Sanitizing Hollywood, one DVD at a time

[gh0st]

If its illegal they'd be forced to stop. Just because some fat cat in hollywood thinks its illegal doesnt mean it is. Nor does trading lawsuits mean anything.

 

[CptStern]

sigh ...read the article:


"s it happens, the Directors Guild of America and a group of movie sanitizing companies have traded lawsuits over the issue. An affiliate of Lines's CleanFlicks Media started the legal crossfire in late 2002 when it went to court seeking a declaration that its practices were legal; for maximum publicity it sued 16 prominent directors, including Robert Altman, Robert Redford, Martin Scorsese, Steven Soderbergh and Spielberg. The DGA shot back, charging CleanFlicks and several other film sanitizers with copyright violations."

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Well if they are breaking the trade laws in doing this they'll get sued, and according to the article they have been and the they are awaiting court results. If they are doing this without permission they'll be forced to stop making profits off of other people's work by renting without permission (however the rental laws work. they sound quirky).

I don't really care what people do to their own stuff though, the one that should be protected was that ClearPlay company mentioned in the article, as (I understood it as) they are just selling some DVD Software to allow owners to make changes to their own purchased copies.

edit: Also how come this in politics?

 

[gh0st]

sigh ...read the article:


"s it happens, the Directors Guild of America and a group of movie sanitizing companies have traded lawsuits over the issue. An affiliate of Lines's CleanFlicks Media started the legal crossfire in late 2002 when it went to court seeking a declaration that its practices were legal; for maximum publicity it sued 16 prominent directors, including Robert Altman, Robert Redford, Martin Scorsese, Steven Soderbergh and Spielberg. The DGA shot back, charging CleanFlicks and several other film sanitizers with copyright violations."

Show me, in your own quote, where what they are doing is deemed illegal.

It seems in your definition, if I sued you for something, automatically it would be illegal. All your quote says is that theres legal conflict. All it says is that cleanflicks sued a bunch of people, and was sued in turn. Notice in large font, the word CHARGED. Maybe in Canadia you are guilty before due process but not in this great nation.

So NO it isnt illegal, and NO, you arent correct.

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: you never tire of beating a word to death do you?

technically they ARE breaking the law:

from the FBI Warning:

"The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to five years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000."

they have to reproduce the film in order to edit it


also this is why nothing is done about it:

"Directors have received only tepid support from Hollywood studios in the fight against the sanitizers. (The studios own the copyrights on the films they release.) Some sources speculate that this is because the market for sanitized films is still small, and that the studios could control it if they marketed their own "officially" sanitized versions, like those now shown on airlines or on broadcast TV."


you know, reading the article on page one would have saved me from copying segments of it in every other post I've made in this thread. Try to do the rudimentary leg work before you jump in half-cocked, full of piss and vinager, foaming at the mouth etc

 

[GhostFox]

technically they ARE breaking the law

I agree, but I still don't understand how a minor civil matter is connected to fundementalist religious groups.

 

[T.H.C.138]

nevermind

:cheers:

F**K the FCC and all of its kind!!!

 

[gh0st]

"Directors have received only tepid support from Hollywood studios in the fight against the sanitizers. (The studios own the copyrights on the films they release.) Some sources speculate that this is because the market for sanitized films is still small, and that the studios could control it if they marketed their own "officially" sanitized versions, like those now shown on airlines or on broadcast TV."

Technically your right, but in the real world sense youre wrong. The fact that these studios arent pursuing legal action against them makes it ok, doesnt it? Newsflash: its only IP infringement if the other party gives a rats ass. If I come up to you and punch you in the face, yet you dont press charges, doesnt that make it ok?

 

[Pogrom]

Technically your right, but in the real world sense youre wrong. The fact that these studios arent pursuing legal action against them makes it ok, doesnt it? Newsflash: its only IP infringement if the other party gives a rats ass. If I come up to you and punch you in the face, yet you dont press charges, doesnt that make it ok?

Stop arguing semantics. The point is less about the dubious legality of creating these sanitised versions. It is more about the implications sanitising has on the media. These people have no right to make these sanitised versions. And the onus is not upon the Directors/Studios to create sanitised versions either.

Suppose you made a FPS similar to HL2. Turns out to be a best seller, you get it distributed through a publisher, who owns the IP rights.

And then you find people are buying a different version of the game. A version that only has the puzzle and story elements without any actual combat. Would you be upset that the vision you created has been mutilated without your permission? But the publisher is not suing for IP infringement - so that makes it ok, right?

If people want to watch sanitised movies - THEN GO MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN MOVIE! Don't piss and moan because the popular movies are too violent/sexual/vulgar for you.

 

[Sparta]

Lord thats stupid. If theres violence or sex or nudity or something like that in the movie just dont watch it you morons. Why is it that this stuff always happens in America?

 

[el Chi]

Altering a filmmaker's artistic vision is WRONG, even in the name of cleanliness.

Seriously, people, imagine a movie like American History X censored to that extreme? Other than being ten minutes long, it would completely miss the point.

Even war movies, like Saving Private Ryan or We Were Soldiers would lose their gravity because with gore taken out it makes it feel a lot less serious, distressing, and real, which undermines the anti-war message of these movies.

I agree that sometimes "offensive" material in films is justified, if not necessary. Also, the idea of tearing certain works of art up to suit someone's over-sensitive tastes seems tantamount to painting a frumpy, high-necked shin-length dress over Boticelli's The Birth of Venus.

On the other hand: F*ck 'em. If they want to do this, as long as it has no influence on the editors in the film industry, then let them mutilate works of art as long as it does not affect me. They're only depriving themselves.

 

[Kangy]

It's a free market. If nut-jobs want to have half an experience, let them. If they don't, they buy their films at practically every other film store in the nation.

 

[Foxtrot]

Lord thats stupid. If theres violence or sex or nudity or something like that in the movie just dont watch it you morons. Why is it that this stuff always happens in America?

The problem is that if they do want to watch the movie or somthing similar there are no alternatives. Like Titanic, some people don't want their children seeing her hot breasts, so they would edit that part out, is that not OK?

 

[CptStern]

...but the scene with hundreds of corpses floating in the water is appropriate for children?

 

[Pogrom]

The problem is that if they do want to watch the movie or somthing similar there are no alternatives. Like Titanic, some people don't want their children seeing her hot breasts, so they would edit that part out, is that not OK?

There are always alternatives. In fact, a system already exists whereby studios censor their own films. It's called the rating classification system.

It works like this: If I or my family want to watch a movie that doesn't have any violence, nudity or swearing in it - I watch a G-Rated film. If I'm feeling a bit naughty I'll watch a PG-Rated film.

There are plenty of films out there that cater to this audience, without IP copyright being infringed upon.

 

[Absinthe]

...but the scene with hundreds of corpses floating in the water is appropriate for children?

Good point, indeed.

If you're offended by a teat or a firefight, I suggest a few things. Either:

1) Toughen up.
2) Watch something else.

 

[CptStern]

I prefer teats :E

 

[Foxtrot]

...but the scene with hundreds of corpses floating in the water is appropriate for children?

Don't ask me what is appropriate or not, I don't watch censored movies.

There are always alternatives. In fact, a system already exists whereby studios censor their own films. It's called the rating classification system.

It works like this: If I or my family want to watch a movie that doesn't have any violence, nudity or swearing in it - I watch a G-Rated film. If I'm feeling a bit naughty I'll watch a PG-Rated film.

There are plenty of films out there that cater to this audience, without IP copyright being infringed upon.

Name 50 good movies that are G or PG. It is hard to find WW2 movies that are appropriate for school, or whateve those mormons want to do.

 

[CptStern]

Don't ask me what is appropriate or not, I don't watch censored movies.

then why would you post this?

"some people don't want their children seeing her hot breasts, so they would edit that part out, is that not OK?"

Name 50 good movies that are G or PG. It is hard to find WW2 movies that are appropriate for school, or whateve those mormons want to do.

1. CITIZEN KANE (1941)

2. CASABLANCA (1942)



4. GONE WITH THE WIND (1939)

5. LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962)

6. THE WIZARD OF OZ (1939)

7. THE GRADUATE (1967)

8. ON THE WATERFRONT (1954)



10. SINGIN' IN THE RAIN (1952)

11. IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946)

12. SUNSET BOULEVARD (1950)

13. THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (1957)

14. SOME LIKE IT HOT (1959)

15. STAR WARS (1977)

16. ALL ABOUT EVE (1950)

17. THE AFRICAN QUEEN (1951)





20. ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST (1975)

21. THE GRAPES OF WRATH (1940)

22. 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY (1968)

23. THE MALTESE FALCON (1941)



25. E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL (1982)

26. DR. STRANGELOVE (1964)





29. MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON (1939)

30. THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE (1948)

31. ANNIE HALL (1977)



33. HIGH NOON (1952)

34. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (1962)

35. IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)



37. THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (1946)

38. DOUBLE INDEMNITY (1944)

39. DOCTOR ZHIVAGO (1965)

40. NORTH BY NORTHWEST (1959)

41. WEST SIDE STORY (1961)

42. REAR WINDOW (1954)

43. KING KONG (1933)

44. THE BIRTH OF A NATION (1915)

45. A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE (1951)







49. SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937)

50. BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (1969)

51. THE PHILADELPHIA STORY (1940)

52. FROM HERE TO ETERNITY (1953)

53. AMADEUS (1984)

54. ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930)

55. THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965)



57. THE THIRD MAN (1949)

58. FANTASIA (1940)

59. REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE (1955)



61. VERTIGO (1958)

62. TOOTSIE (1982)

63. STAGECOACH (1939)

64. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977)



66. NETWORK (1976)

67. THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE (1962)

68. AN AMERICAN IN PARIS (1951)

69. SHANE (1953)



71. FORREST GUMP (1994)

72. BEN-HUR (1959)

73. WUTHERING HEIGHTS (1939)

74. THE GOLD RUSH (1925)



76. CITY LIGHTS (1931)



78. ROCKY (1976)



80. THE WILD BUNCH (1969)

81. MODERN TIMES (1936)

82. GIANT (1956)





85. DUCK SOUP (1933)

86. MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (1935)

87. FRANKENSTEIN (1931)



89. PATTON (1970)

90. THE JAZZ SINGER (1927)

91. MY FAIR LADY (1964)

92. A PLACE IN THE SUN (1951)

93. THE APARTMENT (1960)





96. THE SEARCHERS (1956)

97. BRINGING UP BABY (1938)



99. GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER (1967)

100. YANKEE DOODLE DANDY (1942)



the blank areas are where I edited out the inappropriate ones ..there's more than 50 ..all classics, all great films

 

[kirovman]

Hollywood's sending people to jail in China now

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-04/19/content_435639.htm

Careful, potential pirates.

Edit: I just remembered this thread's not about DVD piracy is it? Oh well.

 

[el Chi]

DAMMIT STERN! You forgot Breakfast at Tiffany's!
And Predat- Oh no wait...

 

[CptStern]

that movie was ruined for me by that crappy song "breakfast at tiffanys" ...they should be boiled in lead for that!

 

[el Chi]

that movie was ruined for me by that crappy song "breakfast at tiffanys" ...they should be boiled in lead for that!

Pffft, being boiled in lead isn't nearly horrible enough. Great film though. I love Audrey Hepburn - she's awesome.

 

[CptStern]

Audrey Hepburn is freakin hot ...well back then she was ...now she's all skeletal

 

[Foxtrot]

then why would you post this?

"some people don't want their children seeing her hot breasts, so they would edit that part out, is that not OK?"





1. CITIZEN KANE (1941)

2. CASABLANCA (1942)



4. GONE WITH THE WIND (1939)

5. LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962)

6. THE WIZARD OF OZ (1939)

7. THE GRADUATE (1967)

8. ON THE WATERFRONT (1954)



10. SINGIN' IN THE RAIN (1952)

11. IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946)

12. SUNSET BOULEVARD (1950)

13. THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (1957)

14. SOME LIKE IT HOT (1959)

15. STAR WARS (1977)

16. ALL ABOUT EVE (1950)

17. THE AFRICAN QUEEN (1951)





20. ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST (1975)

21. THE GRAPES OF WRATH (1940)

22. 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY (1968)

23. THE MALTESE FALCON (1941)



25. E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL (1982)

26. DR. STRANGELOVE (1964)





29. MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON (1939)

30. THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE (1948)

31. ANNIE HALL (1977)



33. HIGH NOON (1952)

34. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (1962)

35. IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)



37. THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (1946)

38. DOUBLE INDEMNITY (1944)

39. DOCTOR ZHIVAGO (1965)

40. NORTH BY NORTHWEST (1959)

41. WEST SIDE STORY (1961)

42. REAR WINDOW (1954)

43. KING KONG (1933)

44. THE BIRTH OF A NATION (1915)

45. A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE (1951)







49. SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937)

50. BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (1969)

51. THE PHILADELPHIA STORY (1940)

52. FROM HERE TO ETERNITY (1953)

53. AMADEUS (1984)

54. ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930)

55. THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965)



57. THE THIRD MAN (1949)

58. FANTASIA (1940)

59. REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE (1955)



61. VERTIGO (1958)

62. TOOTSIE (1982)

63. STAGECOACH (1939)

64. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977)



66. NETWORK (1976)

67. THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE (1962)

68. AN AMERICAN IN PARIS (1951)

69. SHANE (1953)



71. FORREST GUMP (1994)

72. BEN-HUR (1959)

73. WUTHERING HEIGHTS (1939)

74. THE GOLD RUSH (1925)



76. CITY LIGHTS (1931)



78. ROCKY (1976)



80. THE WILD BUNCH (1969)

81. MODERN TIMES (1936)

82. GIANT (1956)





85. DUCK SOUP (1933)

86. MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (1935)

87. FRANKENSTEIN (1931)



89. PATTON (1970)

90. THE JAZZ SINGER (1927)

91. MY FAIR LADY (1964)

92. A PLACE IN THE SUN (1951)

93. THE APARTMENT (1960)





96. THE SEARCHERS (1956)

97. BRINGING UP BABY (1938)



99. GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER (1967)

100. YANKEE DOODLE DANDY (1942)



the blank areas are where I edited out the inappropriate ones ..there's more than 50 ..all classics, all great films

Hah, not a single movie made in the 1990s+? Forest Gump has nudity in violence, and Patton has violence and cussing in it. I also think Amadeus has violence in it but I am not sure. Most people would be insanley bored with those movies, they are all quite old.

 

[kirovman]

DAMMIT STERN! You forgot Breakfast at Tiffany's!
And Predat- Oh no wait...

What's the matter? CIA got you pushing too many pencils?

Ok, I'll stop, that's thrice I've done that to you now.

 

[Lemonking]

Altering a filmmaker's artistic vision is WRONG, even in the name of cleanliness.

Seriously, people, imagine a movie like American History X censored to that extreme? Other than being ten minutes long, it would completely miss the point.

Even war movies, like Saving Private Ryan or We Were Soldiers would lose their gravity because with gore taken out it makes it feel a lot less serious, distressing, and real, which undermines the anti-war message of these movies.

Please dont put "We where Soldiers" next to Saving "Private Ryan" unlike Private Ryan "We where Soldiers" gloryfies War imo

this again proves that relgion is poisen to the mind :bonce:

 

[Foxtrot]

Please dont put "We where Soldiers" next to Saving "Private Ryan" unlike Private Ryan "We where Soldiers" gloryfies War imo

this again proves that relgion is poisen to the mind :bonce:

We Were Soldier did not glorify war, maybe it made some points about war and soldiers (soldiers not being victems or somthing like that) but it wasn't glorifying it.

 

[CptStern]

Hah, not a single movie made in the 1990s+? Forest Gump has nudity in violence, and Patton has violence and cussing in it. I also think Amadeus has violence in it but I am not sure. Most people would be insanley bored with those movies, they are all quite old.

:upstare: yes but most people are stupid. If you get bored with any of those movies it's because you're either suffering from ADD or you're a philistine

oh and those movies are pre 1990 because it's a list of the best movies of all time ...which should pretty much explain why there are no post 1990 movies in the list

 

[Bodacious]

Best movies of all time according to who?

That is subjective. I seriously doubt the average 18 year old boy or girl even knows what majority of those movies are, let alone consider them the greatest movies of all time.

Yay for generalizations.

 

[jondy]

Best movies of all time according to who?

That is subjective. I seriously doubt the average 18 year old boy or girl even knows what majority of those movies are, let alone consider them the greatest movies of all time.

Yay for generalizations.

That's really not the point at all. The point is, it's like priests knocking of statues genitalia. Artwork shouldn't have to be compromised to appeal to a wider audience. Age ratings are there for a reason.

 

[Bodacious]

That's really not the point at all. The point is, it's like priests knocking of statues genitalia. Artwork shouldn't have to be compromised to appeal to a wider audience. Age ratings are there for a reason.

What are you talking about? I don't care about this sanitization crap.

My point is saying people are "either suffering from ADD or you're a philistine" for being bored witht he majority of that list stern posted is a ludacris statement.

Come to think of it, I don't expect much more then that from stern.

 

[CptStern]

Best movies of all time according to who?

That is subjective. I seriously doubt the average 18 year old boy or girl even knows what majority of those movies are, let alone consider them the greatest movies of all time.

Yay for generalizations.

:upstare: AFI, American Film Institute

What are you talking about? I don't care about this sanitization crap.

My point is saying people are "either suffering from ADD or you're a philistine" for being bored witht he majority of that list stern posted is a ludacris statement.

Come to think of it, I don't expect much more then that from stern.

blahblahblah

anyways, you have no business judging film if you havent seen the majority of those films ..it's like saying I can critique works of art by the masters even though the only work of "art" I've been exposed to, I won at the local carnival playing Bean Toss

 

[el Chi]

Audrey Hepburn is freakin hot ...well back then she was ...now she's all skeletal

I dunno, I think she was beyond hot; genuinely beautiful. If you see what I mean?
But yeah, now... Well, whatever floats your grave-robbing boat.

What's the matter? CIA got you pushing too many pencils?

Ok, I'll stop, that's thrice I've done that to you now.

You son of a bitch! Yay!

Best movies of all time according to who?

That is subjective. I seriously doubt the average 18 year old boy or girl even knows what majority of those movies are, let alone consider them the greatest movies of all time.

Yay for generalizations.

Stop it Bodacious, now you're just being contrary for the sheer hell of it. Whether he's produced a generalised list or not isn't the point and you know that. The point is that there are many many great films out there that don't need to be censored.

And as your above post just proved, once again you're just out for a squabble. Real mature Bodacious.

 

[Foxtrot]

That's really not the point at all. The point is, it's like priests knocking of statues genitalia. Artwork shouldn't have to be compromised to appeal to a wider audience. Age ratings are there for a reason.

That is different though, there is plently of appropriate art.

 

[Bodacious]

And as your above post just proved, once again you're just out for a squabble. Real mature Bodacious.

No shit Captain Obvious.

Like I care if you think I am mature or not.

 

[el Chi]

No shit Captain Obvious.

Like I care if you think I am mature or not.

It's nice that you're at least consistent in your tone.
Course you don't care. Nor do I, really. Except I will say that it's nigh-on impossible to take any argument you put forward at all seriously.
Again, you probably don't care; which only serves to reinforce your debating skills further, you whizzkid, you.

 

[kmack]

No shit Captain Obvious.

Like I care if you think I am mature or not.

this just in!

you are not.

 

[diluted]

If people want to watch sanitised movies - THEN GO MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN MOVIE! Don't piss and moan because the popular movies are too violent/sexual/vulgar for you.

I totally agree. If you're too much of a pussy to watch movies with sex, violence and vulgarity, then don't ****ing watch it, go rent Little House on the Prarie DVDs if you want something "clean and wholesome".

 

[Foxtrot]

I totally agree. If you're too much of a pussy to watch movies with sex, violence and vulgarity, then don't ****ing watch it, go rent Little House on the Prarie DVDs if you want something "clean and wholesome".

That is the problem though, why should they be restricted to just little house on the prarie just because Hollywood isn't making movies that their religion/beliefs see as appropriate?