Public Smoking Ban in the Uk

[kirovman]

That's so hardcore/awesome it's almost implausible!

 

[Danimal]

I am a non-smoker and think the partial ban is enough.

 

[Beerdude26]

Get rid of national health care system, people shouldn't be taxed for others' sicknesses

lolololololololol

I'd love to see your plan of charities work.

Come on. Pick a country and tell them to use your system.

I wonder how many would die because of the lack of money.

1,000?

10,000?

100,000?

 

[Jandor]

I am a smoker and think it was fine how it was.

 

[Sprite]

I am thankfully a non-smoker and think there should be a full ban. The government are encouraging (and not enforcing) people to stop smoking with their passive smoking advertising, and as there seems to be nothing changing, a ban to protect non-smokers is definately necessary.

 

[Beerdude26]

I am thankfully a non-smoker and think there should be a full ban. The government are encouraging (and not enforcing) people to stop smoking with their passive smoking advertising, and as there seems to be nothing changing, a ban to protect non-smokers is definately necessary.

A full ban? Yeah, it might be good, but it might result in smoker discrimination over time. Here in Belgium we've already had a few incidents with smokers being paid less because they worked less (Although they aren't allowed to smoke during work anymore, so there isn't any reason to do this anymore)

 

[*~Alex~*]

I vote a full ban, and yes i am a non smoker. I think if people want to smoke then fine, damage your health, die younger etc bt dont let it affect everyone else around you plus it sets a bad example n the smell really is digusting ... i think the worst is when uve been clubbing or in a bar or pub you get home, the smell is just so strong...it's vile.

 

[Nat Turner]

lolololololololol

I'd love to see your plan of charities work.

Come on. Pick a country and tell them to use your system.

I wonder how many would die because of the lack of money.

1,000?

10,000?

100,000?

It's not right to steal money from people, even to save lives. Especially if there's nothing they can do to stop it.

 

[kirovman]

That's bascially what taxes are though. Unfortunately there's only two things guarenteed in life. Death, and taxes.

 

[Nat Turner]

That's bascially what taxes are though. Unfortunately there's only two things guarenteed in life. Death, and taxes.

This is true. But I don't agree with almost all taxes. When it comes down to it, taxes are the result of those in power bossing you around. Might is right is their system.

 

[Link]

So by your logic, if you get in a car and get hurt in an accident, your stealing from my taxes? Hey, come to that, why should my taxs pay for students education?

 

[Nat Turner]

So by your logic, if you get in a car and get hurt in an accident, your stealing from my taxes?

I don't understand how your money comes into this. Please explain further.

Hey, come to that, why should my taxs pay for students education?

They shouldn't be forced, but it's a good cause (one of the best IMO) to put your money in.

 

[dream431ca]

Hey, come to that, why should my taxs pay for students education?

You do realise how a country works I hope.

 

[Link]

What, is education important you think?

For gods sake, I used the most rediculous example I could think of; combined with the fact that I was arguing that taxes are important, you would have thought it was obvious I was being sarcastic to make a point.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but:

No taxes for things like education and healthcare means that absolutely everything, good or bad, is your fault and your responsibility. However that's always going to be grossly unfair unless you completely restructure society so that nobody keeps what their ancestors give to them, and everyone starts off equal (perhaps somewhat like an MMO). And that would be pretty hard to organise.

What about people who contract diseases through no fault of their own? What about genetic disorders? What about blindness, paralysis, other disabilities. I know someone whose body is slowly freezing from the legs upwards and by now she's going to be completely paralysed from the waist down. What would you suggest to her - pay for treatment yourself? Unfortunately she happened to be born in a poor nieghborhood, to poor parents. None of this is her fault.

I can see where you're coming from but in the end I think it boils down to this: are we as a species/society going to look out solely for ourselves? Not only is that actually against our nature, but it's crazy in my opinion. I think we should look at it as a moral issue. Are you prepared to pay money for the goodwill of others? Even though I don't yet pay taxes, I think I would be. I certainly hope I would be. Are we as a society prepared to look after one another? I think we need to be.

 

[Nat Turner]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but:

No taxes for things like education and healthcare means that absolutely everything, good or bad, is your fault and your responsibility. However that's always going to be grossly unfair unless you completely restructure society so that nobody keeps what their ancestors give to them, and everyone starts off equal (perhaps somewhat like an MMO). And that would be pretty hard to organise.

What about people who contract diseases through no fault of their own? What about genetic disorders? What about blindness, paralysis, other disabilities. I know someone whose body is slowly freezing from the legs upwards and by now she's going to be completely paralysed from the waist down. What would you suggest to her - pay for treatment yourself? Unfortunately she happened to be born in a poor nieghborhood, to poor parents. None of this is her fault.

I can see where you're coming from but in the end I think it boils down to this: are we as a species/society going to look out solely for ourselves? Not only is that actually against our nature, but it's crazy in my opinion. I think we should look at it as a moral issue. Are you prepared to pay money for the goodwill of others? Even though I don't yet pay taxes, I think I would be. I certainly hope I would be. Are we as a society prepared to look after one another? I think we need to be.

No, I don't think we should fend for ourselves. That is inhumane and just plain bad. But all payments towards these causes should be optional. Otherwise you're stealing money from people for things that they don't necessarily want to support.

 

[Raziaar]

A public smoking ban is great. If you wanna kill yourselves, do it in the privacy of your own home. I don't wanna breathe your second hand smoke.

 

[Nat Turner]

A public smoking ban is great. If you wanna kill yourselves, do it in the privacy of your own home. I don't wanna breathe your second hand smoke.

That's a good point. I think it should be based on the proximity to other people, and whether they provide consent for smoking near them or not.

 

[venturon]

No, I don't think we should fend for ourselves. That is inhumane and just plain bad. But all payments towards these causes should be optional.

They are optional. You can, at any point, choose not to pay your taxes. Just be ready to deal with the consequences.

 

[kirovman]

I'm sure if you didn't pay your taxes, you wouldn't be welcome in society.

 

[Gunner]

I personally hate smoking, if people want to smoke that's fine but they shouldn't recieve any medical help for the problems caused by their choice.
They should smoke where people welcome them to smoke, if anyone smokes near me i use the classic "do you wanna put that out before i put you out" line.
Shouldn't stop people doing something as long as its not affecting others.
Smoke only in smoke friendly places or away from other people.

You're an idiot, and you logic is as always flawed. Try that line with me and I'll kick your teeth in and put my cig out in your eyes. Yeah it's easy to talk shit on the internet, when will you learn?

Also, I find it quite hilarious that the british are so concerned about their health, when they drink like animals.

 

[15357]

You're an idiot, and you logic is as always flawed. Try that line with me and I'll kick your teeth in and put my cig out in your eyes. Yeah it's easy to talk shit on the internet, when will you learn?

Also, I find it quite hilarious that the british are so concerned about their health, when they drink like animals.

Ok, so you want medical care for the problems that you caused yourself?
Thats flawed. Why not not smoke?


I still say that smoking should be illegal and be enforced with military police with SMGs.

 

[Gunner]

Ok, so you want medical care for the problems that you caused yourself?
Thats flawed. Why not not smoke?

Are you stupid?

What about people with high cholesterol, obese people? hey ****'em right?

I still say that smoking should be illegal and be enforced with military police with SMGs.

Grow up.

 

[Kangy]

Grow up.

Says the person who said they enjoyed the thought of killing others with their cancer sticks, and grouped the entire British populace into one group? Nice going.

 

[Cormeh]

Don't pay your taxes? Hah. Taxes come straight off a wage. There's nothing you can do about it. I can just imagine phoning the inland revenue:

"Hi, I don't want £x coming off of my pay each month".

 

[15357]

Are you stupid?

What about people with high cholesterol, obese people? hey ****'em right?



Grow up.

Well, we will have to see if they are naturally obese or not. But smokers are the cancer of society (as well as drug users)

And Grow Up? Wow.

Anyway, why not? We should kill the people that kill people.

 

[Gunner]

Says the person who said they enjoyed the thought of killing others with their cancer sticks, and grouped the entire British populace into one group? Nice going.

Yes, I also eat babies. Oh and british people do have a drinking problem, there's no denying it.

Well, we will have to see if they are naturally obese or not. But smokers are the cancer of society (as well as drug users)

And Grow Up? Wow.

Anyway, why not? We should kill the people that kill people.

Right, kill people that kill people... and that's why democracy rocks, because people like you never get elected for any position. Smokers are the cancer of society? lawl. I can think of a thousand other things that are more detrimental to society than smoking, but I guess you live in a perfect world where your only worries are evil godless communist smokers and their cancer spreading plagued ridden breath.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I don't. :<

 

[15357]

I don't. :<

PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS

Is it the drugs then?

 

[Cormeh]

Anyway, why not? We should kill the people that kill people.

I'm unsure whether to take that with a pinch of salt or not, but that's ridiculous.
Keep in mind that many people are truly addicted to nicotine. It's a hard thing to give up.

Oh and british people do have a drinking problem, there's no denying it.

Oh, aye. Every single person in Britain has a serious issue with their drink demons. Don't be stupid.

 

[15357]

Yes, I also eat babies. Oh and british people do have a drinking problem, there's no denying it.



Right, kill people that kill people... and that's why democracy rocks, because people like you never get elected for any position. Smokers are the cancer of society? lawl.

Perhaps you could explain to me why you think that is funny? Perhaps its because you are one too and is leaching from society?



btw, I wasn't that serious about the kill people that kill people thing. I mean, we need harsher punishment for social order and stuff but not that harsh.

 

[Gunner]

Oh, aye. Every single person in Britain has a serious issue with their drink demons. Don't be stupid.

Cormeh, reading comprehension ftw.

 

[Cormeh]

Cormeh, reading comprehension ftw.

Yay!

Aw wait a minute...

 

[Gunner]

Now I'm all riled up. I think I'm gonna go smoke a pack or two to relax and maybe lick the ashtray afterwards. Later!

 

[15357]

Now I'm all riled up. I think I'm gonna go smoke a pack or two to relax and maybe lick the ashtray afterwards. Later!

Bye!





get cancer plzthxby j/k

 

[jondy]

I don't agree with almost all taxes. When it comes down to it, taxes are the result of those in power bossing you around. Might is right is their system.

Don't be ridiculous mate, those in power bossing you around? Know anyone poor? If those in power hadn't 'bossed you around' they wouldn't have had an education, healthcare, insurance, the list goes on, I feel dumb having to explain, but there we are. Might is right? Look at the disproportionate balance of wealth in America and you'll see how ironic that statement really is

I'm hoping you're young enough to have your mind changed, because an adult thinking like this worries the **** outof me.

 

[Jandor]

I once read somewhere (I will try and find the Source) that the British Government profits off of the average smoker (who smokes there entire life) as the tax from pack's of cigs more than pays for any health care they require, and most of them are dead before or only shortly into retirement.

The long term effects of second hand smoke are not conclusive as far as I know, and most Pubs I go to have no smoking at the bar so the Bar staff don't have to breath in the smoke.

:smoking:

 

[Nat Turner]

Don't be ridiculous mate, those in power bossing you around? Know anyone poor? If those in power hadn't 'bossed you around' they wouldn't have had an education, healthcare, insurance, the list goes on, I feel dumb having to explain, but there we are. Might is right? Look at the disproportionate balance of wealth in America and you'll see how ironic that statement really is

I'm hoping you're young enough to have your mind changed, because an adult thinking like this worries the **** outof me.

It worries me that you wholeheartedly agree with and embrace legislated stealing, i.e. taxes, for a "moral" cause. I just think it should be optional whether or not people wish to help the poor or society with their money. People shouldn't be forced to care.

edit:

If people should be allowed to own property, then they should be able to (and have the right to) retain said property. And yes, money = property.

 

[Nat Turner]

The long term effects of second hand smoke are not conclusive as far as I know, and most Pubs I go to have no smoking at the bar so the Bar staff don't have to breath in the smoke.

:smoking:

The effects are actually quite bad, IIRC.