Reincarnation

[SpotEnemyBoats]

"if you're bad you burn in hell"

Depends, the good forgiving lord forgives. Well, if your Stalin or Hitler you will not be forgiven. There is also purgatory?

 

[Geogaddi]

Depends, the good forgiving lord forgives. Well, if your Stalin or Hitler you will not be forgiven. There is also purgatory?

Why not? Is it not the basis of Christianity that anyone can forgiven?



Also, CrazyHarij, I'm watching that lecture now, he is one smart man.

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

I remember a while back Hillary forgave her husband Bill Clinton after the affair w/ Monika Lewinsky.

 

[CptStern]

yes i'm aware of god's little waiting room ..bet it's full of out of date fishing magazines

so what merits life in hell? do homosexuals go straight to hell because a) they're unrepentive (why should they feel guilty if it was god who made them that way?) and b) cuz they live in sin their entire lives

so ok maybe it's not a mortal sin but murder is ..so a teenage mother who aborts her child because of whaever reason is murdering her child in the eyes of the lord ...instant condemnation to H-E-Double-hockey-sticks

Yup. Not all lesbians are hawt, sadly

-Angry Lawyer

you mean pron has been lying to me all these years? :O

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

so ok maybe it's not a mortal sin but murder is ..so a teenage mother who aborts her child because of whaever reason is murdering her child in the eyes of the lord ...instant condemnation to H-E-Double-hockey-sticks

Simple answer to that, do no have sex when your a teenager(abstinence), do not do abortion(why would ppl do it anyways its stupid).

 

[Angry Lawyer]

you mean pron has been lying to me all these years? :O

It came as a shock to me, too.

* Angry Lawyer puts on two types of cloth, bums a guy, aborts a baby and takes the Lord's name in vain

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Beerdude26]

Simple answer to that, do no have sex when your a teenager(abstinence)

I want to see a life-long study with two groups of teenagers: A group that uses abstinence, and another group that has a free sex life. We monitor their stress/anger/relief/etc. to come to a conclusion.

Also, I travelled through time and took a glance at the last paragraph of the study: At the age of 18, all the teenagers (well, adults) equally had as much sex, no matter from which group they were. (Can you say 10-WEEK ORGY D: )

 

[kirovman]

I want to see a life-long study with two groups of teenagers: A group that uses abstinence, and another group that has a free sex life. We monitor their stress/anger/relief/etc. to come to a conclusion.

Also, I travelled through time and took a glance at the last paragraph of the study: At the age of 18, all the teenagers (well, adults) equally had as much sex, no matter from which group they were. (Can you say 10-WEEK ORGY D: )

OH NOES beerdude, you can't use Scientific studies to judge something, that would be against religions lol.

 

[Beerdude26]

OH NOES beerdude, you can't use Scientific studies to judge something, that would be against religions lol.

You're right. I'm just going to write a book.

 

[bvasgm]

Simple answer to that, do no have sex when your a teenager(abstinence) do not do abortion(why would ppl do it anyways its stupid).

What if a girl is raped and gets pregnant? You can't just say "lol don't have sex", it's not always that simple.

 

[PvtRyan]

you mean pron has been lying to me all these years? :O

No, the girls in porn ar bisexuals. Bisexuals are indeed always hot.

Usually..

 

[Jintor]

How did this get from "Do you believe in reincarnation" to "Girls in porn are bisexuals and hot?"

Should not this be a poll or something?

 

[Fliko]

Energy doesn't disappear.
It always exists.
Connect the dots.

 

[Max35]

Energy doesn't disappear.
It always exists.
Connect the dots.

I believe Einstein himself made that assumption (energy not disappearing), what that really entails I don't know.

 

[PvtRyan]

I believe Einstein himself made that assumption (energy not disappearing), what that really entails I don't know.

It doesn't entail anything really. It's metaphysical, feel-good pseudoscience bullshit.

Energy doesn't disappear no, simple physics, but how on earth has that anything to do with reincarnating? Reminds me of pseudoscientists using the double-slit experiment in quantum physics as an example of how you can do anything as long as you believe in it (watch "What The Bleep Do We Know? Perfect example of feel-good pseudoscience). Energy doesn't disappear, but neither will it exist in the same state forever.

 

[Jintor]

It doesn't entail anything really. It's metaphysical, feel-good pseudoscience bullshit.

That assumption or Reincarnation?

 

[The Monkey]

Nope.

 

[PvtRyan]

That assumption or Reincarnation?

Both. But I meant the notion that because energy doesn't disappear, there must be reincarnation.

 

[Jintor]

So the assumption, basically.

I wonder why I get defensive when you start to insult (well, challenge really) religion? Or rather religious ideas. I guess there's some sort of automatic barrier that says "You can't insult that!" that is built into me, and only a few people can break it. ><

 

[99.vikram]

Energy doesn't disappear.
It always exists.
Connect the dots.

WTF does that mean? That the soul has some energy in it? Funny, if that theory was right then the energy inside a closed box would decrease when a person died. And how is that energy transmitted from body to body? By "soul radiation"?? Connect the dots indeed.

I dont believe in reincarnation as every observation to date suggests that when the nerves no longer convey meaningful info, conciousnous stops. In fact, I dont get why so many fear the idea that we "stop being" upon death. Really, what is so tragic? After death, there is no 'you' to even be in pain or unhappy anymore...

However, I do believe that people who lick the backside of a hyena morph into Leprechauns at the time of death

 

[DeusExMachina]

I'm still on the fence with reincarnation. I feel a strong connection to the early 1900s, as if I was alive during that time, and the Middle Ages. Perhaps I was a gumshoe detective during the 40s and an atheistic, cynical knight in the Middle Ages.

But if not, I can always dream.

 

[Darkwolf]

Simple answer to that, do no have sex when your a teenager(abstinence), do not do abortion(why would ppl do it anyways its stupid).

What do you mean why would you have an abortion? It is a reletively simple concept. If you have an unplanned pregnancy, it's not like you're just going to let it get in the way with your life. Infact, at the stage that you have an abortion an embryo isn't even recognisably human! It's not like it is going to phycologically affect anyone, it's not like the embryo itself can think! Gah.

Energy doesn't disappear.
It always exists.
Connect the dots.

Sure it doesn't. But it can just turn into another form of energy, and if there is nothing to move the energy or use it, then it isn't going anywhere. Although the energy does move, it is slowly released as your body decomposes and is consumed by various things in the ground. Or it is released as light and heat energy if you're burned. It's simple physics. It's not like it is transfered to power some other creature. Your energy is not what makes you who you are anyway. It is the synapsis and connections and chemical concoctions that are in your brain.

Anyways...

 

[Absinthe]

Energy doesn't disappear.
It always exists.
Connect the dots.

You're misrepresenting physics as retarded mysticism.

Your energy is most likely going to be fertilizer for the grass you die on. It's not going to ball up and fly to the nearest childbearing womb.

 

[kirovman]

Depends, the good forgiving lord forgives. Well, if your Stalin or Hitler you will not be forgiven. There is also purgatory?

Stalin was forgiven by god as he was baptised.

 

[JNightshade]

It'd be nice, but I doubt it. Quite frankly, I'm perfectly happy that when I die, I can keep some insects and bacteria well-fed

 

[Jintor]

I say I'm going to pay for what I've done so far. :*(

 

[Que-Ever]

Yes. I'll come back as myself. Faster. Stronger... Better.

 

[dream431ca]

I believe everything came from the same source. So when we die we return to where we came from.

 

[Absinthe]

I believe everything came from the same source. So when we die we return to where we came from.

At the risk of having this question snowball into a heated argument in which I drunkenly (and angrily) reply to you... No offense...

What makes you believe this?

 

[PvtRyan]

Depends, the good forgiving lord forgives. Well, if your Stalin or Hitler you will not be forgiven. There is also purgatory?

Why wouldn't Stalin and Hitler be forgiven?

See, the concepts of good and evil are pretty childish. Take Hitler for example. Was he evil? No. He was a man with very wrong ideas. Ideas fueled by malfunctions in his brain (that God gave him btw), by his own experiences and ancient good old (Catholic) antisemitism. Now, he put those into practice and killed millions through them. So people say Hitler was evil.

But what if Hitler hadn't been a charismatic leader? What if he never got the people of Germany behind him and never put his ideas into practice? WW2 wouldn't have happened and no one would think of Hitler as evil. No more evil than we consider today's neo-nazi's, that are considered "stupid" or "having the wrong ideas". Eventhough he would be the exact same guy, minus charisma, he's no longer seen as evil.

And take Bin Laden. Is he evil? No. He doesn't do what he does because he likes doing it, he does them because he thinks what he does is good.

Good and evil as absolute ideas are silly and childish. So therefor, so is Heaven and Hell. Besides, why would God give me ETERNAL suffering for FINITE sin that I commited? Not to mention, he KNEW that I would commit them, he KNEW it when he created the damn universe, because he is omniscient. And no, with an omniscient God, there is no such thing as free will, you can't do anything out of free will if God already knows you'll do it. Then it's no longer free will.

Besides, what if my evil acts are beyond my own control? What if my personality was shaped in an environment that made me hate Jews, that I was picked on by Jewish kids, that I learned that Jews are bad because they killed Jesus, that I see someone claiming Jews are the cause of all my country's problems and my brain was susceptible to it because I was born paranoid or schizo? Would I be evil if that shaping of myself would result in millions of deaths? Would I deserve ETERNAL suffering for that FINITE sin?

Conclusion:
Good and evil as absolute ideas are stupid.
Ideas of heaven and hell are stupid.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Conclusion:
Good and evil as absolute ideas are stupid.
Ideas of heaven and hell are stupid.

Totally agree with your post. It's all about subjective perspectives.

The idea of heaven and hell, punishment and reward, is completely preposterous in my opinion, considering the way we function as human beings.
Reincarnation or a general type of afterlife, probably nothing like anything we could imagine, is more likely imho. Simply not existing, as i see it, is pretty unlikely, considering the kind of things one can experience (out of body experiences) and the way we look upon ourselves, the kind of ideas we have.

I'm especially talking about connections, energy and things like that.

I personally feel like there's more in communication than just using words, that there's some type of energy being exchanged, and people tapping into different kinds of ideas. For instance, I've always looked at music as a type of energy expression that you can tap into. The question is whether it's a tangible type of energy or merely metaphorical, but I personally feel like it's more than just a mental construct.

Another thing that supports my idea is the crazy amount of coincidences that I, and ppl in general, run into. I mean, thinking about someone, that person calling you later, thinking about a movie and that movie being aired on TV the same night. You read about a band, and suddenly a song by that band turns out in your playlist, even though it's on shuffle and you have a huge amount of songs in the playlist. Things like that.

 

[PvtRyan]

Yeah, but with those coincidences, you only remember the 'hits' and forget the 'misses'. How often have you thought about Bob and he didn't call you? How often did Bob call you, but you weren't thinking about him? How often did it happen you were thinking about Bob but someone else called? How often did you read about a certain artist and didn't hear their song?

If you drive along a dangerous intersection where a lot of accidents happen and each time you drive by you think "I got a bad feeling about this." and 99 times you drive by it and nothing happens and you forget that thought. But that one time, you get hit by a car and you think "SEE! I knew it was gonna happen!"

I can recommend reading 'Why People Believe Weird Things' by Michael Shermer.

 

[Dalamari]

I will be reborn...as this

 

[CrazyHarij]

Yeah I'm aware of that, it really depends on whether you're "shotgunning" these coincidences or not, but the truth is, I think the coincidences are far more common than leaving them to simple chance, and they are usually more unlikely than the time a "miss" occurs.

I'm not saying every single thing I think of becomes true, but things like dreaming about something happening, recieving something as a gift months or even weeks after you're thinking about it or dreaming about it.

One thing that I find quite peculiar is that usually when I think about something, alot of people I run into the same day are suddenly talking about it. And it's not even these typical subjects, it can be something really obscure. Someone just happens to mention it and active discussions about it arise. It happens quite naturally but when I think back, it happens quite often.

One interesting example of wanting something and it appearing "from nowhere" is my two drum machines, both being from the same company, back in the 80's, one being a succession of the other. They're quite rare and usually sold for quite alot.

I had been interested in one of them, but I dreamt of having them both for some reason. Just about one week later after my dream, I casually browse some synth auctions, and one guy who lived in my town happened to have both of these for a really cheap price. It was a perfect situation since I don't have a proper online credit card, and I went and got them.

There's alot of these things that occur all the time, I think it just depends on whether you're willing to spot them or not. I think it's pretty futile passing every single account off as a random coincidence, and I don't buy the idea that you forget about all the misses that supposedly occur. I'm quite objective in my self image and would like to think that I can often remember almost every single course of thought I've had throughout a day.

One thing I've been thinking of in particular is the effect thinking positively or negatively affects everything in your reality, from weather to seemingly random things happening. It can be anyhting from meeting new friends to recieving something.


This could be really cliche, but the way I think always affects my success at online poker. When I feel generally good about myself, I seem to get high cards, aces and kings, all the time, while when I'm down in general, I don't get a single "good hand". It's quite frustrating because bringing yourself up from negative thinking can be quite difficult!

Anyway, enough about my ranting. I have no intention to convince anybody to think like me, it's just fun to put arguments from a side that's not getting much attention.

 

[MTG_Maro]

Nope, never have, never will.

 

[99.vikram]

I think the reward for being good or evil comes within this lifetime. Do something that elps another person, and chances are, he'll remember it.

CrazyHarij, the eerie coincidences you're talking about can be explained without spirituality - when you want something, you tend to look for it. You wanted the drums, so you noticed the guy who was selling both of them. It is rare, i agree, but there was a real chance that it could happen and it did. On the other hand, think of how many things you may have wanted to various degrees, but didn't get. It happens often, but we forget those incidents, remebering only the dreams that did come true against all odds.

 

[dream431ca]

At the risk of having this question snowball into a heated argument in which I drunkenly (and angrily) reply to you... No offense...

What makes you believe this?

I don't know. It's just a theory. I believe life itself comes from the same source. All life is part of the same thing. It's even true in science. If there was a Big Bang, then everything came from that one source, and I mean Everything. So then it's not to hard to say that everything will return from where it came from. You know ashes to ashes, dust to dust?

But look at the larger picture. The sun will eventually destroy the earth, the earth's crust will melt consuming anything and everything. Eventually (theoretically) the whole universe could collapse in on itself causing a big crunch, and potentially causing another big bang. So referring to the theory, Reincarnation is also true, as everything gets made again and the cycle continues. Of course this is just what I think, but it's not hard to see in life.