Rosie O'Donnel comment

Heh, look at the Bush Administration, Anne Coulter, and a bunch of other names I can't remember, but Stern will.

'nuff said.
 
Ann Coulter said:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
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Tom Delay said:
Ladies and gentlemen, Christianity offers the only viable, reasonable, definitive answer to the questions of 'Where did I come from?' 'Why am I here?' 'Where am I going?' 'Does life have any meaningful purpose?' Only Christianity offers a way to understand that physical and moral border. Only Christianity offers a comprehensive worldview that covers all areas of life and thought, every aspect of creation. Only Christianity offers a way to live in response to the realities that we find in this world -- only Christianity.
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Gary DeMar said:
The long term goal [is] the execution of abortionists and parents who hire them. If we argue that abortion is murder, then we must call for the death penalty
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Jerry Falwell said:
The decline in American pride, patriotism, and piety can be directly attributed to the extensive reading of so-called 'science fiction' by our young people. This poisonous rot about creatures not of God's making, societies of 'aliens' without a good Christian among them, and raw sex between unhuman beings with three heads and God alone knows what sort of reproductive apparatus keeps our young people from realizing the true will of God
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Dr James Kennedy said:
This is our land. This is our world. This is our heritage, and with God's help, we shall reclaim this nation for Jesus Christ. And no power on earth can stop us.
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Rev Joseph Morecraft said:
Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol.
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Randall Terry said:
I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.
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Randall Terry said:
When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed.
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James Watt said:
My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns.

We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.
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George HW Bush said:
I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
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yup no extremism there
 
Im glad you found these handful of quotes....becuase thats just what they are, quotes. Now lets take a look at the actions of islamists and christians.
 
Exactly.

While radical Islam may cause more immediate destruction, radical Christianity is like a social glacier of hate and prejudice.
 
"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."

These are from the Koran
 
Tyguy said:
"Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam"

I had to get your opinions because this is the dumbest comment I have ever heard.

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2...2b6e00-853f-4994-9f25-b6fd5fb89cae&frame=true
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Do you know anything about Christianity throughout history?

Radical Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam. We just don't have up-front, crazy, tangibly destructive Christians now. But don't fool yourself. There are still many extremists that exist today and their damage is far more subversive.

You pull quotes from the Koran advocating morally abhorrant actions. Want me to pull some out of the Bible?
 
Absinthe said:
Do you know anything about Christianity throughout history?

Radical Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam.
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Whos talking about history, im talking about now......
 
Tyguy said:
Im glad you found these handful of quotes....becuase thats just what they are, quotes. Now lets take a look at the actions of islamists and christians.
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Um...crusades?
KKK?
Iraq War?
Forgotten war? (Afgan)
 
Tyguy said:
Whos talking about history, im talking about now......
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Yes, and I was telling you that Christianity is more than capable of sinking down into the destructive depths of radical Islam. You weren't just talking about these religions in their contemporary settings. If you were, you'd have no reason to be pulling out Koran quotes. You are implicitly making the argument that Islam is inherently a destructive religion. It is, but no more or less than Christianity.

Just because Christians today don't blow up buildings with bombs strapped to their chest doesn't mean they don't do any harm. Stigmata was right in describing it as a glacier of social hate and prejudice. It may not directly kill people, but it sets the groundwork for irrational, anti-intellectual ignorance. That kind of thing is pervasive in many, many things, and is a lot harder to clean up than rubble from a bomb blast.
 
and?


Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them. Matthew 7:12

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21

Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7)


"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces." (2 Kings 2:23-24 )

"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16)




shit stupid ghostzilla ate half my post


Tyguy said:
i dont buy that for a second.
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well whether you believe it happened or not doesnt make it so

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

it happened ..there were multiple witnessess



Tyguy said:
Whos talking about history, im talking about now......
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ok:

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorists_kill_44.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_(U.S._movement)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura
 
Anti-intellectual ignorance is just as threatening as blowing up buildings with bombs strapped to their chest?

just checking.
 
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them. Matthew 7:12
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Wow, I've never heard of the golden rule (do under others as you would have them do unto you) used as an example of Christian hate.
 
Im suprised how many liberal thinking people are on this forum. The point of the matter is, today, right now, islamists are more violent, threatening, and dangerous than christians. Last time I checked Christians were not cutting the heads off of innocent civilians to make a point.
 
Tyguy said:
Anti-intellectual ignorance is just as threatening as blowing up buildings with bombs strapped to their chest?

just checking.
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When you butcher reasonable thinking, bad shit happens. That includes stringing up homosexuals on fences and killing them, going to war and taking lives because God told you to do so, and pushing for educational changes that will make your children and future generations more stupid because of it.
 
Radicalism is never good. Radical Christianity affects society in a negative way, like stopping scientifgi. Radical Islam incites death. They're both just as bad in my opinion.
 
Tyguy said:
Im suprised how many liberal thinking people are on this forum. The point of the matter is, today, right now, islamists are more violent, threatening, and dangerous than christians. Last time I checked Christians were not cutting the heads off of innocent civilians to make a point.
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Then the next plan of action is to attempt (again) to explain how Christianity is AS destructive as Islam, but in a DIFFERENT way. But you didn't seem to catch that subtlety the first time.
 
Tyguy said:
Im suprised how many liberal thinking people are on this forum. The point of the matter is, today, right now, islamists are more violent, threatening, and dangerous than christians. Last time I checked Christians were not cutting the heads off of innocent civilians to make a point.
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Today? Yes, you're very much right. But Christianity has been and still can be just as destructive as Islam. You seem to think otherwise, which is nonsense. But contrary to what you may think, the concept of damage is not restricted to being physical. That's where Christianity came in.

Christians today don't need to cut off any heads. They're sitting at home, watching CNN, going to work, and living comfortable lives. They don't have foreign armies in their land. But even ignoring that, most Christians in the west aren't degenerating into such brutality because of the society they grew up in. That's in spite of their religion.

You seem to want to paint Islam as the root cause of violence in the Middle East and abroad. That's such a typical, narrowminded view of the situation.
 
Tyguy said:
Im suprised how many liberal thinking people are on this forum.
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I'm surprised there's young people who are conservative ..I mean I thought being old fashioned (re: intolerant) died out in western youth culture ..I'm always surprised when a young person says something that I'd expect from my fascist loving grandfather (he wasnt fascist)
 
Absinthe said:
Today? Yes, you're very much right. But Christianity has been and still can be just as destructive as Islam. You seem to think otherwise, which is nonsense. But contrary to what you may think, the concept of damage is not restricted to being physical. That's where Christianity came in.

Christians today don't need to cut off any heads. They're sitting at home, watching CNN, going to work, and living comfortable lives. They don't have foreign armies in their land. But even ignoring that, most Christians in the west aren't degenerating into such brutality because of the society they grew up in. That's in spite of their religion.

You seem to want to paint Islam as the root cause of violence in the Middle East and abroad. That's such a typical, narrowminded view of the situation.
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Again, your talking about the past.
 
Tyguy said:
This isnt a Bush vs Islam thread.
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Who said it was? He's just the perfect example of what I'm talking about. A man with crazy beliefs that sacrifices thousands upon thousands of lives. He's also a man that wants keep prejudice against homosexuals in place, as well as inject pseudoscience nonsense such as Intelligent Design into the education system.

That is because of his beliefs. His Christian beliefs. And that is bad. Children's heads may not be blowing up when they're taught Creationism or how gays don't deserve marriage, but you'd have to be incredibly naive to dismiss the long-standing implications they hold.

Tyguy said:
Again, your talking about the past.
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Only because you somehow found it relevant. I've addressed your issues regarding radical Islam versus Christianity and I hold that both are equally damaging forces, albeit with differing methods today. Thus far, you've not really argued effectively how good ol' Rosie's comment is at all absurd.
 
because people disagree with your POV? ya I can see how that's a valid point :upstare:

if you cant effectively argue your POV there's no use in being here at all ..opinion is completely meaningless without something to back it up
 
didnt realise you liked the politics section, glad to have you onboard .. (getting tired of arguing with myself) :)
 
Absinthe said:
I've addressed your issues regarding radical Islam versus Christianity and I hold that both are equally damaging forces, albeit with differing methods today. Thus far, you've not really argued effectively how good ol' Rosie's comment is at all absurd.
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Your talking about children being uneducated and im talking about news reporters being captured, decapitated, and shown to the world.
 
Tyguy said:
Your talking about children being uneducated and im talking about news reporters being captured, decapitated, and shown to the world.
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While hostage situations lead to a very, very small loss of life, a lack of education leads to the irrationality of massive amounts of people, and irrationality very often leads to widespread destruction.

[edit] Thanks Stern. I try to participate more than I do, but so far I've been far too lazy to do any actual research, I usually just butt in with my liberal commie left-wing opinion and let Mecha unwittingly do my research for me :)
 
hehe actually I mean Stigmata ..but it applies to you too :)

I'm not really scary ..most people see me as the "nice guy" ...online is where I get be who I truely want to be "POLITICAL (jack)ASS" ..but I'll just settle with HL2.net JackAss if it's all the same to you :E


edit: ya mecha is great for that ..so is Apos ..especially when it comes to creationism/evolution/religion bashing

in fact my posts in this thread are just filler till either one of them shows up:)
 
come on stigmata, now your just reaching. What about the political repercussions of these hostage situations?
 
Tyguy said:
Your talking about children being uneducated and im talking about news reporters being captured, decapitated, and shown to the world.
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Children being uneducated (I actually think miseducated is a more proper term) is one of the things I talk about.

Address my arguments in full. Stigmata pretty much already gave my response.
 
CptStern said:
hehe actually I mean Stigmata ..but it applies to you too :)

I'm not really scary ..most people see me as the "nice guy" ...online is where I get be who I truely want to be "POLITICAL (jack)ASS" ..but I'll just settle with HL2.net JackAss if it's all the same to you :E
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haha, no problem. If everyone agrees with one another then wheres the fun?
 
ya that was a dark dark month at the politics forum when half the people who disagree with me were either banned or left ..you missed some good debates/screaming hissy fits since you first joined
 
Tyguy said:
come on stigmata, now your just reaching. What about the political repercussions of these hostage situations?
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If it wouldn't derail the thread, I'd argue that the nature of the majority of the political repercussions against said situations stem from a) conservative Christian views, and b) a lack of education, but instead I'll just say I was only responding to your one example of east-world Islamic destruction with my one example of west-world Christian destruction :)
 
Tell me, Tyguy, have you heard of the Lord's Resistance Army?

There is actually plenty of Christian violence in this world. But it's happening in places the media don't want to or cannot look in - in the third world. There is plenty of killing going on. But nobody is really looking. And this is not to mention the deaths indirectly caused by extremist Christians - the extreme poverty and hunger and destitution resultant from extreme overcrowding and very strict abortion laws in the Philippines (American Christian organisations give large donations and go there telling everyone abortion is wrong, too); the rampant spread of AIDS and other diseases throughout Africa just because the Catholic church doesn't want them using condoms, and will teach nothing but abstinence; the Army of God in America itself. Not to mention the insidious way in which extreme Christians influence the culture of one of the most powerful nations on earth - see el Chi's 'doom' thread. Chick tracts, God Hates Fags, Pat Robertson - the quote says "just as threatening", and make no mistake, extreme Christianity is just as threatening - perhaps because it's paid a lot less attention than its arabic counterpart.

EDIT: Oh, lookie here.

Our God is an awesome God!
 
CptStern said:
if you cant effectively argue your POV there's no use in being here at all ..opinion is completely meaningless without something to back it up
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Well I just did'nt feel the need to explain myself. Short, Sweet & to the point.


Im scared of the politics section..holdme
 
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