Saddam Hussein sentenced to death :(

[CptStern]

Then he must be innocent, right?

I dont know ...you tell me

 

[Polaris]

I dont know ...you tell me

I don't care if he cooperated with Russia, USA or France and if he met Rumsfeld. Saddam was definitely bloody totalitarian dictator and criminal who ordered killing innocent civilians in Iraq, Kurdistan and Kuwait.

 

[CptStern]

I don't care if he cooperated with Russia, USA or France and if he met Rumsfeld. Saddam was definitely bloody totalitarian dictator and criminal who ordered killing innocent civilians in Iraq, Kurdistan and Kuwait.

read the accompanying article and the declassified documents

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/


here's their conclusion:

The current Bush administration discusses Iraq in starkly moralistic terms to further its goal of persuading a skeptical world that a preemptive and premeditated attack on Iraq could and should be supported as a "just war." The documents included in this briefing book reflect the realpolitik that determined this country's policies during the years when Iraq was actually employing chemical weapons. Actual rather than rhetorical opposition to such use was evidently not perceived to serve U.S. interests; instead, the Reagan administration did not deviate from its determination that Iraq was to serve as the instrument to prevent an Iranian victory. Chemical warfare was viewed as a potentially embarrassing public relations problem that complicated efforts to provide assistance. The Iraqi government's repressive internal policies, though well known to the U.S. government at the time, did not figure at all in the presidential directives that established U.S. policy toward the Iran-Iraq war. The U.S. was concerned with its ability to project military force in the Middle East, and to keep the oil flowing.

 

[Aenama]

That change anything,he is still as said a Dictator.

 

[15357]

Not all dictators are bad, as not all non-dictators are good.



I'm not talking about Saddam here, though.

 

[brink's]

Isn't it against his religious belief to commit suicide? I mean, doesn't his religion believe commiting suicide is a sin?

Not if you take other sinners with you........appartently.

 

[CptStern]

That change anything,he is still as said a Dictator.

you didnt understand a word of it did you?

 

[The Monkey]

Not all dictators are bad, as not all non-dictators are good.



I'm not talking about Saddam here, though.

Fine then, name one good dictator.

 

[CptStern]

oh oh oh!!! I know! pick me!!!

...ummm Hitler ..no wait ...umm Mussolini! ...umm damn this is hard ...Pol Pot? ..Kim Jong II! ...George Bush? ...who's that guy who helped people avoid starvation by killing them? ..Stalin?

 

[Dynasty]

Back on point, i doubt they will make it a public hanging. If they do, he will have a bag over his head or something, which will start the whole 'was it really him getting hanged' flame debates. Either way, i bet it will be on Youtube a few days later

I dont like making fun of death or looking forward to watching someone die, but in all honesty, no matter who you are, you want to see him be punished.

 

[CptStern]

he deserves to rot in prison forgotten and broken ..not revered as a martyr or as a pariah

I rather he left this world with a whimper rather than a bang

 

[zleppelin]

CptStern, did you know that according to Iraq law a person 70 years old or older cannot be executed? Saddam will turn 70 (he looks much younger btw) on April.

 

[CptStern]

you'll have to do better than just your word ..source please

i really dont think they'll go to the trouble of sentencing him to death if they knew they couldnt enforce it

 

[zleppelin]

you'll have to do better than just your word ..source please

i really dont think they'll go to the trouble of sentencing him to death if they knew they couldnt enforce it

Enjoy: http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/iraq501/defining_penalty.html

 

[KagePrototype]

Saddam says: "I call on all Iraqis, Arabs and Kurds, to forgive, reconcile and shake hands."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6123526.stm

 

[VictimOfScience]

Saddam says: "I call on all Iraqis, Arabs and Kurds, to forgive, reconcile and shake hands."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6123526.stm

Pfft, I did that a few months ago. I don't know what makes him think they'll listen now!


:E


On a serious note, its nice to say, even if its just lip-service.

 

[CptStern]

Enjoy: http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/iraq501/defining_penalty.html

yes but perhaps you should have kept on reading:

Iraqi law forbids the execution of anyone over 70 years old. Saddam is 68, and some critics worry that a desire to execute him before he reaches 70 could lead to a hasty trial. There’s also concern that if Saddam is convicted of war crimes in one of the first trials, he could hang before being tried for his other crimes. Tribunal law doesn’t allow the death sentence of any Iraqi official, including the president, to be commuted and says the execution of the defendant must happen within 30 days of a final judgment

 

[zleppelin]

yes but perhaps you should have kept on reading:

I read somewhere that his execution won't take place until the spring of next year. Don't have sources. I'm sure he'll be executed before his 70th birthday though.

 

[brink's]

Can't he appeal? maybe drag this thing out another few months until its illegal for him to be executed?

Stern was correct

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6123526.stm

"the execution must be carried out within 30 days. "

 

[CptStern]

ya he has a right to appeal ..however it'll be in vain

 

[Nemesis6]

Saddam says: "I call on all Iraqis, Arabs and Kurds, to forgive, reconcile and shake hands."

I wonder if that's Saddam's idea of a sick joke... :x

 

[brink's]

More like a last resort.

 

[CptStern]

I wonder if that's Saddam's idea of a sick joke... :x

not really ..if you're familiar with the situation in iraq it makes sense ..turkey could very well move into kurd controlled northern iraq, effectively splintering iraq into regions to be fought over tooth and nail ..the kurds have already set up their own local governments

 

[kirovman]

Yeah, Saddam has ruled over a united Iraq for years. He doesn't want to see it disintegrate whilst he still thinks he has a shot of getting back in power (however unlikely that may be).

 

[ComradeBadger]

he deserves to rot in prison forgotten and broken ..not revered as a martyr or as a pariah

I rather he left this world with a whimper rather than a bang

Agreed.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

he deserves to rot in prison forgotten and broken ..not revered as a martyr or as a pariah

I rather he left this world with a whimper rather than a bang

Nicely put. Completely agree. The bastard should end up in a prison in America for the rest of his life. That way, he could go out the way he came in; Funded by US tax dollars.

 

[kirovman]

From a scientific point of view, he is an interesting specimen of a human being, I think the death penalty is a waste, when we could put him in a Hannibal Lectur-esque cell in the world's most highly secure mental penitentiary/research laboratory.

Captured tyrants don't come around so often, and this is a far better alternative than "Sweeping that bad man under the carpet".

 

[15357]

Fine then, name one good dictator.

President General Park Chung Hee.

 

[DigiQ8]

Just bring him to Kuwait....hehe...muahahaha !

 

[Neutrino]

Just bring him to Kuwait....hehe...muahahaha !

That gets my vote.

We should send Saddam to live in Kuwait and Bush to live in Iraq. Would be an interesting exercise in karma.

 

[15357]

Just bring him to Kuwait....hehe...muahahaha !

I'd second that.

 

[Jack Thomas]

I'll just sum my whole opinion about this into one quote which I took from one of my favorite games, Baldur's Gate:

''He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you...''

 

[zleppelin]

I'll just sum my whole opinion about this into one quote which I took from one of my favorite games, Baldur's Gate:

''He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you...''

Friedrich Nietzsche said that.

In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes ("projects") to others, one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the ego recognize them. The theory was developed by Sigmund Freud and further refined by his daughter Anna Freud.To understand the process, imagine an individual (Alice, for example) who feels dislike for another person (let's say Bob), but whose unconscious mind will not allow her to become aware of this negative emotion. Instead of admitting to herself that she feels dislike for Bob, she projects her dislike onto Bob, so that her conscious thought is not "I don't like Bob," but "Bob doesn't like me." In this way one can see that projection is related to denial, the only defense mechanism, some argue, that is more primitive than projection. Alice has denied a part of herself that is desperate to come to the surface. She can't flatly admit that she doesn't like Bob, so instead she will project the dislike, thinking Bob doesn't like her. Another, and an ironic, example is if Alice were to say, "Bob seems to project his feelings onto me."

The concept was anticipated by Friedrich Nietzsche:

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
— Beyond Good and Evil

 

[Jack Thomas]

Well, yes. I just told where I found the quote.

 

[99.vikram]

Part of me says death should not be a punishment. The other part says let the ****er die.

Hmmm, (b) seems the better option...