Quitting (drugs)

[highlander]

i don't understand why you'd do drugs in the first place.


drugs are bad mmkay.

 

[unozero]

oh Munro where art thou.

 

[15357]

I think you having no access to contraband is just because of your social circle (the people you choose to associate with and keep around you) rather than any serious lack of availability. I've spoken to a lot of South Korean gamers on the net who were blazed from weed or spun out with speed when playing. If you were to expand your social circle they would probably 'make themselves available to you.'

Also, as far as the health thing- it's not that addicts or even occassional users of drugs (which includes alcohol and nicotine BTW) aren't aware of adverse health affects, it's that they're just disregarded. These facts are bombarded to people through the media daily. It's not like they say "Gasp, I didn't know that."

That said, people also disregard them because overexaggerations are made. Chronic hallucinations is an example of one. Side effects like damaged kidneys are not exagerrations- they're real problems. If anti drug use PSA's wanted to have any effect they'd stick solely to the truth. I think the USA's anti meth ads are the best because they just show tweakers in true form and its intended to shock you. While the anti marijuana ads are idiotic and sometimes seem like the people that made them were high on acid or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWsqBIN6VD0

Yeah, I've heard that a few rich kids get drugs - likely because they've been out of country and have been exposed to the drug culture of the west. But its nowhere as rampant as in the United States, as our lack of drug PSAs would indicate. Yes, some people would be able to get drugs over here, no doubt. But not even on the internet I've seen someone say things about how great cannabis is, and et cetera. This could be because there is no real anonymity on the Korean internet, but still.

About once a year or two, I read in the newspapers about a drug arrest and how 20-somethings were arrested for smuggling in PCP from Japan or Cannabis from the US, or how some guy on PCP killed a bunch of people with a knife.

Tbh, I think its important to get to kids early on. Scar them for life so that they don't even think about doing drugs. Ok, those might be exaggerations we're feeding those young kids, those might even be downright lies. But if you've been truly scarred and traumatized from an early age, it'd be exceedingly hard to overcome that to try out some drugs. And despite how you guys romanticize drug use, I'm pretty sure that the risk - both legal and health - is not worth their cost.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

No like I said the problem is you find out they're false and then any anti drug PSA has no relevance to you. A lot of people (not smart) think ALL anti drug PSAs are lies because they have been fed OBVIOUS lies before.

Just stick to the truth because the truth is whats effective in the first place. No reason to embelish when all you gotta do is show people some tweaker sucking a guys dick for money.

 

[15357]

Just stick to the truth because the truth is whats effective in the first place. No reason to embelish when all you gotta do is show people some tweaker sucking a guys dick for money.

lololol Ok, that makes sense.

 

[Raziaar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1g3ENYxg9k

 

[Warbie]

Should I just completely quit or slowly get off it? What should I do to keep my mind off it..? I've never had to quit doing something before but this is just ****ed.

I don't profess to know exactly what you're experiencing but have been in a similar situation and can empathise. I started at 13 and was pretty messed up by my mid 20s. Amphetamines and acid were my weapons of choice, weed a given constant. After being kicked out of two universities and my parents house, and drifting from crap job to crap job, I quit everything at 26 - absolutley everything, even cigarettes and caffeine. Not saying you should do the same, but it worked for me. Either way, if the life you want to lead is suffering you should do something, and there is comfort to be taken in knowing you're doing the right thing. You'll probably find everything has a sharper, harder edge, and you're not quite living to the same rhythm as the rest of the world (the cliches are nearly all true), but things even out and get easier over time. You might find that being sober is trippier than being high, which is really weird - I still get this every now and then, even after 6 years - but that passes. But anyways, blah blah blah. You almost certainly know what to do - all those things parents and teachers mention that seem stupid when you're a kid. Be healthy, hang out with good people, work towards something meaningful and long term, read books, take up a hobby, play Mario Galaxy 2 Have some faith in yourself and you'll be fine.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I suspect that you have an advantage as a gamer. In my experience, videogames, with their potent cocktail of sensation and feedback, are pretty good for absorbing you and therefore taking the edge of any disassociative state. They seem like they'd be very good to distract you if you're getting cravings.

 

[Shift]

Why would anyone want to do drugs or smoke? All it does is **** your body/senses/mind up. You shouldn't have been so stupid in first place, maybe this will be a defining reminder to you in the future whenever you feel the need to **** your body up some more.

 

[Warbie]

Why would anyone want to do drugs or smoke? All it does is **** your body/senses/mind up. You shouldn't have been so stupid in first place, maybe this will be a defining reminder to you in the future whenever you feel the need to **** your body up some more.

Pick your poison. Most people drink or smoke weed. Many dabble in things more exotic. Most are fine. Sometimes for whatever reason things go wrong. My mates wife recently left him and he's currently drinking himself to sleep each night. We can all see a potential problem ahead, including him I suspect, but he can't see past the immediate problem. Doesn't make him stupid.

 

[Some_God]

You have to be a genius to try the hardcore stuff. Really.

 

[Naph]

Pick your poison. Most people drink or smoke weed. Many dabble in things more exotic. Most are fine. Sometimes for whatever reason things go wrong. My mates wife recently left him and he's currently drinking himself to sleep each night. We can all see a potential problem ahead, including him I suspect, but he can't see past the immediate problem. Doesn't make him stupid.

Problems that force you to inebriate yourself in attempt of escape is different from taking the substances just for kicks. But still, the end doesn't justify the mean.

 

[Shift]

Having to take substances just to escape is just pointless too, what is that going to achieve? The problem is still there, you just have to face it full on and break your way through it, running away or masking it just makes things worse.

 

[Naph]

Having to take substances just to escape is just pointless too, what is that going to achieve? The problem is still there, you just have to face it full on and break your way through it, running away or masking it just makes things worse.

Escaping isn't as bad and it doesn't classify as a stupid idea in Warbie's friends case. Having something that emotionally cripples you is an excuse to escape, sometimes there isn't anything else. But to have to keep taking the same thing over and over to escape reality is stupid. My opinion on drugs is that you need a relatively good excuse to take it; a broken limb, a shattered heart is fine, but "to have an emotional high" or "a spot of fun" isn't a good reason.

 

[PvtRyan]

I don't know the short form for micrograms lol I just put mg because I didn't feel like typing out micrograms every time.

µg

That will have to do as my contribution to this thread. Good luck with the drugs, druggie.

 

[Mogi67]

Escaping isn't as bad and it doesn't classify as a stupid idea in Warbie's friends case. Having something that emotionally cripples you is an excuse to escape, sometimes there isn't anything else. But to have to keep taking the same thing over and over to escape reality is stupid. My opinion on drugs is that you need a relatively good excuse to take it; a broken limb, a shattered heart is fine, but "to have an emotional high" or "a spot of fun" isn't a good reason.

There are more reasons than that to do certain drugs: to experience the world from a different perspective or for meditation and contemplation. There are drugs with nearly no harmful effects, like LSD, psilocybin (shrooms), and marijuana. With hallucinogens you're not escaping the world in any sense, when you're tripping you experience the world as it truly is. Many people have had life changing experiences on LSD which has caused them to improve themselves. I had a really introspective experience last year on acid and I feel as though I'm a better person for it. As for drugs like meth, coke, or opiates, I would never do them as the risks are too high and the repercussions too severe. Cannabis and the natural hallucinogens are fairly innocuous and can be used to improve one's life. In the 60's experiments were done in which chronic alcoholics were given a dose of LSD, of which 65% of the cases was successful in curing alcoholism. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-10/uoa-ltf100606.php

Most people's arguments against drugs like LSD and Psilocybin or Mescaline are derived from what they learned in school, which is "drugs are bad". Obviously education regarding drugs is dictated by the state, whose drug policy is puritanical and not even rational in many cases. Do some research and think for yourself. There's nothing wrong with LSD or mushrooms or cannabis.

 

[Shift]

I'd like to stay in control of my senses thank you very much.

 

[Stigmata]

You're not as in control of your senses as your senses lead you to believe. The ego is a powerful thing.

 

[Warbie]

There's nothing wrong with LSD or mushrooms or cannabis.

Perhaps in moderation, but that's a given. I know a fair few people who have done alot of acid and they are off and away and are not coming back!

I still see wobbling walls and floors on occasion and haven't touched anything hallucinogenic in years.

 

[Shift]

You're not as in control of your senses as your senses lead you to believe. The ego is a powerful thing.

Well I'd be more in control of them in comparison to being wired on LSD or shrooms.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Maybe if you were more in control of your senses you wouldn't be posting inane shit in a thread that doesn't exist to be your soapbox for drug abstinence.

 

[Shift]

Well all I'm saying is that drugs are a waste of time, and generally bad for you. If that's insane then god help you.

 

[Ennui]

I will respond in length later and drop some knowledge on you, but for now - STOP DOING MDMA EVERYDAY. You are doing immense and quite likely irreversible damage to your brain's self-regulating serotonin system. MDMA is quite safe for a psychologically stable individual to use sparingly, but using it regularly is very bad, especially every day (or even every week). You will feel like shit after stopping - this is because your brain is completely depleted of serotonin. It is very important you do stop or you may have depression issues for the rest of your life as a result.

The MDMA is more important to stop using than ketamine, but by no means increase your daily K dosage to compensate.

Stop tripping so much too, there's a reason people like to refer to those who have been "fried by acid" - heavy use will make you go a bit wonky in the head. If you are having symptoms of HPPD (e.g. hallucinations and other visual distortions while not tripping) you really owe it to yourself to stop before it gets worse. HPPD will clear up after a while for most people as long as you don't continue using psychedelics.

Basically, stop. It's most important that you stop using MDMA, but quite frankly you need to get off the K and psychs too. I have to run so I'll explain later (or perhaps you should just PM me since this is really more of a PM sort of discussion) but you are being wildly irresponsible with your drug use and you owe it to yourself to stop being so goddamn stupid about it before you wreck your brain completely. Use in moderation can arguably be a positive thing, and not particularly unhealthy, but your use is about as far from moderation as you can get.

It will not be easy, but you have to teach yourself that being sober is good - it's not boring, it's not lame, it's not dull, it's just how life is. Being ****ed up all the time never, ever, ever ends up being a good thing. You are lucky though to not have any physical addictions, rather purely psychological ones, but don't think that will make it any less difficult to change your habits.

 

[Stigmata]

Well all I'm saying is that drugs are a waste of time, and generally bad for you. If that's insane then god help you.

www.erowid.org
www.thegooddrugsguide.com

You shouldn't generalise drugs. But it's up to you to inform yourself.

[edit] Actually, the "good" drugs guide claims that there's no legitimate medical use for LSD. So... it's probably best to defer to Erowid.org in all cases.

 

[Vegeta897]

being sober is good - it's not boring, it's not lame, it's not dull, it's just how life is.

Vegeta likes this.

 

[Raziaar]

There's nothing wrong with LSD or mushrooms or cannabis.

Doesn't LSD eventually start to destroy serotonin receptors from repeated massive releases?

 

[Dalamari]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1g3ENYxg9k

This, pretty much.

Or this:

Quit being a pussy and make a decision.

 

[PvtRyan]

YOU RACK DISCIPRINE!

 

[Qonfused]

Doesn't LSD eventually start to destroy serotonin receptors from repeated massive releases?

What you're describing is serotonin syndrome which LSD can cause, but rarely by itself.

 

[Raziaar]

What you're describing is serotonin syndrome which LSD can cause, but rarely by itself.

Oh no wait, I was thinking of Ecstasy.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Oh no wait, I was thinking of Ecstasy.

This is an example of that type of fearmongering the "DARE" police community and the anti drug lobby have created. Ecstasy alone isn't going to induce serotonin syndrome. If that did happen from an 'average' single dosage it'd be a VERY rare event.

People are afraid they'll die of one hit, they find out its not true, then end up going overboard with use.

 

[MorganFreeman911]

And THEN they die!

 

[Raziaar]

This is an example of that type of fearmongering the "DARE" police community and the anti drug lobby have created. Ecstasy alone isn't going to induce serotonin syndrome. If that did happen from an 'average' single dosage it'd be a VERY rare event.

People are afraid they'll die of one hit, they find out its not true, then end up going overboard with use.

Fear mongering? What the **** are you talking about?

Talking about a potential effect of Ecstasy is fear mongering? Quit with the over reactionary responses.


I'm actually not even talking about serotonin syndrome at all. I'm talking about the reduction of natural serotonin release due to the effects of repeatedly having the serotonin rapidly released, caused by the drug. There's a term for it, but I can't remember. And it's not serotonin syndrome... which I wasn't talking about.

What I'm talking about is not life threatening, it's just damaging to the serotonin transporters.



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