Remember no russian. (MW2 Spoiler warning)

Fantastic! Cinematic! That's great, it's like watching a movie.
 
Gargantou said:
I don't see how an ordinary human called Vamp being given regenerative abilities through nanomachines is any more fantastical than MGS1 where you had a psychic mantis that was all like "I can read dem minds and that bitch is in love with you fo sho, so I'm gonna make you shoot her, foo'!"
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Because psychics (typically charlatans) exist today and Psycho Mantis wasn't a homoerotic guy who likes taking bullets to the forehead, cutting himself and walks of water. So basically, PM wasn't a BDSM version of Jesus.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Because psychics (typically charlatans) exist today and Psycho Mantis wasn't a homoerotic guy who likes taking bullets to the forehead, cutting himself and walks of water. So basically, PM wasn't a BDSM version of Jesus.
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Feel free to point me in the direction of a person whom has scientifically been proven to be able to control others minds(without hypnosis) as well as levitate and pick up cement busts and throw'em at people.

Please.

Note, I myself do believe that some people might have some form of ESP abilities and so forth, but most of'em are phonies(especially those that have TV-shows etc in the USA like that crazy bitch from that black guys talk show)

And I have yet to see any proof of any person with abilities nearly the same as Psycho Mantis.

So, scientific proof, pl0x!

Oh and FYI; I don't know what Charlatan means :(
 
stemot said:
So you completely disregard the over the top action movie moments I pointed out in CoD4? Whatever. A plot synopsis is not going to show these events.
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You disregarded the majority of everything I said, so don't start.

And I addressed your claim that CoD4 had the same type of over the top action scenes the first time you made it. I said you were wrong, and that it didn't. It, like the WW2 games prior, had occasional very explosive and dramatic set pieces (and yes, unrealistic) - but it never crossed the line into absurdity or complete unbelievability. MW2 rode a snowmobile while shooting an Uzi over that line in the second mission.

Seriously, I'm done. I've said all I have to say. And the synopses I posted (which BTW do go into detail on specific scenes) sum up my point perfectly. If anyone wants to see the drastically different direction MW2 took from previous CoD games (including CoD4), all they need to do is check that out.
 
smwScott said:
You disregarded the majority of everything I said, so don't start.

And I addressed your claim that CoD4 had the same type of over the top action scenes the first time you made it. I said you were wrong, and that it didn't. It, like the WW2 games prior, had occasional very explosive and dramatic set pieces (and yes, unrealistic) - but it never crossed the line into absurdity or complete unbelievability. MW2 rode a snowmobile while shooting an Uzi over that line in the second mission.

Seriously, I'm done. I've said all I have to say. And the synopses I posted (which BTW do go into detail on specific scenes) sum up my point perfectly. If anyone wants to see the drastically different direction MW2 took from previous CoD games (including CoD4), all they need to do is check that out.
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So you wouldn't consider a chopper exploding in the sky and coming down on your partner and just ever so gently resting upon his leg after tearing down a playground absurd? Or the end truck chase? By the way, I thought you were done before :D
 
stemot said:
So you wouldn't consider a chopper exploding in the sky and coming down on your partner and just ever so gently resting upon his leg after tearing down a playground absurd? Or the end truck chase? By the way, I thought you were done before :D
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Certainly less over the top than the respective segments of MW2, especially the end boat chase, where you have a magical Glock that penetrates modern body armour with easy, massive explosions from conveniantly placed red barrels, tons of Shadow Company redshirts, Shephard driving into a Pave Low, which is then conveniently shot down by Price wth small arms fire. Epic fistfight sequence commences, where you win the game by pulling a knife out of your chest and killing the General with it.

Certainly more over the top than the end of CoD4, where you are desperately driving away, chased by Hinds you can't shot down and end up with most of your crew dead.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Certainly less over the top than the respective segments of MW2, especially the end boat chase, where you have a magical Glock that penetrates modern body armour with easy, massive explosions from conveniantly placed red barrels, tons of Shadow Company redshirts, Shephard driving into a Pave Low, which is then conveniently shot down by Price wth small arms fire. Epic fistfight sequence commences, where you win the game by pulling a knife out of your chest and killing the General with it.

Certainly more over the top than the end of CoD4, where you are desperately driving away, chased by Hinds you can't shot down and end up with most of your crew dead.
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That wasn't what I asked though was it. I never denied that the sequel steps up the explosions and action and sheer over the topness, what I said was the start of these seeds were sown in the first Modern Warfare and continued towards the next logical progression for the sequel. Whether these scenes are as over the top doesn't matter, he was saying MW1 was a serious military game with non of the antics of the sequel. This clearly is not the case.
 
stemot said:
That wasn't what I asked though was it. I never denied that the sequel steps up the explosions and action and sheer over the topness, what I said was the start of these seeds were sown in the first Modern Warfare and continued towards the next logical progression for the sequel. Whether these scenes are as over the top doesn't matter, he was saying MW1 was a serious military game with non of the antics of the sequel. This clearly is not the case.
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Fact check.

You say I said "MW1 was a serious military game with non of the antics of the sequel."

I really said "It, like the WW2 games prior, had occasional very explosive and dramatic set pieces (and yes, unrealistic) - but it never crossed the line into absurdity or complete unbelievability. MW2 rode a snowmobile while shooting an Uzi over that line in the second mission."

This is amusing. You know why forums are awesome? For the same reason you always wish you had a tape recorder when you get in an argument and the person tries to backtrack :D .

And yeah ... I said I was done arguing, but **** it. If you keep mis-characterizing me I'll keep rebuffing it.
 
I think for Infinity Ward they probably reached a "What the hell" point and just decided to cross the line into utter unbelievable absurdity. One of those because we can kind of deals.

What's that? Activision offering us another cold gajillion dollars? Bring on the Russian "ultranationalists" and snowmobile drive-by sequences. **** YEAH.

p.s. I bought it full price. Nothing like a nice shot in the mouth from ol B.K. The multiplayer is surprisingly more playable than the first. Don't lynch me.
 
Hooray! We have the PS3 version in the house.

Off the Christmas list you go Modern Warfare 2.
 
smwScott said:
Fact check.

You say I said "MW1 was a serious military game with non of the antics of the sequel."

I really said "It, like the WW2 games prior, had occasional very explosive and dramatic set pieces (and yes, unrealistic) - but it never crossed the line into absurdity or complete unbelievability. MW2 rode a snowmobile while shooting an Uzi over that line in the second mission."

This is amusing. You know why forums are awesome? For the same reason you always wish you had a tape recorder when you get in an argument and the person tries to backtrack :D .

And yeah ... I said I was done arguing, but **** it. If you keep mis-characterizing me I'll keep rebuffing it.
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Fine, if you don't think the whole sniper/helicopter scene from CoD4 was absurd (though in a good way, but I'm not the one saying any of it is bad) then I guess we really are done with this. By the way, I'm not trying to backtrack at all, I always maintain that yes, MW2 is over the top. but it's nothing the original game didn't start off doing first with some of it's scenes. I mean, how can you not even think the helicopter bit with McTavish or the Silo blast door/explosion don't fall into this. You know what, a helicopter being taken down by a sniper shot to the rotor, then hitting a building while exploding, hitting the ground and tearing everything up in it's path while it makes it way towards McTavish who is on the floor only for it to stop as it's rotor gently taps him is absurd. As absurd if not more than firing a gun in a snow mobile chase. There are hollywood moments in both games, this doesn't make either game bad, it just means for some reason you fail to acknowledge the level at which they appear in the original.
So there you go, no mis-characterisations to make you find all this "amusing". :rolleyes: I'm simply saying what I have been saying from the start: Yes there are many over the top moments in MW2, but the original had it's share as well.

EDIT:- What's with the "fact check"? Geez, stop getting so wound up about it. :p
 
stemot said:
Fine, if you don't think the whole sniper/helicopter scene from CoD4 was absurd (though in a good way, but I'm not the one saying any of it is bad) then I guess we really are done with this. By the way, I'm not trying to backtrack at all, I always maintain that yes, MW2 is over the top. but it's nothing the original game didn't start off doing first with some of it's scenes. I mean, how can you not even think the helicopter bit with McTavish or the Silo blast door/explosion don't fall into this. You know what, a helicopter being taken down by a sniper shot to the rotor, then hitting a building while exploding, hitting the ground and tearing everything up in it's path while it makes it way towards McTavish who is on the floor only for it to stop as it's rotor gently taps him is absurd.
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Yet possible. Certainly more possible than accurately firing a magical instakill Glock while riding a snowmobile.

Here's an example of a real-life over the top situation: A man survived his brain being impaled. Despite massive damage to the grey matter, he lived on a normal life.

Or even this: http://www.neatorama.com/2008/10/05/the-man-who-stuck-his-head-inside-a-particle-accelerator/

There are situations in life that are inherently crazy and singular occurences in games are acceptable.

As absurd if not more than firing a gun in a snow mobile chase.
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More absurd, actually. You take out half a dozen snowmobiles with a magical instakill Glock 18 with homing bullets during a high speed chase, which is impossible.

There are hollywood moments in both games, this doesn't make either game bad, it just means for some reason you fail to acknowledge the level at which they appear in the original.
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I think it's you who fails to acknowledge that MW2 has a lot more over-the-top moments than MW1.
 
Is it really worth arguing just how much over-the-top it is compared to the first? It just is, enjoy it or don't.
 
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