Same sex marriage

[Sprafa]

And I suppose you think a straight couple who don't get children shouldn't get married either Sprafa?

Marriage is wrong since the beggining, derivating from a Christian ritual.
The most close to truth religion there is Islam. I would agree a little more if it was derivated from Islam. And I'm not Islamic. Actually, I dislike every sort of religion. I just like Islam a little more than the rest.

And as I said above, to deny the natural course of life is always wrong.

 

[Zakat]

I think, there're other highly developed races in the universe, which will lead to war, I mean, seriously, who knows? There mgiht be aliens 'inspecting' OUR solarsystem.

Also, we are made to reproduce, LIKE ANY OTHER ****ING LIFE FORM, that's pretty obvious, and yes, our 'meaning' of life is to bring our genes to the next generation, but, you have to take the human mind into consideration too, many people have their 'own' purposes in their lifes, ussually dreams, like, say, my dream, is to get to save peoples lifes, thus I prioritize reaching that dream right under having a kid(and believe me, I want a child, if I get into a relationship with another male(I won't marry anyway, my parents didn't) and he doesn't want to adopt, then I'll simply break up with him and find another partner, might take some years, but, from my experiences with really small children, they make your life worth living

 

[Sprafa]

I think, there're other highly developed races in the universe, which will lead to war, I mean, seriously, who knows? There mgiht be aliens 'inspecting' OUR solarsystem.

No one can be sure. And if you mean that they would attack us....not very probable, if they coudn't reach us and we can reach them, we're more advanced.

Also, we are made to reproduce, LIKE ANY OTHER ****ING LIFE FORM, that's pretty obvious, and yes, our 'meaning' of life is to bring our genes to the next generation, but, you have to take the human mind into consideration too, many people have their 'own' purposes in their lifes, ussually dreams, like, say, my dream, is to get to save peoples lifes, thus I prioritize reaching that dream right under having a kid(and believe me, I want a child, if I get into a relationship with another male(I won't marry anyway, my parents didn't) and he doesn't want to adopt, then I'll simply break up with him and find another partner, might take some years, but, from my experiences with really small children, they make your life worth living

Exactly were "right" and "wrong" get messed up.
We have other needs than "reproduction" and even ones that overpass it. That s the problem with the world today. We seem to be unable to see the obvious.

I still think Warren Spector is a genius for DX2's story :

In real life, there is no black & white, only several shades of grey

 

[Varg|Hund]

as long as they dont try to convert otheres into being gay

Yes, of course they are going to convert people. They're going to go around and make people gay. They are going to make people choose to be gay. Of course they're going to bloody convert people.

 

[Zakat]

Sprafa, as you said, no-ones sure, they might have the ability to reach us, but're pleased to watch us from afar right now.


"Exactly were "right" and "wrong" get messed up.
We have other needs than "reproduction" and even ones that overpass it. That s the problem with the world today. We seem to be unable to see the obvious."

Btw, did you give me credit for what I said or am I slow today?

 

[Sprafa]

Sprafa, as you said, no-ones sure, they might have the ability to reach us, but're pleased to watch us from afar right now.

If they are a non-logical organical being as we are (meaning = they haven't eveolved till a point were all they have collective minds and can see into the time-space conitnuum), they would have interfered during the Cold War.

Btw, did you give me credit for what I said or am I slow today?

IMO You're mostly right. So I gave you credit.

 

[Direwolf]

I suppose I have more sympathy having met and known a number of gay people.
Marriage isn't going away any time soon, so thats an entirely seperate issue from this one. What we are talking about is a simple civil union totally seperate from the church. Religion can do as it like, the issue here is whether the state can acknowledge a gay marriage. The most similar policy is divorce: easy under the state but most churchs do not allow it.
I don't see how gay marriage hurts anybody so it doesn't bother me.
The reproduction argument is poppicock. Pretty much all cultures allow the marriage of infertile couples and senior citizens. They'll never bear young but are united in the eyes of the law. The only differences between that and gay marriage is superficial.

 

[Zakat]

Hehe thanks Sprafa, even that made me super-happy, these last days of my life have sucked big time -_-

 

[mortiz]

no problem with it what so ever.

It's difficult to pinpoint a specific reason as to why people are gay since pretty much every species is geared towards attracting/being attractive to members of the opposite sex in order to procreate and pass on our genes, it's one of the most basic sub conscious instincts. Homosexuals don't have this "instinct" as hetrosexuals do.

I believe that if there is a "God" then homosexuals have as much right to be on this Earth as hetrosexuals, and just like hetrosexuals have a reason for the way they are. Hell, they're probably the next evolutionary step or something.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I don't see a problem with it. Keep it clean guys, or I'll close the thread

 

[ductonius]

I agree with none of the poll options it is very poorly constructed.

None of these options even remotely fit my opinion on the matter.

 

[mchammer75040]

I agree with none of the poll options it is very poorly constructed.

None of these options even remotely fit my opinion on the matter.

which would be....

 

[PvtRyan]

Btw, Sprafa, you keep going on about how nature intends us to reproduce and stuff. But that's just plain wrong. Homosexuality is as common with animals as it is with humans, and it does serve an evolutionary role. Take pinguins for example, two gay pinguins will adopt, feed and protect a orphan child. They do help their species survive.

 

[ComradeBadger]

po|| h4x

 

[mortiz]

People saying how "Gay adoptions are wrong because the kid will get picked on" are highlighting a problem with society, not with gay adoptions.

 

[Letters]

Okay, at first this was silly, but now it's pissing me off. Most idiotic "issue"... ever...

 

[Sprafa]

Btw, Sprafa, you keep going on about how nature intends us to reproduce and stuff. But that's just plain wrong. Homosexuality is as common with animals as it is with humans, and it does serve an evolutionary role. Take pinguins for example, two gay pinguins will adopt, feed and protect a orphan child. They do help their species survive.

I do agree that homosexuality is not a purely human misconception.
And I did accepted and supported the fact of a adoption by two homosexuals.

 

[craig]

People saying how "Gay adoptions are wrong because the kid will get picked on" are highlighting a problem with society, not with gay adoptions.

Yeah, the actual problem with gays adopting is the fact that the kid may end up gay even if it's not ginetically geared towards being so, which in MY oppinion is wrong.

Fair enough, doing what gays do because they have some in-built drive attracting them to the same sex is one thing. Being conditioned through growing up with two homosexual parents is something completley different and wrong IMO.

 

[Sprafa]

Yeah, the actual problem with gays adopting is the fact that the kid may end up gay even if it's not ginetically geared towards being so, which in MY oppinion is wrong.

Fair enough, doing what gays do because they have some in-built mental drive attracting them to the same sex is one thing. Being conditioned through growing up with two homosexual parents is something completley different and wrong IMO.

Usually, b/c of society misconception, children that are adopted by homosexuals turn into homosexual dislikers/haters.

 

[craig]

Usually, b/c of society misconception, children that are adopted by homosexuals turn into homosexual dislikers/haters.

well whatever. if you make the choice to do the un-natural act of living with a life-partner who is the same sex you shouldn't be allowed to have children or be married.

on a side note marriage is becoming a joke anyway with the way we as a modern day society treat it.

 

[Fat Tony!]

this has nothing to do with god, church and crap. Marrige is now just a legal bonding and ill say it again and again.... therefore its fine

 

[Direwolf]

Thats my take on it. Seperate church and state and all that. They can't be denied the opportunity because some people consider it immoral.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

I voted same rights because from as far as I can see they are not actually harming anyone. I don't see why they should be punished for their feelings.


Meh. I might make a more detailed post tomorrow. But I am tired right now.

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

being gay is not natural all animals are born to have sex and young when 2 gays adobt a child the child will almost certinaly become gay and it will spread (sorry if i made it sound like a disease)

 

[ComradeBadger]

being gay is not natural all animals are born to have sex and young when 2 gays adobt a child the child will almost certinaly become gay and it will spread (sorry if i made it sound like a disease)

Think properly my friend. Animals have 'gay sex' there is nothing more natural than pleasuring yourself/someone you love, regardless of sex.

 

[Varg|Hund]

being gay is not natural all animals are born to have sex and young when 2 gays adobt a child the child will almost certinaly become gay and it will spread (sorry if i made it sound like a disease)

BlackWolfdrk, homosexuality does not spread! You can't infect someone with gayness, or make someone gay. It's genetic.
You don't become gay from associating/living with gay people.

 

[craig]

Think properly my friend. Animals have 'gay sex' there is nothing more natural than pleasuring yourself/someone you love, regardless of sex.

The problem being if we all wanted man-loving (or woman-loving if you're female) the species would die out.

How ever you try to moralise being a homosexual it's wrong. It's one of many 'accidents' in nature and a reason why I think 'a-sexual' species such as slugs are the way to go.

BlackWolfdrk, homosexuality does not spread! You can't infect someone with gayness, or make someone gay. It's genetic.
You don't become gay from associating/living with gay people.

Just like I didn't develop a passion of photography (no pun intended) because my grandad was an avid photographer? or my love of art for the same reason? or again my love of mint-sauce for the same reason? or my love of spaghetti bolognese because my mum loves it? ... i think you get the point.

you are VERY MUCH conditioned by your surroundings.

 

[Letters]

Well that sort of depends on which way you swing... nature... or nurture... another stupid debate! :flame:

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Bah, people get so touchy on subjects like this don't they.....



You people have to think about it from everyones point of view.



I mean for goodness sake what would you think if you were homosexual and were not allowed to marry because of people saying "Its wrong" and "Your freaks of nature".

They can't help the way they feel. Its a cruel world allready. Why do you have to make it that little bit worse for some perfectly good people.






Anyway! I said I would post again tomorrow... So goodnight!

 

[Zeus]

My god, I never knew there were so many gays on Earth until now.

Marrage as God says, is my opinion. The bond between man and woman. Not man and man and woman and woman. I do not agree with gay marriges being allowed in the least bit. I have nothing against gays themselves like qckbeam, but I just don't think marrages between gays should be allowed. That's just my take on the situation. Feel free to not flame.

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

well i suppose i wouldnt mind to lesbians coming into my house and performing for me (sorry thats a little sexist)

 

[Dedalus]

i didn't notice any gay people posting here, mchammer is probably the most qualified to answer this since none of us are gay. sprafa how can you say what gay people find attractive in their partners? (not just picking on you mate, everyone else who's doing the same). you're not gay so you won't understand what it is to be gay. it seems to most of you that being gay is just two men or two women (!) getting naked and going at it. well for some yeah maybe, but not for all. do you think 50 year old gay couples go at it all day long? no, i think they just enjoy eachother's company. which is where you're falling down, because you're not putting yourself in their shoes.

there's also something called a common law marriage. that's where the two partners agree to be 'married' and become life partners without going through any legal or religious ceremony. i personally don't fancy getting married because women are financial parasites, but a common law marriage is a good idea for me, and it seems like a good idea for gay people because we're seeing more and more common law gay couples, and there's nothing you can do to stop it, so there.

will a kid that's grown up with gay parents become gay? well, my mate was brought up by straight parents, but he ended up gay too. it depends on the parents. personally i don't think any parent (gay or otherwise) would or should fill a child's mind with lies. it's the hope that gay couples that adopt children will allow their child to learn for themselves and give them a choice.

following from me not wanting to get married, i also don't want to have kids, because again like women they're also financial parasites. but if it happens it happens, but my ultimate choice is to not have children. and guess what, millions of couples around the world have made this very same decision. think about it. then of course you get the lowest common denominator couples who can't stop having kids, so think before you pass judgement on couples who choose not to have kids.

don't see what religion has to do with this either, not all gay people are christian or whatever. keep in mind, that human society goes through many changes, and this is one of them. we can either choose to keep it taboo and prolong it and turn it into the new racism, or we can learn from our mistakes and learn to live together, because gay people aren't going to go away.

 

[Letters]

My god, I never knew there were so many gays on Earth until now.

There aren't... this whole thing's just been sensationalized to Hell... which is prolly making even more people think they're homosexual... so maybe now there are... nevermind. :|

 

[craig]

Bah, people get so touchy on subjects like this don't they.....

You people have to think about it from everyones point of view.


I mean for goodness sake what would you think if you were homosexual and were not allowed to marry because of people saying "Its wrong" and "Your freaks of nature".

They can't help the way they feel. Its a cruel world allready. Why do you have to make it that little bit worse for some perfectly good people.

Anyway! I said I would post again tomorrow... So goodnight!

It all depends where you drawn the line on 'perfectly good people' though doesnt it?

Every generation things become more acceptable and eventually we'll all probably be pink clothed bi-sexuals called paúlo or something even more bizzare.

Religious views aside, being gay is wrong.

 

[Varg|Hund]

Marrage as God says, is my opinion. The bond between man and woman. Not man and man and woman and woman. I do not agree with gay marriges being allowed in the least bit. I have nothing against gays themselves like qckbeam, but I just don't think marrages between gays should be allowed. That's just my take on the situation. Feel free to not flame.

What about Non-Religous marriages then? Surely you can't mind homosexuals getting married that way?

 

[ductonius]

BlackWolfdrk, homosexuality does not spread! You can't infect someone with gayness, or make someone gay. It's genetic.
You don't become gay from associating/living with gay people.

#1: There is very little evidence to point to any one cause of homosexuality. The closest that we have come to understanding it SOME of the time is that in a small percentage of cases it is directly attributable to psychological trauma. Other than that, we really dont have a bloody clue.


#2: Certain bacteria and viruses have the ability to directly control thier hosts behavior to help them reproduce. A case in point is the virus that causes ants to crawl to the top of blades of grass every morning and evening so they will be eaten by cows so the virus reproduces in the cows intestine. Non-infected ants do not exhibit this behavior and immediatly exhibit it after being infected.

Other viruses change the behavior of snails and bees to do equally wierd things in order to speed the viruses reproduction.

It is therefore enterly possible for homosexuality to be attributable to a virus because viruses can create such large changes in behavior.

However, given that homosexuals also have great neurological differences when compared to normal males the period of vunerability to this virus would be during development, either in early, early childhood or pre-natal.

What that means is that even if it is a virus, it will have no effect on anyone who has the ability to read this message board. That is, you cannot become homosexual by becoming infected with a hypothetical virus later in life.

 

[Sprafa]

didn't notice any gay people posting here, mchammer is probably the most qualified to answer this since none of us are gay. sprafa how can you say what gay people find attractive in their partners? (not just picking on you mate, everyone else who's doing the same). you're not gay so you won't understand what it is to be gay. it seems to most of you that being gay is just two men or two women (!) getting naked and going at it. well for some yeah maybe, but not for all. do you think 50 year old gay couples go at it all day long? no, i think they just enjoy eachother's company. which is where you're falling down, because you're not putting yourself in their shoes.

Uhu. How da **** do you know if I haven't got any homo tendencies?
I actually did had some 1 year ago. Most ppl od but just don't admit it.

Anyway, my opinion is forged.
The Greeks were the ones smart on ths. You get married with another woman, but you can **** your neigbhor all day. Thats the best life.

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

oooohhh in depth

 

[craig]

And of course if it is a virus that causes homosexuality and a cure is created the current generation of gays will insist on it being banned no doubt.

A better poll would be

If homosexuality could be cured, would you be okay with that?

Yes.

No.


This current poll is pointless, because everyone has their own views and wont be changing them any time soon I dare say.

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

yes (hmmm what else can i put to fill the ten character limit)