even though its x1, so I manage somehow.
 
Yes, and quite frankly, its good enough for me. Plus I cannot be bothered looking around other models either, its one of the most boring and tedious jobs to do and quite frankly Im glad I have ordered the computer. There is nothing wrong with it, its perfectly capable of supporting the equipment needed to run games a good rate with decent graphics. End of.
 
You could probably spend less on your current rig and end up with something better. It desn't really sound like an upgrade, more a sidegrade that you can't upgrade later.
 
Exactly.

Your not going to get good framerates in a years time I would say and by then, AGP cards will be pretty much dead.
 
Well you will be happy to know that my dad recalled the order behind my back, apparantly he wants to check the specs with the computer shop that built this current computer. Thats actually since I can then see if what I am getting is worth the money.
 
I don't see why you just don't buy everything seperately.

You'll get better stuff for your money...

Seriously though, it may be boring but it all makes sense in the end :P
 
Well then get saving, and buy yourself a beast of a pc in a years time
 
Well that would be a good thing to do, but my current computer is stuck at 1.67 Ghz processing speed, which means all PC games that come out from now on will run like a piece of crap, which means I need to upgrade now. I can afford top quality stuff as long as I buy it seperately.

Plus i am buying everything seperately, Im gonna buy all the different components, well the most important components when I visit this shop and either have the shop assemble it or Ill build it myself. Only problem I have is if Im going to get a good motherboard, it wont support AGP, which means I will have to spend more money on a new video card :/
 
Then save a little longer - you'll be glad you did in the end.
 
The Asrock 775DUAL-VSTA supports AGP and PCIe. It also supports DDR400 and DDR2 if you can use your old ram (there's no performance gain with DDR2). It has a socket 775 socket, meaning it can eat Pentium D (not recommended) and Core 2 Duo (very highly recommended). Get that motherboard with a Core 2 Duo E6300, use your old ram and graphics card, buy a nice case with a good PSU and you're set.

Should be about £230 max. You will have a very decent pc with the ability to upgrade the videocard with a nice PCIe one.


Btw, it was the first thing I recommended... http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2053227#post2053227
 
^ That sounds like a good plan - especially when it comes to upgrading later on.
 
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