Quitting (drugs)

[Dog--]

So for the last 4 or 5 months I've been spending alot of money on drugs.. I was supposed to move out and have $1500 for a new place. I have to live at home for another few months to save because I spent all of it on drugs and I have been sitting here all day thinking about it and it's ****ed, and I'm ****ed. I mean $1500? That's a ton of money and I have nothing to show for it other then a ****ed up body and mind... Has anyone ever been through something like this? Any tips? Should I just completely quit or slowly get off it? What should I do to keep my mind off it..? I've never had to quit doing something before but this is just ****ed.

 

[MJ12]

I predict this thread will be a shitstorm.

 

[Dog--]

Hopefully a shitstorm of advice

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Your body and mind cant be that ****ed up from only $1500 of drugs. I've spent a LOT more than that over time on drugs. It's not something to be proud of but if it makes you feel any better there are a LOT of people that spend a LOT more than 1500 in a year on dope.

Not to get too personal but what are you on? Meth/Ice, Crack/Coke, Opiates/Heron/Pills, or weed? Or others? It does depend what type of drugs for what advice I can give you. If you're on opiates don't stop right away at all, trust me. You'll need to ween down off of them.

Listen bud, you'll be fine, you're in one of those 'fiend depressive cycles' and it passes. I've seen a lot of baseheads go through that who I started down the path out of my own greed for money. You want to talk about feeling guilty there's a shitload right there.

 

[Dog--]

I don't want to make it sound like I'm some jittering crackhead, not coke or crack or meth or anything that bad.. I do alot of MDMA.. For the last month or so I've done it almost every day and as a result I lost alot of weight because it takes my appetite right away, even days after. And I do alot of Ketamine too.. I'm high on it right now actually... I do acid and mushrooms alot too and those have ****ed my vision up, and I'm sure my thought process too.. I always see little warps sometimes and I ALWAYS see shit in my peripherals.. I only tried acid for the first time not too long ago but I buy every bit I can find. I dunno i just feel different people have noticed too people say I'm stupider then I used to be because I speak differently and say weird things sometimes.. I used to be the 'smart' kid in my group now I'm not at all..

I just think it's ****ed how I can't go through a day sober anymore and $1500 is still alot of money, and it wasn't in a year it was like 4-5 months

 

[MJ12]

I am not going to vouch for whatever you do, it's your business, but it's just like spending money on anything, video games, fast food, movies, etc; if you don't manage your money when you need it, you can expect to be ****ed.

I dunno if you're like, "addicted" to anything, but it's your own fault if you cannot moderate your entertainment spending. When you NEED to save up money for something, you always view it as a mandatory bill. For example, every paycheck you get you should take a percentage of your earnings and pretend that it is a bill towards whatever it may be (in your case moving out)

 

[Ravioli]

The level of "****ed up" really depends on what kind of drug. I hope you only did stuff like weed etc.

edit:

Well, damn.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I don't want to make it sound like I'm some jittering crackhead, not coke or crack or meth or anything that bad.. I do alot of MDMA.. For the last month or so I've done it almost every day and as a result I lost alot of weight because it takes my appetite right away, even days after. And I do alot of Ketamine too.. I'm high on it right now actually... I do acid and mushrooms alot too and those have ****ed my vision up, and I'm sure my thought process too.. I always see little warps sometimes and I ALWAYS see shit in my peripherals.. I only tried acid for the first time not too long ago but I buy every bit I can find.

I just think it's ****ed how I can't go through a day sober anymore and $1500 is still alot of money, and it wasn't in a year it was like 4-5 months

You doing MDMA you may as well have been smoking meth. Im not trying to sound like an asshole. I've done a lot of drugs and I know what I'm talking about effect wise. You always see shit because you never let your system completely clear.

You're going to have to stop your current substances cold turkey. You're not on opiates so any withdrawals are going to be psychological. Don't get me wrong it's still going to suck ass, but you'd be far worse off on opiates (Heron, oxycodone, morphine, etc)

You can help yourself by transitioning to something cheaper. Start smoking bud to replace the empty feeling you'll have after stopping. People here will talk shit on what I'm saying as advice, but it'll help out a lot trust me. You need something to fill that empty spot. People will say do sports, do this, do that, but its VERY hard to do those things just up and out of the blue. Changing your substance of choice is something you really CAN do with EASE and fast (the next time youd pick up your sack)

Take it from me. One day I smoked a quarter ounce of ice to myself, and I would use every day. You'll get over it and look back and be glad you did. Stop obsessing over 'what you did.' and just focus to your goals for the future.

The more you think "**** im so stupid look what I wasted" etc the more likely a relapse actually is. Sounds counterintuitive to block out regret but it WILL help.

I feel with this problem my advice can help you out more than a lot of the other BS you'll get on here, so listen to me.

 

[Dog--]

You doing MDMA you may as well have been smoking meth. Im not trying to sound like an asshole. I've done a lot of drugs and I know what I'm talking about effect wise. You always see shit because you never let your system completely clear.

You're going to have to stop your current substances cold turkey. You're not on opiates so any withdrawals are going to be psychological. Don't get me wrong it's still going to suck ass, but you'd be far worse off on opiates (Heron, oxycodone, morphine, etc)

You can help yourself by transitioning to something cheaper. Start smoking bud to replace the empty feeling you'll have after stopping. People here will talk shit on what I'm saying as advice, but it'll help out a lot trust me. You need something to fill that empty spot. People will say do sports, do this, do that, but its VERY hard to do those things just up and out of the blue. Changing your substance of choice is something you really CAN do with EASE and fast (the next time youd pick up your sack)

Take it from me. One day I smoked a quarter ounce of ice to myself, and I would use every day. You'll get over it and look back and be glad you did. Stop obsessing over 'what you did.' and just focus to your goals for the future.

The more you think "**** im so stupid look what I wasted" etc the more likely a relapse actually is. Sounds counterintuitive to block out regret but it WILL help.

I feel with this problem my advice can help you out more than a lot of the other BS you'll get on here, so listen to me.

I cant smoke weed I hate being high on it soooo much. I hate smoking anything really. I don't think there is anything else I could switch to tbh.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

When you stop cold turkey, you'll start to fiend for the meth type high (from the MDMA)

When thats getting REALLY bad, smoke a bit of weed. Even if you ****ing hate it, you'll notice that your fiending for the MDMA has subsided somewhat. Just give it a shot.

Do not replace with drinking instead. Just as bad for your body as the others you were doing, particularly in excess.


The main point is you have to replace that empty feeling. People, like I said, will tell you sports, hobbies, or other things. The quickest and easiest is another substance. Its important that you kick the MDMA. That's hell on your body in pill form. Worse than the shrooms and anything else by far.

 

[Dog--]

The Ketamine I think I can handle quitting, the MDMA will be hard.. What do you think is worse K or MDMA? Would I be able to like replace MDMA with K and then just quit the K?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The Ketamine I think I can handle quitting, the MDMA will be hard.. What do you think is worse K or MDMA? Would I be able to like replace MDMA with K and then just quit the K?

If you can do so without increasing your dosage of special k then yes. But note I'm not super familiar with special k's body effects. Its important you kick the MDMA, especially if its daily.

 

[Dog--]

MDMA is really THAT bad?

 

[Escaep]

MDMA is really THAT bad?

ALL DRUGS R BAD

 

[YROC]

lol, drugs. Why you're on anything but weed is beyond me.

Spoiler

Get high erryday.

 

[kineaesth]

I'm not sure what Rakurai is saying about MDMA, unless he is implying that because MDMA is difficult to get what you're actually taking is probably mephedrone or something.


Anyway, stop buying drugs. Don't replace anything with anything - you've realised that the amount of substance you're taking is way too much, now do something about it.

Oh and so if you're having serious issues with MDMA, try to get your hands on some 5-htp. Take 3 caps every night before you go to bed, you'll sleep better and it'll help sort out the damage you've done to your brain's seratonin levels.

 

[YROC]

Pretty much, yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNbExvU42q4

 

[Dog--]

lol, drugs. Why you're on anything but weed is beyond me.
*PIC*

You really don't want to have this picture war with me - you WILL lose trust me! Plus weed is stupid and it's a shitty high.



@Kinetic - I really appreciate your advice and that your trying to help me, but it sounds like Rak has gone through this before.. I might just stop altogether but he makes a good case.. I don't think I need those ills though maybe it just needs to get out of my system naturally?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

You really don't want to have this picture war with me - you WILL lose trust me! Plus weed is stupid and it's a shitty high.



@Kinetic - I really appreciate your advice and that your trying to help me, but it sounds like Rak has gone through this before.. I might just stop altogether but he makes a good case..

Remember always too, stopping altogether is always a better choice, but its very prone to failure.

For me, personally, changing it up and weening down was the best way. Everyone is different and everyones body responds differently so be aware of yours.

 

[YROC]

It's nice to just relax and roll a doob. All that other shit just sounds bleh.

I used to do a lot of downers when I was in school, but that stopped as soon as I got out. Just a fad type thing, I guess? I don't know.

 

[kineaesth]

5-htp is entirely legal - it's sold in health-care shops as a sleeping aid. It has the side effect of helping your brain replenish its seratonin levels, levels which are basically ****ed up by all drugs, and even more so if you're using daily.

I feel like it's necessary to append this post with some broad disclaimers -

Daily use of any drug is bad. What you're getting in to in terms of drugs is stuff that works by totally flooding your brain with seratonin, and so the high is never gonna be as good the next time you take it, because your levels are so depleted. What you feel now is almost certainly an effect of this - a complete lack of healthy brain chemistry.
Also, get off the ketamine, that shit's a horse tranquiliser.

Basically, you have to learn to respect the chemicals that you're taking. Do some research, find out how they work, and then use them accordingly. Drugs aren't for every day; while many will argue against them altogether, I believe that responsible, informed use ("safe and sane", to borrow from the BDSM world) is perfectly reasonable. Respect them, respect your own body.

 

[AKIRA]

Sorry but am I the only one who's amazed that this kid is doing ACID?

I heard that really really messes you up - like insane high's that last for hours. I also heard that it stays in your system for x amount of years (or forever? forgot which one) and that at any moment you can start tripping out on it.

No real advice, and I know you can't judge a book by its cover but I've seen your pics and from the way you post and stuff I would've never expected you to do any type of drug other than weed - especially some hardcore stuff you've been doing.

Good luck.

 

[15357]

Man, its kinda surprising how easily you guys can get your hands on drugs. I've never taken any illegal drugs in my life, and wouldn't know where to get them. I doubt I've met anyone who knew where.

Anyway, I think Rakurai's advice is actually solid advice, he makes convincing points and seems to have had the same experience as you. The only thing I don't get is the whole replacing part.

Also, almost all drugs have very ill effects on your body, if your taking it chronically. For one, it'll **** your kidneys up real good. (Which also goes for non-illegal pharmaceuticals, btw) Heck, actually, I'd recommend going to the doctor and have some blood tests to see how your Creatine and BUN stats are. Also, hallucinogens tend to have very horrible and rare side effects such as chronic hallucinations.

 

[YROC]

Buying drugs in america is in the same difficulty bracket as going to your local retail store and picking up a video game.

 

[kineaesth]

Sorry but am I the only one who's amazed that this kid is doing ACID?

I heard that really really messes you up - like insane high's that last for hours. I also heard that it stays in your system for x amount of years (or forever? forgot which one) and that at any moment you can start tripping out on it.

Onset of 1-2 hours, plateau of 6-8-? hours. All the rest of that shit, about it crystallising in your spinal cord etc. etc. etc. is utterly bullshit.

Of all the stuff he's doing, acid is probably the safest (as long as he's not doing it more than, say, once a month)

 

[Sulkdodds]

Agree with KA and Rakurai here (even though they disagree?) - you want to get off that shit fast. When you're more financially secure you'll be able to afford, in all senses of the word, to use on a rarer and more responsible basis, but right now it's negatively affecting your life. Take whatever measures necessary to wean or bludgeon yourself off daily use, whether 'necessity' means cold turkey or a gradual step-down. I've never experienced anything like your heavy usage, though, so I can't be much help, but I imagine you'll be fine. The impression I get is that people bounce back from much worse.

Acid isn't too bad, even though when you take it for the first time you may end up worrying that the high will never end.

 

[Dog--]

Sorry but am I the only one who's amazed that this kid is doing ACID?

I heard that really really messes you up - like insane high's that last for hours. I also heard that it stays in your system for x amount of years (or forever? forgot which one) and that at any moment you can start tripping out on it.

No real advice, and I know you can't judge a book by its cover but I've seen your pics and from the way you post and stuff I would've never expected you to do any type of drug other than weed - especially some hardcore stuff you've been doing.

Good luck.

I just want to comment on this post by saying acid is nowhere near as bad as ANYONE says. It will literally take you around 100,000 micrograms of LSD to kill you - that's a stupid amount of hits, each hit usually has about 100mg of LSD on it.. Meaning you have to take around 1000 hits of acid for it to get even close to lethal... No one would be stupid enough to take over ten hits, maybe 15 (even 15 is for hardcore acid users... Common trips are like 1-3 hits.. I was up to like 4-5) The only bad part about it is if your mentality can't handle it you can go crazy from it. It's a great time, I've never had a bad trip but if you do it alot it can have some slight effects on you such as my peripheral problem, but I hear that goes away with time. I hate when people say acid is sooo horrible, it's probably my favorite drug, and despite the mentality surrounding it, it's sort of safe if your mind is strong. I would place is as safer then mushrooms even.

EDIT: Thanks KA. Also I did it atleast three times a week...

 

[Vegeta897]

100,000 micrograms of LSD to kill you - that's a stupid amount of hits, each hit usually has about 100mg of LSD on it

100,000 micrograms = 100 milligrams

Oh sheesh, did you think mg meant micrograms? Your mind really is going.

Get off the drugs bro!

 

[kineaesth]

It seems like you know what you need to do, and want advice on specifics like how and when. You've usefully outlined what your excessive consumption of drugs has done, and while some people would be okay with that, you seem like you're not. So go ahead and do what you know you should be doing, and don't change your mind the next time you're coming up on some MDMA and you feel great. You might be down from the drugs, but you can still be rational. Make it happen, you'll thank yourself.

 

[Dog--]

100,000 micrograms = 100 milligrams

Oh sheesh, did you think mg meant micrograms? Your mind really is going.

Get off the drugs bro!

I don't know the short form for micrograms lol I just put mg because I didn't feel like typing out micrograms every time.

 

[Warped]

I smoked my fair share of dope, but quitting other harder drugs was a breeze because I stopped myself before I got addicted. I usually tried something twice and if I didn't want it by the 3rd time I knew I should kick it. I was mainly a Mary J kinda guy but only after 3 years of use I quit one day. I tried many times but so many parties and the night life was too irresistible. everyone at work knew i was a pot head too but from going from like 15k in the bank to just 4k in 3 years was rough.

Trust me man, its a lot easier to slow down than it is to quit, but if you think you can do it, go for it. what the worst that will happen?? you'll just go through withdrawal must faster. Also I'm 26 and still trying to move out of here, but one small loan left (less than 3k....down from a total of 12k of loans and debt) ain't bad.

edit, and after getting arrested when drunk in public wasn't enough....the massive fines I had to pay afterwords were enough to kick my crazy lifestyle.

 

[VirusType2]

Best way to quit is to stop hanging out with people that do drugs, and make it inconvenient to access your money in the late hours of the night. In a bank, for example. If you keep aside money 'just in case' you really 'need' some drugs, then you've lost. The point is to make it so you can't make that choice. If you don't have the money, you can't buy it. You'll tweak for an hour or so and then get over it. In the morning, you've survived already 12+ hours without them. If you can do this for a couple of days, you'll be doing great.

Secure some things to get your mind off it. Things that you don't normally do while doing drugs. Maybe a video game or some movies. Because if you habitually use drugs after a certain event (like smokers commonly smoke after a meal) then you'll want to avoid doing whatever it is if possible. If it's eating, well there's nothing you can do. Perhaps don't eat a big meal, which seems to trigger it more than a small meal. This is just an example of an addiction becoming part of a routine.

 

[xombine]

Rolling every day? Holy shit dude idk how you can pull that one off, I went on a bender eating almost a gram in 2 days and I thought my brain was going to collapse in on itself after that....

As for the usage of drugs, regardless of how harmless some are compared to others (i.e. weed to molly) there's a time and place for everything. Once the abuse sets in is when it starts to get out of control. Stay away from the pills, dope, coke etc. and you can manage it. You're having trouble quitting non-addictive substances so all you have to do is get over the mental dependence on them, which is far easier said than done but is a lot easier than trying to come off smack that will make you hurt to the bone when you need a fix.

Be careful with the ket as well as that is the only known psychedelic proven to be addictive. And acid safer than shrooms? Not sure I'm down with that one, acid spaces you out waaaay more than shrooms do, as long as you're not eating 5 gram doses every time...

 

[JUL3]

Here's my advice: Don't do drugs, they are bad.

Hope this helps.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Man, its kinda surprising how easily you guys can get your hands on drugs. I've never taken any illegal drugs in my life, and wouldn't know where to get them. I doubt I've met anyone who knew where.

Anyway, I think Rakurai's advice is actually solid advice, he makes convincing points and seems to have had the same experience as you. The only thing I don't get is the whole replacing part.

Also, almost all drugs have very ill effects on your body, if your taking it chronically. For one, it'll **** your kidneys up real good. (Which also goes for non-illegal pharmaceuticals, btw) Heck, actually, I'd recommend going to the doctor and have some blood tests to see how your Creatine and BUN stats are. Also, hallucinogens tend to have very horrible and rare side effects such as chronic hallucinations.

I think you having no access to contraband is just because of your social circle (the people you choose to associate with and keep around you) rather than any serious lack of availability. I've spoken to a lot of South Korean gamers on the net who were blazed from weed or spun out with speed when playing. If you were to expand your social circle they would probably 'make themselves available to you.'

Also, as far as the health thing- it's not that addicts or even occassional users of drugs (which includes alcohol and nicotine BTW) aren't aware of adverse health affects, it's that they're just disregarded. These facts are bombarded to people through the media daily. It's not like they say "Gasp, I didn't know that."

That said, people also disregard them because overexaggerations are made. Chronic hallucinations is an example of one. Side effects like damaged kidneys are not exagerrations- they're real problems. If anti drug use PSA's wanted to have any effect they'd stick solely to the truth. I think the USA's anti meth ads are the best because they just show tweakers in true form and its intended to shock you. While the anti marijuana ads are idiotic and sometimes seem like the people that made them were high on acid or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWsqBIN6VD0

 

[StarBob]

I don't wanna read all of this. I saw what you were on and most of it was stupid stuff to be on (especially ketamine). Just smoke weed it's cheap and lasts forever. Plus you can do it with friends and you get to eat things that are instantly more delicious. That's all I have to say.

 

[unozero]

Drugs are bad.

 

[Top Secret]

Why the **** would anyone do anything other than marijuana, salvia, or LSD?

Especially LSD.

 

[Dog--]

Why the **** would anyone do anything other than marijuana, salvia, or LSD?

Especially LSD.

Have you ever done MDMA?

It's pretty fantastic.. When you cut it with acid that is just amazing you have no idea...

 

[Stigmata]

MDMA is pretty fantastic as long as you use it sparingly. I've done it three (?) times, with months between, and I felt great every time. As long as you're with people you don't hate, it helps produce some good times. Dog, you're going to want to look into substances that boost serotonin production (don't quote me on that neurotransmitter though), because doing so much E makes your brain chemistry acclimatise pretty heavily. And using weed as a stopgap is probably a good idea. As much as it sucks to be spending even more money on drugs, it's much better for your health than relapsing. It also may promote neurogenesis.

And, for the record, I feel that LSD is a tool, not a party drug.