Ryan Dunn, dead.

lol. It's a simple question bro. Where is it heading? Again, the question is:

What do you mean when you say you don't have any sympathy for him?
 
No Limit said:
What do you mean when you say you don't have any sympathy for him?
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I'm not Shift, but the latest I've heard is that the guy was going 130 mph and his blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. Why in the world would you have sympathy for him? He died doing something stupid, as I think most people would have expected from him.
 
No Limit said:
lol. It's a simple question bro. Where is it heading? Again, the question is:

What do you mean when you say you don't have any sympathy for him?
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Yorick said:
I'm not Shift, but the latest I've heard is that the guy was going 130 mph and his blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. Why in the world would you have sympathy for him? He died doing something stupid, as I think most people would have expected from him.
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I feel the same as Yorick. It'd be different if he was just driving home and was killed by a drunk driver. But when he was the one being reckless and driving under the influence I can't feel sympathy for him. He chose to drink and drive and paid the ultimate price.
 
Yorick said:
I'm not Shift, but the latest I've heard is that the guy was going 130 mph and his blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. Why in the world would you have sympathy for him? He died doing something stupid, as I think most people would have expected from him.
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Escaep said:
I feel the same as Yorick. It'd be different if he was just driving home and was killed by a drunk driver. But when he was the one being reckless and driving under the influence I can't feel sympathy for him. He chose to drink and drive and paid the ultimate price.
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Because this one really bad decision cost him his life. People make bad choices all the time. As I said I'm sure you have loved ones that do stuff like this. So I don't understand not being sympathetic to this situation. If this was someone you cared about would you guys be more sympathetic in that situation?
 
No Limit said:
Because this one really bad decision cost him his life. People make bad choices all the time. As I said I'm sure you have loved ones that do stuff like this. So I don't understand not being sympathetic to this situation. If this was someone you cared about would you guys be more sympathetic in that situation?
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One of my cousins, who was my best friend, died in a car accident when she was 18 (I was 16), all because she didn't put on her seatbelt. Do I miss her? Of course. Do I feel bad for her mother? Certainly. Did she do something incredibly stupid? You better believe it.

Feeling bad doesn't mean that your judgement has to go completely out the window. It sucks that she died, especially so young, but it was her own fault. As you said, a really bad decision cost a life. In her case it was something silly, something that most people don't even think about.

Dunn made the decision to drink all of that alcohol and drive that fast. It's hard to feel sympathy as much when something is completely self-inflicted like that. It was a decision, not a mistake. I think that's the difference.
 
Sorry to hear about your cousin. I've been lucky enough not to lose any close friends in accidents like that.

When you say this was her fault you are probably right about that. But I find that to be a pretty ****ed up way to look at it. Yes, she made the decision not to put on the seatbelt. But even if it was a conscious decision on her part (which she probably made many times) I think it still was a mistake. To make a mistake you must first make a decision.

So I would think you would have sympathy for her atleast how I would define sympathy. And this is why I asked shift what he meant by sympathy, I wasn't trying to get him in to a debate about religion, I just wanted to know what he associates sympathy with. Maybe we see what that word means differently.

Eventhough what Dunn did was far dumber than what your cousin did it still sucks he ended up dying for that one mistake. I have people I care about that I can see the same thing happening to. I did stupid shit like this when I was younger. So I'm very sympathetic to his situation.
 
I think many of us are very lucky not to have lost anyone really close to us,yet anyways.I can't imagine how I would feel if my sisters or my cousin would just stop being here.
Yeah dunn kinda ****ed up...but I do hope his family doesn't get sued or something.
 
Bam Margera had the audacity to call Ebert a "piece of shit"? My oh my.
 
God damnit Ebert, you're gonna force me to take Bam's side on this?
 
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To be honest, Ebert's just chiming in where his high-horse opinion really isn't needed. He should just go back to hating 80% of films that come out and writing about them and being ignored by people who watch them.

Also, that WBC stuff is actually infuriating. What kind of Christians "protest" a funeral? F*cking idiots. What are they even protesting against? Sorry, you can't have a funeral because you're a sinner and we say so.
 
"Millions of people are crying right now, shut your fat ****ing mouth!"

oh **** off Bam. millions of people couldnt give two shits


lol I dont get the hate for ebert. it's because he said video games arent art isnt it? I mean the hate is almost exclusively from gamers. I respect his opinion however I wouldnt have bothered writing anything about Dunn's death because I couldnt even fake interest in his passing
 
I actually really like Ebert, which is why this pisses me off so much. What a ****ing idiotic thing to do. Sending a message to a close friend of a guy that just died in a car crash suggesting that he should have done more to prevent this.

On edit: Originally when I saw the video above I got the impression Ebert sent this directly to Bam, which I why I thought this was such an idiotic thing to do. That doesn't appear to be the case, he just tweeted it to his own page. So please ignore my outrage.
 
CptStern said:
"Millions of people are crying right now, shut your fat ****ing mouth!"

oh **** off Bam. millions of people couldnt give two shits
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Well, Dunn had a lot of fans so, yeah, a lot of people kinda do. I can't blame Bam for what he's saying right now. His best friend just died, I mean, come on. He's still a human being.

CptStern said:
lol I dont get the hate for ebert. it's because he said video games arent art isnt it? I mean the hate is almost exclusively from gamers. I respect his opinion however I wouldnt have bothered writing anything about Dunn's death because I couldnt even fake interest in his passing
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He said that? I've only ever been aware of him saying almost every piece of cinema is shit.

No Limit said:
Originally when I saw the video above I got the impression Ebert sent this directly to Bam, which I why I thought this was such an idiotic thing to do. That doesn't appear to be the case, he just tweeted it to his own page. So please ignore my outrage.
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I still think it's a stupid thing to do. He's a celebrity, he should know the things he Tweets are going to get noticed, escalated and passed around. So soon after his death as well. There was just no need. Regardless of what you think of Dunn, there's such a thing as keeping your opinions to yourself when it's appropriate.
 
Stylo said:
Well, Dunn had a lot of fans so, yeah, a lot of people kinda do.
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I'm a huge fan of star trek but didnt shed a tear when Roddenberry died. I'd say a half dozen cried tops

Stylo said:
I can't blame Bam for what he's saying right now. His best friend just died, I mean, come on. He's still a human being.
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ebert had a point and Dunn was in the public eye so it should be no surprise people are critical of the way he died. you kinda negate sympathy when you drink to beyond intoxication drive and end up killing not only yourself but someone else as well. hell no one gave a shit when Hulk Hogan's son was raked through the coals when he got into an accident that left a man a vegetable.

Stylo said:
I've only ever been aware of him saying almost every piece of cinema is shit.
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ya that's not true. you can tell he loves cinema he just doesnt like hollywood garbage like transformers or most summer blockbusters



No Limit said:
Sending a message to a close friend of a guy that just died in a car crash suggesting that he should have done more to prevent this.
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I thought he posted it on his twitter page not sent Bam a direct message. hell it's no different than any of us saying we have no sympathy for Dunn due to the circumstances. just because it's ebert saying it people bust a nut
 
Well, it's official.

Jackass star Ryan Dunn was drunk when he died in a fiery car crash early Monday morning according to a toxicology report released by police on Wednesday. His blood alcohol level was found to be 0.196, which is more than double the legal limit of 0.08.

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"He spoke clearly. He walked clearly. He came in hop, skip, jumping. He left hop, skip, jumping," he said. "If these results are true, I'm shocked at it. We were very confident that he had not had that much."
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http://www.zimbio.com/Ryan+Dunn/articles/Hm02ngXhgiy/Ryan+Dunn+Toxicology+Report+Reveals+Jackass
 
CptStern said:
I thought he posted it on his twitter page not sent Bam a direct message. hell it's no different than any of us saying we have no sympathy for Dunn due to the circumstances. just because it's ebert saying it people bust a nut
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You are right, I editted my post before you posted, I misunderstood the video.

I still think it's a stupid thing to do. He's a celebrity, he should know the things he Tweets are going to get noticed, escalated and passed around. So soon after his death as well. There was just no need. Regardless of what you think of Dunn, there's such a thing as keeping your opinions to yourself when it's appropriate.
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I'm in the same boat as you in that I think people are going too far in their outrage and judgement in this case. But Ebert posted this on his own twitter account where most people wouldn't even have noticed it if it weren't for Bam mentioning it.
 
CptStern said:
ebert had a point and Dunn was in the public eye so it should be no surprise people are critical of the way he died.
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...and Ebert is in the public eye which is why people are critical when he makes such crude statements immediately after someone's death.

Just because what Ebert said might be true in the eyes of many, doesn't mean he has the right to Tweet about it without getting a backlash. He deserves it, frankly.

Just because people think Dunn's behaviour was stupid doesn't instantly mean celebrities can be insensitive c*nts about it. He has a family, he has friends, they're still freshly dealing with the fact they've lost him in such a tragic way without some movie critic bashing him publicly.

It's nothing to do with Ebert saying it that's what people are angry at. I wouldn't care who said it, it'd still be a massive lack of tact. Unsurprisingly Ebert has apologised since for being such a tool.
 
Stylo said:
...and Ebert is in the public eye which is why people are critical when he makes such crude statements immediately after someone's death.
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crude statement? he had a good point

Stylo said:
Just because what Ebert said might be true in the eyes of many, doesn't mean he has the right to Tweet about it without getting a backlash. He deserves it, frankly.
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deserves it because Dunn was somehow above reproach? he ****ing killed another person I guess that doesnt count for all that much. hell I'm sure the passenger's family dont have a lot of nice things to say about Dunn. Dunn celebrated douchebaggery when he was alive if anythign I think he'd approve of Ebert statement

Stylo said:
Just because people think Dunn's behaviour was stupid doesn't instantly mean celebrities can be insensitive c*nts about it. He has a family, he has friends, they're still freshly dealing with the fact they've lost him in such a tragic way without some movie critic bashing him publicly.
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bashing him? you're certainly reading into something that's not there. he cricicised his friends for letting him drive drunk. any other person would have had the same cricism layed at his feet but because Dunn was some kind of idiot celebrity (in the sense he became a celebrity out of acting like an idiot) and that somehow makes him immune to criticism that would be applicable to pretty much anyone else? he was stupid for drinking and driving, he was stupid for driving recklessly, he was stupid for taking the life of someone else into his own hands and damning the consequences of his actions. if anything as a celebrity he should earn more criticism not less. that said I dont fault what either person said I just have an issue with people takign sides based on what was said or at least the overly outraged ones
 
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deserves it because Dunn was somehow above reproach? *SNIP*
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Stopping it there because you totally ignored what I said.

I didn't say Dunn was above criticism and I said that many people hold what Ebert said to be true.

The point I was making (that you seem to have missed) is that Ebert was insensitive for Tweeting his little statement. You've clearly not read my post properly and just assumed I'm defending Dunn and his actions and making him about to be The Messiah while Ebert is a dick for criticising him.

Ebert can be crticial of Dunn all he likes but that still doesn't mean he isn't a douchebag to many people for his complete lack of tact.

The man has just thrown the responsibilty of the deaths of 2 people, none of which he had anything to do with, at Dunn's friends pretty much IMMEDIATELY after it was discovered the car crash had happened. Roger Ebert has no place publicly laying blame on people for deaths and neither is he above society's moral codes.

Millions of people are outraged at him because he stuck his accusational oar in at a time when it was totally inappropriate. Hell, Ebert Tweeted this BEFORE it was even discovered Dunn had been DUI.

People are grieving for Dunn. His friends, family and fans. This has nothing to do with whether you think Ebert's message is true or not. It's about him publicly being opinionated about it right after Dunn died which is going to do nothing but add to the trauma that the people who loved him will be suffering right now.

It doesn't matter what you think of Dunn. Ebert still shouldn't have said what he said as soon as the news broke. Even Ebert himself has acknowledged his idiocy in saying:

"I don't know what happened in this case, and I was probably too quick to tweet. That was unseemly."

Which is right.
 
he really has no obligation to be sensitive to the circumstances surrounding Dunn's death. his apology reeks of avoiding public backlash

Hell, Ebert Tweeted this BEFORE it was even discovered Dunn had been DUI.
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they had just left a bar. dui was pretty much a given. a single beer can push some people over the limit. and the speed they were driving was also a telltale sign; there wasnt much left of the body. Ebert was pretty much echoing what many people were already saying. he's just a more convieient target than the millions saying his irresponsible actions led to his death

Millions of people are outraged at him because he stuck his accusational oar in at a time when it was totally inappropriate.
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oh come on millions? I have a hard time seeing hundreds let alone millions. it wasnt that offensive
 
CptStern said:
he really has no obligation to be sensitive to the circumstances surrounding Dunn's death. his apology reeks of avoiding public backlash
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Nope, he has no obligation but he could have at least had a sense of decency, that's the issue. People are angry because he stepped into the fray and cast his unneeded judgement. Like you say, he's echoing what many people around are saying. So why did he need to state it in public on his Twitter account for all to see?

oh come on millions? I have a hard time seeing hundreds let alone millions. it wasnt that offensive
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Millions, thousands, hundreds. Be persnickity about the grand total of people offended all you want but people still were and it was enough people for it to matter on a wide scale and enough for him to apologise for his behaviour.
 
Stylo said:
Nope, he has no obligation but he could have at least had a sense of decency, that's the issue. People are angry because he stepped into the fray and cast his unneeded judgement. Like you say, he's echoing what many people around are saying. So why did he need to state it in public on his Twitter account for all to see?

Millions, thousands, hundreds. Be persnickity about the grand total of people offended all you want but people still were and it was enough people for it to matter on a wide scale and enough for him to apologise for his behaviour.
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offended because ebert was right in that he was drunk at the time of his death doing more than twice the speed limit. ok, fake moral outrage engaged
 
CptStern said:
offended because ebert was right in that he was drunk at the time of his death doing more than twice the speed limit. ok, fake moral outrage engaged
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Mmkay, pretty sure you know you're just being daft now.

Nobody is offended because "Ebert was right". They were offended by his unnecessary public judgements of the very recently deceased Ryan Dunn from high upon the golden pedestal he sits atop. They were offended by the hurt that it caused the people who loved him and offended by the fact he lobbed his 2 cents in right after the incident happened.

Not only was his judgement not asked for on a public social networking site but it was too soon and people did not like it.
 
I don't feel much sympathy for Dunn because, as it's been said many times on here, he made that choice to drive despite being intoxicated and risked not only his life but his friend's as well. It's the people they left behind (i.e. the friends and families, especially Dunn's closest friends) that I feel sympathy for. They're the ones who have to now go through life without him there. I just hope that after this tragedy people will take the "don't drink and drive" law more seriously. It would be good if Dunn's death prevented thousands of people dying needlessly in similar circumstances.
 
I think the idea that someone who would drink and drive will think twice about it now because Dunn died because of a DUI is just a bit absurd to me.
 
No Limit said:
I think the idea that someone who would drink and drive will think twice about it now because Dunn died because of a DUI is just a bit absurd to me.
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Mmm. It's like the cig packets here in the UK (and I can't remember which other countries). Yeah, they have graphic pictures of diseased lungs and throat cancer on them with pretty much "SMOKING WILL DO THIS TO YOU" written underneath but do people who smoke really look at them and give much of a shit? I've not heard anything about it boosting the amount of people quitting smoking.

Same with people who drink and drive. They can be shown an example of what can happen to them but are they really gonna stop?
 
I don't really care too much about this, I was never a fan of Jackass and had no idea who this guy was until he died (like Glenn said, on the celebrity-o-meter he was a nobody).

But frankly, it was his own damn fault he died, he was driving way too fast, while pretty pissed. Just as well he didn't hurt anyone who wasn't involved, that WOULD be sad.
 
Being that drunk and driving that fast, **** him. That's so blatantly careless with your life and especially the lives of anyone on the road. He could have easily killed someone and destroyed the lives involving the victim(s). It's like saying, "I'm gonna do whatever I want and I don't give a shit if it's a high risk to other people"
 
Stylo said:
Mmkay, pretty sure you know you're just being daft now.

Nobody is offended because "Ebert was right". They were offended by his unnecessary public judgements of the very recently deceased Ryan Dunn from high upon the golden pedestal he sits atop. They were offended by the hurt that it caused the people who loved him and offended by the fact he lobbed his 2 cents in right after the incident happened.

Not only was his judgement not asked for on a public social networking site but it was too soon and people did not like it.
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what people? fans of Dunn's and his family. no one else cares and most agree with ebert. he was being a jackass by drinking and driving recklessly. the overwhelming sentiment out there is that he deserved exactly what he got because he put the ball in motion; he caused his death and the death of his passenger. It's not like he's freakin mother theresa or freakin jesus that commands the level of respect needed to silence all criticism. he's famous for stuffing crap up his ass ffs
 
Quoting this because you're still missing his point:

Stylo said:
Ebert can be crticial of Dunn all he likes but that still doesn't mean he isn't a douchebag to many people for his complete lack of tact.
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I wonder if this is just white noise to you. I wouldn't be terribly surprised.
 
so the **** what? people think he's a douchebag. cry me a river. he's still right. we've made fun of a ton of people who have exited this world in just as specatcular a fashion. I dont see why Dunn should get extra consideration. I guess we're all douchebags
 
All I'm saying is that Dunn, whether you hate him or not, had a lot of people who loved him. Just because he was responsible for his own death won't make all those people abandon him. Just because you think he's an ass doesn't mean his family and friends should be treated with lack of respect, they haven't done anything to deserve that. If you're so pissed off about him, I hear the WBC are planning on protesting his funeral, maybe you can join them and hurl some abuse at people grieving for the loss of someone they cared about. I mean, as long as it's not you, right? F*ck it.

I guess we're all douchebags
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Such is life.
 
Stylo said:
All I'm saying is that Dunn, whether you hate him or not, had a lot of people who loved him. Just because he was responsible for his own death won't make all those people abandon him. Just because you think he's an ass doesn't mean his family and friends should be treated with lack of respect, they haven't done anything to deserve that. If you're so pissed off about him, I hear the WBC are planning on protesting his funeral, maybe you can join them and hurl some abuse at people grieving for the loss of someone they cared about. I mean, as long as it's not you, right? F*ck it.



Such is life.
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melodramatic much? he said jackasses dont let their friends drive drunk. this is abuse? sure it might be tactless as the body hadnt stopped smouldering when he made that remark but Dunn was a public figure; they have no expectation of privacy. people have every right to criticise him based on the circumstances surrounding his death. people also have a right to bitch and complain about that criticism but they shouldnt be surprised considering he's a celebrity who died by his own hand. and to compare people who criticise the manner of his death alongside WBC is just stupid as you're saying only the fringe have a right to criticise

"He acted like a dick and it killed him but no one should say that"
 
Roger Ebert's always been a dick. Now he always looks really surprised. But I guess being a dick comes with the territory when you're a critic by career.
 
Once again missing the point. It's not that he shouldn't have held that opinion altogether, it was that he Tweeted it publicly to 486,938 people (at the time I posted this, his Twitter account is here) who then passed it on to all their followers via retweets and so on and so forth.

Perhaps if he'd have let people grieve a bit before being opinonated it wouldn't have been as bad and he wouldn't have gotten as much backlash but no, Ebert decided to Tweet this on the same day that Dunn died, just hours after news had broken.

I get that you hold some sort of disdain towards him but that you seem to be annoyed that people have spoken out against Ebert is beyond me. You're saying people have every right to criticise Dunn well, they also have every right to criticise Ebert.

I'm not comparing everyone who's critical of the circumstances of his death to WBC just the ones who say things like:

so the **** what? people think he's a douchebag. cry me a river. he's still right. we've made fun of a ton of people who have exited this world in just as specatcular a fashion.
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