Russian School Massacre

[Matt's Alias]

After the recent terrible terrorist incident at the Russian School it make me wish for the good old days of Communist Russia under Stalin's iron fist. Joe would have never let these Chechnyan rebels get away with this. After an incident like this Stalin would have come down like a bat out of hell, there wouldn't be a Chechnya left. Not that I wish for a communist russia to return but i'm afraid the Iron Curtain is becoming a lace curtain and the russians are going to become as socialistic as the French.

 

[Ikerous]

You wish stalin was in control.. ::laughs nervously:: You're, um, jokin right? I would prolly point out that your jokin.. ppl might take you seriously...

 

[blahblahblah]

After the recent terrible terrorist incident at the Russian School it make me wish for the good old days of Communist Russia under Stalin's iron fist. Joe would have never let these Chechnyan rebels get away with this. After an incident like this Stalin would have come down like a bat out of hell, there wouldn't be a Chechnya left. Not that I wish for a communist russia to return but i'm afraid the Iron Curtain is becoming a lace curtain and the russians are going to become as socialistic as the French.

Please learn about history before you post about it. Seriously.

 

[Roland Deschain]

If it was me that arrested any of the guys who held up that school, I would have shot him right on the spot, no questions asked.

In the furtherst reaches of my reason I can see why a terrorist would want to bomb the World Trade Center or the Pentagon, but holding up a school is, well, it's unforgivable. It's children, why would you want to change the world through the blood of chidlren.

 

[hero]

yah i no they are like the devil


and like now people are just going to hate like all arabs

good arabs should like start their own religion which is good and bad should just be liek bad so the good ones will like not be as discriminated

edit: after i read that post that i made i was like im retarded

 

[Matt's Alias]

exactly, if they were going after political figures or military figures thats one thing but little kids on their first day of school is just disgusting

(yes i was joking about the stalin thing)

 

[Matt's Alias]

i think all the good arabs should move to one area so we know where not to bomb

 

[A True Canadian]

Have they even determined what the terrorists' motives are? I read that the terrorists were unwilling to negotiate or even make any demands.

The fools that held the school hostage must have known that they would not have made it out alive. Are they that brainwashed to believe that attacking the innocent will make things better? What causes them to do this? Religion? Their faith? Are they that unfortunate that they must kill to survive?

To borrow from American History X: "Has everything you've done made your life better for you?"
It upsets me to think that these creatures think shooting up some children will make their lives better.

 

[scatr99]

yah i no they are like the devil


and like now people are just going to hate like all arabs

good arabs should like start their own religion which is good and bad should just be liek bad so the good ones will like not be as discriminated

edit: after i read that post that i made i was like im retarded

I seriously can not. stop. laughing

 

[Ch1cKeN]

edit: after i read that post that i made i was like im retarded

Agreed.

The way that russian hostage crisis ended was absouletly terrible. For three days those people suffered the torment of being held hostage inside what is supposed to be a a place of learning and peace. After three days, without food or water some children had to drink their own urine for petes sake! 300+ dead plus i'm pretty sure even more wounded. I do not wish those responsible for the taking and torture of those people death. They deserve worse.

I am usually not upsetted easily but this is just plain SICK. If I seem bitter, bear in mind, my uncle(non relative) lost a kid that day.

I mourn for those lost.

 

[Cybernoid]

After the recent terrible terrorist incident at the Russian School it make me wish for the good old days of Communist Russia under Stalin's iron fist. Joe would have never let these Chechnyan rebels get away with this.

Stalin killed millions of people (mostly for no reason). The school incident is completely meaningless in comparison, if you only take the body count into account.

 

[gh0st]

After three days, without food or water some children had to drink their own urine for petes sake!

where did you read that they drank their own piss? after 3 days no one is that thirsty, trust me.

 

[Cybernoid]

where did you read that they drank their own piss? after 3 days no one is that thirsty, trust me.

Humans cannot survive for more than a few days without water.

 

[gh0st]

Humans cannot survive for more than a few days without water.

i know, where did you read that?

 

[JFry]

I think you have roughly 3 days after the effects of dehydration kick in. Drinking your own urine isn't really gonna help you, it's toxic.

 

[el Chi]

You wish stalin was in control.. ::laughs nervously:: You're, um, jokin right? I would prolly point out that your jokin.. ppl might take you seriously...

Oh he's just trying to bait you - it's clearly someone out for a fight.
Also Stalin did a great deal of good for the USSR - of course this does not exonerate him from being a manipulative mass-murderer, but it's a fact that people seldom focus on.

 

[The Monkey]

Oh he's just trying to bait you - it's clearly someone out for a fight.
Also Stalin did a great deal of good for the USSR - of course this does not exonerate him from being a manipulative mass-murderer, but it's a fact that people seldom focus on.

Good? Josef Stalin and good does not match...

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Have they even determined what the terrorists' motives are? I read that the terrorists were unwilling to negotiate or even make any demands.

The fools that held the school hostage must have known that they would not have made it out alive. Are they that brainwashed to believe that attacking the innocent will make things better? What causes them to do this? Religion? Their faith? Are they that unfortunate that they must kill to survive?

To borrow from American History X: "Has everything you've done made your life better for you?"
It upsets me to think that these creatures think shooting up some children will make their lives better.

i really liked ur post.. especially that line from American History X

 

[fantasiser]

As much of cock Stalin was, its true he wouldnt let these chechen bitches strut around like they owned the place (I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY, THAT LAND IS MINE MOTHERB##HES!)
I know September 11 was bad, the theater in Moscow was bad, but kids at a freakin school? Thats beyond bad, i mean seriously.....
its a good idea about all the good arabs moving to one place so we can just nuke all the others lol

 

[el Chi]

Good? Josef Stalin and good does not match...

I didn't say he was a good person but he did do a lot for the Soviet Union in terms of moderninsing it.
When Stalin took over, Russia was still primarily peasantry and with little industry. He put a lot of emphasis on a program of rapid industrialisation in order to stop the USSR getting left behind and so this included farming machinery to improve grain yields etc., and car manafacturers, to give two examples.

Agriculture, particularly grain production, was one of the primary trades in the USSR at that time but it used unsophisticated techniques and equipment. Stalin introduced the program of collectivisation, whereby a number of farms would form a collective, thus sharing equipment, land and profits. This way, the peasentry could more easily afford the machinery and technology that would make their jobs easier and more productive. This program started as a voluntary scheme, however was later enforced after unsatisfactory numbers joined.

The USSR's heavy industry also grew very rapidly in this time, producing cars, tractors, machinery and weapons. This was crucial to the USSR's survival in the Second World War.

When Stalin took power, the majority of the country was not capable of living the Party's ideal of a sophisticated industrial entity for the world's workers to look up to and emulate. By the end of his rule, the USSR was within eight years of successfully putting the first human being into space. This achievement is made even more astonishing when one contemplates the fact that the Soviets received some of the heaviest losses in the Second World War.

I don't think Stalin was a good man, far from it, but he certainly was an impressive one.



If one asked one of those Chechen rebels why they felt the need to threaten those children, I imagine their line of thinking would be that the Russians have killed their children, now this is their revenge. Which, of course, justifies it in now way shape or form.

 

[fantasiser]

Many Chechens have died in the war, BUT
1. War is hell
2. A civilian school is NOT a warzone, or a place to fight a war

Saying that about the Chechens is the same as saying that The Iraqi people are within their right to go to an American school and kill children because of all the Iraqi children that have died as collateral damage from the last 10 years of bombing

 

[fantasiser]

Im sure every country has done some evil, but thats not a reason to try and put out a fire with more fuel

 

[Sprafa]

Stalin made a lot of good for Russia, but for the World it was mostly seen it in bad eyes. Nevertheless, Koba was insane.

But that means nothing. if he was in Putin's place he wouldn't be able to do much anyway without nuking Chechnya.

 

[Ch1cKeN]

where did you read that they drank their own piss? after 3 days no one is that thirsty, trust me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/world/04/russian_s/html/2.stm

source.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Some would say Stalin was the greatest Russian leader that ever was. Others might say he was evil...There are even ideas he was incompetant and simply used a hard line approach to not let that show.

I think if he was still around today he'd
1.Be living in an oxygen tank
2.Would have probably blown up(or at least stormed it) the school, if indeed it had happened, which it probably wouldn't have under his regime.

 

[RussianEmpire]

DIDNT YOU see the news WE killed everyone and we are about to NUKE
chechnya SO be AFRAID

Stalin made a lot of good for Russia, but for the World it was mostly seen it in bad eyes. Nevertheless, Koba was insane.

But that means nothing. if he was in Putin's place he wouldn't be able to do much anyway without nuking Chechnya.

DAM RIGHT NUKE CHECHNYA AAA MOTHER LAND
we russians have the most nukes in the world and a crap loads of nerve gases

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Dont make posts 30 seconds after each other

 

[RussianEmpire]

If it was me that arrested any of the guys who held up that school, I would have shot him right on the spot, no questions asked.

In the furtherst reaches of my reason I can see why a terrorist would want to bomb the World Trade Center or the Pentagon, but holding up a school is, well, it's unforgivable. It's children, why would you want to change the world through the blood of chidlren.

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Thats exactly what happend and 3 of them were captured to find out where are they from and then NUKE CHECHNYA

 

[RussianEmpire]

Dont make posts 30 seconds after each other

sorry man :rolling:

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

You just did it again!...There is an edit button you know.

 

[GuNzABlaZiN]

Can people stop talking about Stalin? He has very little to do with the siege. I'm Russian and the latest events really hit me hard, first the airliners, then the Moscow subway bombing and then this. Current numbers are 400+ dead (about half are kids) and almost a 1000 injured. I'm at a loss for words. Only cowards would take children hostage and than kill them. These terrorists are the scum of the Earth and need to be wiped out. They are no different from Al Qaeda or Hamas, they just simply need to be iradicated. Maybe Russia should look into building a wall similar to what Israel built. There are no attacks where there is a wall.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Actually, this thread is about how Stalin would have handled it.

 

[Foxtrot]

If it was me that arrested any of the guys who held up that school, I would have shot him right on the spot, no questions asked.

In the furtherst reaches of my reason I can see why a terrorist would want to bomb the World Trade Center or the Pentagon, but holding up a school is, well, it's unforgivable. It's children, why would you want to change the world through the blood of chidlren.

You are right, killing children is way more reasonable than killing people over 18...

 

[ZeeM]

Humans cannot survive for more than a few days without water.

thats up to 2 weeks

 

[NSPIRE]

where did you read that they drank their own piss? after 3 days no one is that thirsty, trust me.

Urine is NOT toxic, it's completely sterile. My dad's a doctor, I know these things. And it was towards the bottom of the CNN Article, if you even took time to read it.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

It tastes like wee though...


He didn't say it was toxic anyway, he just said its something that most people wouldnt consider after 3 days. Although, since thats about how long you can go without water in the best of conditions, let alone a steaming hot gym, I think most people would actually think about drinking their own urine.

 

[NSPIRE]

It tastes like wee though...


He didn't say it was toxic anyway, he just said its something that most people wouldnt consider after 3 days. Although, since thats about how long you can go without water in the best of conditions, let alone a steaming hot gym, I think most people would actually think about drinking their own urine.

Heh, I know he didn't say it was toxic, some kid below him said that, actually . I know I'd consider it if it meant death or life... sheesh.

 

[GuNzABlaZiN]

Actually, this thread is about how Stalin would have handled it.

I don't see Stalin in the topic title, the first post mentioned Stalin and then everybody almost forgot that 400 people died a couple of days ago. Almost like the CNN coverage of the topic "Criminal charges were dropped against Kobe Bryant and Hurricane Charley is gaining strength...oh and also 400 people died in Russia or something, and now onto sports". Do you suppose I should make a separate topic? Because obviously talking about drinking urine is much more important.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

No I do not, suppose, you should make another topic. Just don't tell everyone else to talk about something else when they are discussing what the thread is about. Just because it is not in the title doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it. It was in the first post...The post made by the person who started the thread. He talk about Stalin, and many of us were carrying that on. We didn't forget about the children, but we do not have to talk about them all the time. World war two was a horrible time, but we don't talk about that every thread...That doesn't mean we have fogotten about it.

The news coverage of the hostage situation has been very extensive here, if not a little cruel on the Russians in my view.

 

[GuNzABlaZiN]

BBC had probably the only good coverage where I am. I bet it would be much different if it happened in western Europe or in the States. Also, why are people talking about drinking urine, I don't see that any where in the original message? So why are you telling me that I'm telling everyone else to talk about something else? But then again, moderators are always right! :thumbs:

You know what I think Stalin what do? He would send an army into Chechnya and kill every last one of them. Or atleast cut off supplies coming in from the mainland, cause a famine like in Ukraine shortly after the revolution.