Ritalin & A.D.D.

all the little children in schools in the u.s. get drugged up so they can sit and their seat and stay in line and listen to their mommys
 
hero said:
all the little children in schools in the u.s. get drugged up so they can sit and their seat and stay in line and listen to their mommys
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I wouldn't quite call it ALL the children. I'd never take ritalin. Drugging up kids to make them docile is not the answer
 
yah its kinda sad then also their moms take it from them and use it for themselves
 
i actually took some the other day just to see what would happenn and usually when i would like drum my fingers it was like impossible for me to like all i could do was sit there

and when some one waved there hand in my face my eyes started blinking un controllably

its wierd kids should not be drugged up at school
 
hero said:
all the little children in schools in the u.s. get drugged up so they can sit and their seat and stay in line and listen to their mommys
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I just had my two cousins out who both have severe ADD, they're both drugged up on the stuff but hell they never listen to their mommy :dozey:
 
and then some people like buy it off little kids and try to get f*ckd up on it

i would never take that stuff again
 
kids with ADD don't need ritalin, they need something to keep them occupied that's not horribly boring. i've never been diagnosed, but i consider myself to have always had ADD...i've taken quiz things where i match 20+ out of 25 symptoms.

i think i get bored and argumentative and don't listen because i have 2342342987 things going on in my head at once, and if i don't answer the question in my head or figure out a solution to the problem in my head, i go nuts and get kinda anxious.

google is my savior...it lets me answer all my random questions so i can focus on important things.
 
A.D.D. is WAY over-diagnosed... I mean WAAAAAAAAAAAY... oh look, little Jimmy is a little bit hyper today... PUMP HIM FULL OF GODDAM MEDICATION!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Letters said:
A.D.D. is WAY over-diagnosed... I mean WAAAAAAAAAAAY... oh look, little Jimmy is a little bit hyper today... PUMP HIM FULL OF GODDAM MEDICATION!!!!!!!!!!!
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That reminds of a southpark episode.
 
Personally I think straps and locks and cages would work better with most kids than drugs.. you can leave them there over night and be sure they'll be in class by morning ;)

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naa, Maskirovka has the right idea, most of it is caused by being bored, make it more interesting and useful, ie: stop teaching stuff kids will never ever use once they leave school.
 
A person at my school in the year below was very intelligent, but he had ADD. He had a combination of ritalin and special needs help from one of the teachers. It helped him a lot. The drugs kept him calm for long enough so that he could actually be helped by the teacher.

Anyway...Bring back the cane! I've left school so i can say that now :D But i do think that children need to be punished for what they do wrong, and adults should set a better example but thats a different thread all together.

Fenric, i think that children should learn all the stuff they do at school. Perhaps they might not use it as such but it gives you a much broader view of the world and how things work. Its useful to know at least a little of the knowladge behind something because it helps with your understanding.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
A person at my school in the year below was very intelligent, but he had ADD. He had a combination of ritalin and special needs help from one of the teachers. It helped him a lot. The drugs kept him calm for long enough so that he could actually be helped by the teacher.

Anyway...Bring back the cane! I've left school so i can say that now :D But i do think that children need to be punished for what they do wrong, and adults should set a better example but thats a different thread all together.

Fenric, i think that children should learn all the stuff they do at school. Perhaps they might not use it as such but it gives you a much broader view of the world and how things work. Its useful to know at least a little of the knowladge behind something because it helps with your understanding.
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How does learning to jump over boxes or walk on raised planks or climb ropes help in later life unless your going for a career in the army? Since I've left school I don't recall having a job that involves climbing ropes or playing football or doing star jumps :)
 
How many times have you had a heart attack? Are you saying exercise is a bad thing? Because i just dont get that.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
How many times have you had a heart attack? Are you saying exercise is a bad thing? Because i just dont get that.
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There's exercise, and then there's looking a fool doing things you don't need to do. You can exercise without doing most of the things they made you do at school

besides, judging by the regular reports on Britian's fat kids, excercise at school doesn't appear to be helping them much. They should instead cut out fatty foods in the canteen, that would help. Give them better food will go a long way to improving health than half arsed P.E. classes is what I'm saying

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Cross country runs, now THAT was exercise. It had a point to it. You'd always want to beat the faster kids, doing those pushed me each time to do better until eventually I was winning them and beating everyone else. The other P.E. stuff you'd spend most of the time stood in a corner laughing with mates and watching the girls jumping about.. atleast thats what everyone did at my school

Better food

Better education, get better jobs, better pay, go off on proper vacations, climb mountains, go for long walks in the country, travel. All good exercise, not a star jump in sight
 
Yes...Well the idea isnt the problem then, its just the way its brought to into practice.
Anyway, speaking of education, its time for me to go to collage.
 
fizzlephox said:
That reminds of a southpark episode.
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"Sometimes he runs around the house like a little eight-year-old!"

"...I am eight."
 
School is just another fancy term for laundering money.


Grade D food is the best quality we've got. Keep in mind convicts get Grade C. Ironic I learned that at school, anyway.

ADD doesn't accualty exist, its just that the kids they diagnosed with ADD are really stupid and can't control themselves. It really doesn't have anything to do with the attention span. I have seen those "Diagnosed with ADD, but when they get home they (like my buddy)can play CS for hours on end. There isn't really anything wrong with there attention spam its really only that what is being taught doesn't have a point or is "spam" to keep them busy.

When those kids don't do their spam work and get outta line, they make up an excuse and give them drugs so they won't question authority.
:rolleyes: Well it worked............they where just now realizing how rediculous some of the subjects are and with the internet etc. they can see that.
School is needed, but until middle school, its almost a free daycare.

I am not saying that ADD isn't real but they are diagnosing the kids that are really!!! stupid and the kids that don't give a crap and the ones with better things to do all the same stuff.
 
ADD. Their attention wanders unless they are occupied with something that enjoy(God knows why they play CS). It does exist my, most people can at least pretend to listen when they are bored. People with ADD can't. I cant beleive you are saying a lot of kids with ADD are just dumb. People, intelligent people have diagnosed this and sometimes it might be a mistake but ADD doesnt jsut mean you cant do the work, it means you cant keep you attention on it.

Learning things at school they way people want us to is what funnily enough keeps us sane. You may not think that and perhaps you had a bad experience at school, but the idea is sound. If you dont keep the brain active in all its areas, then you start to lose those pathways and if you dont keep it active at all then when you get older you become...shall we say, stupid. Its like physical exercise, if you dont keep doing it then you become very unhealthy and even die before you need to. You become a vegtable if you dont keep your brain active, in younger life it may not seem nessesary but you have to lay the foundations then or else when you get older it will be extremely difficult to keep mentally fit.

To be honest ADD and other such things like Dyslexia are very "civilised" made problems though. What i mean by that is, before you needed to do a written exam and get qualifications for everything, you would just do what you were good at and never have to think about your Dyslexia with regards to maths or whatever. Left brain people have dominated society and now the written word has to be included in a qualification for everything. That leaves right brain people up a certain smelly creak without a paddle. Really intelligent people that may not be good at English or Maths can get slated as being dumb, or Dyslexic when in fact they are just right brain dominant and are fantastic at art or something.
 
coolio2man said:
ADD doesn't accualty exist,

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I am not saying that ADD isn't real
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ok...

even without these statements, you're very uninformed. kids who have ADD are usually MORE intelligent. their higher intelligence causes them to become bored with things quickly...they get the point and they're ready to move on...so they stop paying attention. i've been to counseling about ADD, and i've heard about ADD from multiple doctors and read a lot about it...

my little brother has the same ADD-type problems i have, and he's really smart. stop labeling people who have ADD stupid...it's wrong and you're being ignorant.

the reason people can play CS for hours on end even if they have ADD is because people with ADD require lots of feedback. and what better system to give kids feedback than video games? CS has amazing amounts of feedback in it. kill/death messages, score, people talking on mics and text chat, sounds, fast reaction times...and every time you play each map, it's a little bit different than the time before. CS and other games like it are actually the PERFECT thing to keep people with ADD occupied.

farrowlesparrow said:
Really intelligent people that may not be good at English or Maths can get slated as being dumb, or Dyslexic when in fact they are just right brain dominant and are fantastic at art or something.
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this is very true...only recently have teachers and other important people started to realize that people have multiple intelligences. just because they're not good at the standard things doesn't mean they're worthless to society if they don't become good at them. like you said, many people who aren't good at things with lots of structure are usually "out of the box" thinkers who are very creative (good at art).

everyone has value...and the way everyone's brain works is valid and important to society. the more people like you (coolio2man) keep labeling people with different ways of thinking, the more you continue the idiocy of our current school systems and the way they treat people who have different brains...or "learning disorders" as people like to call them.
 
Its the greak way of thinking. Very rational and analitical. Everything must be placed into a box and sectioned off for study and labeling.
 
heh, I have been diagnosed with ADD. Trust me, it's real. I honestly cannot sit still for more than five minutes if I have to do something which doesn't hold my attention (basically everything). But if I do find something that holds my attention (very few things), well, I can keep at it for hours and hours nonstop. I don't know, maybe that's better classified as a concentration disorder, rather than an attention deficit.
 
Actually thats quite an interesting point you made, concentration disorder. Some people when they are doing something they like will just do its religiously. Im guessing thats almost what you are like with programming or something. To be honest, when im doing soemthing i enjoy then i will really work at it. If its just something pleasurable and doesnt have any purpose (Like for instance, i enjoy doing art but im doing it for a reason, not just for fun...at the moment) then i will make it last for as long as possible. So playing games i will play them as best as i can, but i will also pull as much enjoymeny out as is possible. When i do a drawing or make something, i will enjoy it as much as i can, so long as that doesnt infringe too much on how much time i have to do it.
 
HOLY SHIT!!!

Lots of ppl have ADD.
It doesn't needs any drugs to get well.....
 
Im not sure whether drugs are the best answer, but i know they can help. As i said before...
 
Thye can help, but they usually just **** ppl up....
 
ADD sucks an extreme number of balls. And so does Ritilin.
I had to take ritilin from like 2nd grade to 5th grade (when I stoped taking it on my own free will). I wasn't really the "normal" ADD kid...... I was and still am an EXTREMELY laid back person. The kind of ADD i had was just not being able to do things I didn't want to do. Like, I would seriously be trying. Its just like, the part of your brain that is telling you to do somthing can't get the message to the rest of your brain, and you'r just stuck there. I'd be just sitting there stairing at my math book, I wanted to get my math done, I wanted to do it. But I could't. Sometimes I would get these little OCD things where I would go back over a problem to make sure I got it right.......but I'd do that like 16 times in a row. Then sometimes I would get this weird eye twitch where I would look all around with my eyes like crazy, and I'd be looking at the ceiling or somthing. When I took Ritilin it would help, but I didn't like it. It would sorta just zombify me. I could do my work now, but other than that, I was just not all there.
And I agree with Sprafa and Farrowlesparrow, it can help some people, but not everyone. Once I was off it I didn't do too well in school (that could have been because I was going off Ritilin, or because I was going into Junior High and my perants had just devorced....who knows, I was just generaly pissed off at school) But I got over it. I don't have any of the problems I did then and I'm fine. I still have a low tolerance for classes I dont like, but theres a way to get around that. Just take the classes you want to! Thats why college kicks ass! And I'm gonna be a photographer! WOOOOOOOOOOO
 
I don't think drugs are a good answer for anything. A better way would probably to cut out the busy work ast school which is assigned because the teacher is too lazy to actually teach(I have a few of those), but that is probably less effective than drugs. Nevertheless, I am very much against drugs. It sjust the wrong way to go about things. Everything has to be chemical these days...

Oh, and as for crappy school material which is only feeding ADD, I'd say in an ideal world you'd be taught general stuff a few years, then actually taught in what you wanted to be, or in the general area of what you wanted to be. Course thatd be great for me cause I'd be out of bio and in physics, in higher math, and be taking C++ as my "foreign language"
 
Sprafa said:
Thye can help, but they usually just **** ppl up....
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oh yes...let us know from all of your vast ritalin perscribing experience.
 
Maskirovka said:
oh yes...let us know from all of your vast ritalin perscribing experience.
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Eh.....me ? The zombie? My gf's brother.......ritalin would just literaly make him sleep, all the time.

This one kid I knew, Adam. Ritalin actually made him more hyper. (it affects people differently)

It does screw people up.

[edit] Oh man.....and there was this one kid....man.....he took alot of stuff because I think he was just generaly f^ked up. His name was Matt Dagget. He was SOOOOOO freakn' violent. If you said cheese he would freak out on you. He would sleep in class, and when this one girl told the teacher after he'd just woke up, he yelled (really really loud) " SHUT UP YOU BITCH!" and that was in 5th grade. He'd always try and fight everyone and get his ass beat by my friends. He did that thing where he would just come at you with his arms flailing, he tryed that on my friend Ryan..... Ryan just socked him really hard in the stomach, I think he threw up after that. He eventually got kicked out of our class (and that never usually happend in elementry school) [/edit]
 
Sprafa said:
hmm...no one here has actual ADD.

I found this pretty good

http://www.add.org/articles/organizing/index.html
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did you skip my post? I have been diagnosed with ADD by my doctor (very recently actually). Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. It's real, and it isn't limited to school. It invades every aspect of my life (even programming which is my passion). I cannot sit still unless I can find something which really holds my attention (rare), then it's like the switch is flipped and I am totally devoted to that one thing. Strange I admit, but it's the truth.
 
My friend has ADD, he's a really funny guy though.

He also has some anger problems, I don't think they are related but he can go pretty crazy sometimes.
 
Just cause you have a disorder doesn't mean you are stupid or worthless. I think Einstein had ADD or was it Autism?. Either way just cause you are "diagnosed" with something doesn't mean you are useless. btw, I have ADD and it sucks. Mine is more severe, I have extreme trouble concentrating; school is a bitch. Strangely, my language skills have dropped recently (having trouble responding to what other people say) and have very poor memory recollection. I think very, very few people have ADD, some have severe concentration problems, but it usually tempers itself with age. But I suppose there are varying types of ADD. In general, I don't think medication is the answer, but my 7 year old niece was getting way to much to handle (and getting violent), she had to get on medication. She was failing in school. She is on another type of ADD drug called straterra or something, its supposed to work better. I have also heard a well-structured diet can help improve one's attention span. See, its not hard to tell I have ADD I can't stay on a particular topic for more than 5 seconds!.
 
Well, just about everyone these days has ADD. Isn't that convinent. So, it boils down to, how fast do you get board? How long can you keep your attention on something, that to you is almost or is pretty much useless.
So, people think they have good ideas that can change opinions of those that take the time to listen. This includes math, history,science etc.
So, child A is taught math. He doesn't give a crap but learns it anyway. Child B is taught math. He doesn't give a crap either, and fails.
Well, so many people think that math is so usefull that child B must be force fed the information until he gets it. Well, you cannot make someone learn, you cannot force them no matter how boring you make the situation or unbearible.
This is where Ritalin and other medications come in. They don't have t work as hard to get the child to learn and the child doesnt try as hard yet can pay attention like he was at Disneyland.

This is good, but its silly, why should we be forced to inhale this information if we are not interested in it. Some say its to better them as a person others would argue that your putting the person on the brink of being a zombie to memorize useless anals and facts.

I think experiance is the best teacher. If you know something is good for someone they need to learn why its good for them, otherwise it stays useless.

The best sort of person is one with a lot of personal experiance, not book smarts. They produce better quality work and usually more skillful.
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I just think useing ritalin is like putting a 28.8k modem on a Alienware computer. It has a connection to the internet but its not wanted its just there.

Making a person into a zombie for them to learn is, getting to the brink of mind control. I want you to love soviet russia. How come you don't love soviet russia, here take this then you will see.
 
I'm pretty sure I have attention problems... possibly tied to my Asperger's. I know that I simply can not pay attention to anything boring ("The History of Telegraph Poles"), or anything taught in a slow or boring manner. If something is interesting, though, and/or taught at just the right speed (Matrix maths or programming comes to mind), then, baby, I'm there.
 
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