Ritalin & A.D.D.

[gh0st]

ADD is nothing a firm kick in the ass cant cure.

 

[chu]

*picks his nose*.....what's this now?

 

[qckbeam]

ADD is nothing a firm kick in the ass cant cure.

well, if that's all...
*qckbeam kicks himself in the ass ....
nope, didn't work :/

please, if you don't know what in the hell you're talking about, save us all from your ignorance, and don't post.

 

[The Dark Elf]

gh0st, watch it

 

[gh0st]

forget this part....

 

[gh0st]

please, if you don't know what in the hell you're talking about, save us all from your ignorance, and don't post.

oh dear i missed that part. well actually i do know what im talking about. i have a few friends who were "diagnosed" (usually by a psychiatrist) that they have ADD, or ADHD - and having known them for years, ADD is a fictional disease (at least in their cases) because they are as normal as i am. unfortunatly the problem occurs when people get dependent upon the drug they are prescribed. usually ADD can be attributed to lack of discipline in a household, or just general childhood anxiety.

sorry i dont have your experiance in the matter qckbeam

 

[qckbeam]

well, ok then, apology accepted, thanks Gh0st

 

[gh0st]

yeah no problem.

 

[Bad^Hat]

I'm guessing all you peeps who say drugs don't help anything probably haven't seen any real cases before. I've had depression/anxiety problems for awhile now, I take Aropax daily, it's pretty much just an extremely watered down Prozac, but it really works with no negative side-effects. They aren't addictive in the least, although when I forget to take them I'm prone to minor dizzy-spells, but that's a small price to pay.

I think those who have said something against drugs maybe have a problem with control. Ritalin is maybe a more extreme measure as it 'zombifies' people, but this is not the case for all drugs. What people need to understand is with an illness like this there is no controlling it, sometimes you need a drug to even yourself out or you'll go nuts.

This is turning into a flame so I'll hush You get my point.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

I don't presume drugs are bad in the least but it's more useful to get to the core of the problem and solve it rather than take a pill and avoid it.
I some cases where brain synaps are improperly functioning so its merely correcting it. For those that are fine but take medication seem to want to avoid the problem, like those who get drunk or stoned way to much.

 

[gh0st]

i just think that its more of an upbringing issue, or social issue and that the drugs are treating the symptoms and not the problem. thats not to say i dont think they dont help in the short term. or worse yet, they completely misdiagnose of the problem as something really serious when their children really are just energetic, or enthusiastic, in which case its a sad waste of potential. and yeah my previous post was poorly worded, and i appologize for the 1st.

 

[qckbeam]

i just think that its more of an upbringing issue, or social issue and that the drugs are treating the symptoms and not the problem. thats not to say i dont think they dont help in the short term. or worse yet, they completely misdiagnose of the problem as something really serious when their children really are just energetic, or enthusiastic, in which case its a sad waste of potential. and yeah my previous post was poorly worded, and i appologize for the 1st.

I agree with you that in some cases a lack of discipline (and I mean a real lack of it) may cause children to act unruly with ADD type symptoms. But I, and many other people, have a problem which manifest itself in other ways besides a poor attention span. For instance, I must always keep some part of my body in rapid motion. I always tap my foot rapidly and uncontrollably, or my hand, or something. I mean rapid too, and I do it all the time, and it can get quite annoying, but I can't stop. It's like a subconscious action. I jump from topic to topic to topic in conversation with people, making it quite hard for them to understand what the hell I'm talking about, like my brain moves faster than my mouth (seriously, this may not sound bad, but no one here has ever actually spoken to me...you'd get annoyed pretty quickly) and I can only get out half of a thought before being interrupted by another. Then there is the attention stuff, I can't focus on anything because my mind can't concentrate on it. I jump from one thing, to another, to another, to another....it's incredibly frustrating, to have so much energy but no way to control it. That may sound crazy to someone without ADD, but seriously, I have no control over how my brain functions, I cannot fight it off, and trust me, my parent's are real assholes, so it's not a lack of discipline. It's a problem gh0st, and medication is the answer. It doesn't treat the symptoms, it takes care of the cause.

edit: I know this may sound like a pretty insignificant disorder, but trust me, it's awful to have. Very frustrating.

 

[gh0st]

well i cant very well argue with that. it just seems like ADD and its derivitives are so new-age and full of parents trying to shrug off responsibility to a doctor. but like i said im not particularly knowledgable about it so, yeah.

 

[dfc05]

For instance, I must always keep some part of my body in rapid motion. I always tap my foot rapidly and uncontrollably, or my hand, or something. I mean rapid too, and I do it all the time, and it can get quite annoying, but I can't stop. It's like a subconscious action.

that happens to me too, except maybe not as much. if i'm bored or just sitting in class, sometimes i just obsessively click my pen, or if i'm stressed or really upset or depressed then i start pulling on my jacket. i also end up shaking my leg a lot, but that might be genetic since other people in my family do that too. i don't even notice when i start; probably too tired or stressed out to care anyways.
sometimes i have trouble paying attention to people. even if one of my friends is talking to me, sometimes i just can't listen; i end up thinking about something else and then feel really bad if i missed something. i also kinda zone out sometimes... just stare out into space for a few minutes and don't notice until i "wake up."

[edit] by the way, i don't really know anything about ritalin or ADD. i really doubt i have ADD (probably just have problems focusing or concentrating on stuff if i'm tired or emotionally out of it) and even if i did my parents would never take me to a doctor or admit to it.

 

[Brian Damage]

I agree with you that in some cases a lack of discipline (and I mean a real lack of it) may cause children to act unruly with ADD type symptoms. But I, and many other people, have a problem which manifest itself in other ways besides a poor attention span. For instance, I must always keep some part of my body in rapid motion. I always tap my foot rapidly and uncontrollably, or my hand, or something. I mean rapid too, and I do it all the time, and it can get quite annoying, but I can't stop. It's like a subconscious action. I jump from topic to topic to topic in conversation with people, making it quite hard for them to understand what the hell I'm talking about, like my brain moves faster than my mouth (seriously, this may not sound bad, but no one here has ever actually spoken to me...you'd get annoyed pretty quickly) and I can only get out half of a thought before being interrupted by another. Then there is the attention stuff, I can't focus on anything because my mind can't concentrate on it. I jump from one thing, to another, to another, to another....it's incredibly frustrating, to have so much energy but no way to control it. That may sound crazy to someone without ADD, but seriously, I have no control over how my brain functions, I cannot fight it off, and trust me, my parent's are real assholes, so it's not a lack of discipline. It's a problem gh0st, and medication is the answer. It doesn't treat the symptoms, it takes care of the cause.

edit: I know this may sound like a pretty insignificant disorder, but trust me, it's awful to have. Very frustrating.

I hear you. That's exactly what I'm like. Drives my family nuts when I sit there with my leg jiggling...

 

[Maskirovka]

well i cant very well argue with that. it just seems like ADD and its derivitives are so new-age and full of parents trying to shrug off responsibility to a doctor. but like i said im not particularly knowledgable about it so, yeah.

i agree on the responsibility shrug-off thing...lots of parents just want their kids to be diagnosed so they can say it's not their fault.

but there are many legitimate cases....i just think there need to be better guidelines on how to diagnose, dosages of drugs, etc.

 

[qckbeam]

i agree on the responsibility shrug-off thing...lots of parents just want their kids to be diagnosed so they can say it's not their fault.

I also am in 100% agreement on that point. People like to think that there is some sort of "magic pill" that will cure all problems instantly. So if little Jimmy is diagnosed with ADD he can take some pills and run off to school, and become a little genius, instead of a little hell raising brat. Of course, there is no magic pill, and little Jimmy is a little brat because he doesn't have any respect for adults or authority, or people in general, due to his parents doing a poor job of raising him.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

I agree with you that in some cases a lack of discipline (and I mean a real lack of it) may cause children to act unruly with ADD type symptoms. But I, and many other people, have a problem which manifest itself in other ways besides a poor attention span. For instance, I must always keep some part of my body in rapid motion. I always tap my foot rapidly and uncontrollably, or my hand, or something. I mean rapid too, and I do it all the time, and it can get quite annoying, but I can't stop. It's like a subconscious action. I jump from topic to topic to topic in conversation with people, making it quite hard for them to understand what the hell I'm talking about, like my brain moves faster than my mouth (seriously, this may not sound bad, but no one here has ever actually spoken to me...you'd get annoyed pretty quickly) and I can only get out half of a thought before being interrupted by another. Then there is the attention stuff, I can't focus on anything because my mind can't concentrate on it. I jump from one thing, to another, to another, to another....it's incredibly frustrating, to have so much energy but no way to control it. That may sound crazy to someone without ADD, but seriously, I have no control over how my brain functions, I cannot fight it off, and trust me, my parent's are real assholes, so it's not a lack of discipline. It's a problem gh0st, and medication is the answer. It doesn't treat the symptoms, it takes care of the cause.

edit: I know this may sound like a pretty insignificant disorder, but trust me, it's awful to have. Very frustrating.

Heh, yeah Its like that for me also. I can control it though. It happend one day, I snapped......I told myself I am thinking about to many things at once and rarely have a point.
Somehow I was able to put random thought in the back of my head so they can flow freely without wasting space for certain tasks. I guess I have ADD but its a good thing because we are getting more intelligent and creative. The only way I was able to control those thoughts or put them in the back of my mind was that I am able to completely focus or not at all. Thus, playing on the computer I trained myself to concentrate soley on one thing. Once I got really good at this, while playing Duke 3d specifically. Now that I trained myself to focus without paying attention I can do my work without havingto think about it. Weird eh?

Truth be told I was on ritalin for a while, I becaome a docile zombie. It was not worth it so I fixed it myself. Anyway $0.02