Prove me wrong

[baxter]

2+2=5

True

prove it :E

 

[Raziaar]

I say: Anything a person believes in becomes real, anything a person don't believe does not exist.

prove me wrong

You are absolutely wrong.

What some person might believe may be real in his imigination, but to everyone else it might not be real and not exist.

As per the other side, even if someone chooses not to believe and therefore to them it does not exist, for everybody else it might be very obvious that it indeed does exist.

So for the individual, something may or may not exist and be true, but in reality, it could be the exact opposite.

 

[baxter]

So for the individual, something may or may not exist and be true, but in reality, it could be the exact opposite

what..?

 

[nick_t]

I say: Anything a person believes in becomes real, anything a person don't believe does not exist.

We perceive reality through our sense. So, for something to be real you have to make your senses experience it. But believing something exists (when your senses indicate otherwise) is purely a fabrication of the imagination and, unless you're some cyborg sent from the future, you can't make your senses feel what your mind imagines. You can incline your senses to believe it, but they will never be totally in conjunction with your mind. For instance, when people hear a faint unclear voice, their mind tends to translate the vague voice into something they expect or want to hear. Another example is people claiming to have received signs from sacred religious figures, such as seeing the face of the Virgin Mary on a peice of breakfast toast (or Homer seeing "the leader's" face on beans). However, one cannot actually make another person say something they did not by imagining it or see a religious figure because they just want to. Change in the world around us can only be recognized by our senses and your mind can never entirely trick your sense into believing something you want has occured, when it hasn't.

 

[Raziaar]

what..?

It means that while someone might see and think and believe something to exist... or not to, it might be true to that delusional individual, but for everybody else it simply is the opposite.

 

[Danimal]

EDIT: Raziaar beat me.

 

[baxter]

It means that while someone might see and think and believe something to exist... or not to, it might be true to that delusional individual, but for everybody else it simply is the opposite.

I see and sorry if I came across as being dismissive. I agree hold heartily that because an individual has total conviction of his/her beliefs it does not make it true.
The gulf between imagination and reality is massive.

By the way in 1984 the "hero” was tortured to the point of actually believing that 2+2 = 5.
This is imagination
Reality is 2+2=4.