Sanitizing Hollywood, one DVD at a time

[CptStern]

let them make their own movies:

"Titanic ...the dry dock years"

"Saving Private Ryans ..Soul"

"The good the bad and the sinful"

"I was a teenage Sinner"

"Forgive Bill Volume IIXXXVII"

"Casablanca Redux (now featuring 100% less frenchies)

 

[Foxtrot]

let them make their own movies:

"Titanic ...the dry dock years"

"Saving Private Ryans ..Soul"

"The good the bad and the sinful"

"I was a teenage Sinner"

"Forgive Bill Volume IIXXXVII"

"Casablanca Redux (now featuring 100% less frenchies)

Woa, those sound like my kinds of movies! But what about pornos? Mormons need porn too.

 

[Bodacious]

which only serves to reinforce your debating skills further, you whizzkid, you.

Debating skills?

You really think I care what a group of liberals think about my debating skills? Seeing as how I am fairly right wing, I would think any opionion a liberal would have of me would be negative.

Get an objective viewpoint, then I'll worry about what you think about my "skills."

 

[Korgoth]

hahaha thats classic, your requesting others get a quote un quote objective viewpoint! Thats the second funniest thing i've read all day.

 

[Bodacious]

hahaha thats classic, your requesting others get a quote un quote objective viewpoint! Thats the second funniest thing i've read all day.

Not requesting an objective viewpoint at all; sarcasm rather, a perverbial punch in the nut-sack. There is no way any of you would have an ounce of objectiveism, ever.

I like an Anne Coulter quote, "[Liberals]are people who believe...you can deliver a baby entirely except for the head, puncture the skull, suck the brains out and pronounce that a constitutional right has been exercised. That really says it all. You don't want such people to like you!"

Don't you have a PESTS ( Post Election Stress and Trauma Syndrome)meeting to go to?

 

[MjM]

Sounds like a load of bullshit to me. If people cant face shit they see in a movie, then so be it, supply and demand, but i pitty their immature small minded selves.

 

[Pogrom]

Name 50 good movies that are G or PG. It is hard to find WW2 movies that are appropriate for school, or whateve those mormons want to do.

I believe Stern took care of that for me. Thanks mate! :cheers:

That is the problem though, why should they be restricted to just little house on the prarie just because Hollywood isn't making movies that their religion/beliefs see as appropriate?

Now - it all depends on what you think are 'good' movies. And I submit that if you only like movies that are not G or PG and have been released post-1990 then you will not like sanitisied versions of modern movies.

Think about it - there was less violence/sexuality/vulgarity in movies in the past. But many movies of the present day rely upon the above to be entertaining. It is the rare modern movie that can manage to be entertaining, engrossing and moving simply through the use of drama.

You say that classic movies are not as good to you as modern movies. But why are modern movies better? Because of the sex, violence and vulgarity. Take that out of modern movies and you are left with a movie that can barely compare to the greats of bygone eras.

And if we go down that road, eventually we will end up with a WW2 movie that feels like an episode of Little House on the Prairie.

 

[el Chi]

You really think I care what a group of liberals think about my debating skills? Seeing as how I am fairly right wing, I would think any opionion a liberal would have of me would be negative.
Get an objective viewpoint, then I'll worry about what you think about my "skills."

Like I said - no of course you don't care. So why do you keep bothering to post and argue? To exercise your vast ego? To preach to people who you think are liberal scum? Certainly it's not to take an interest in the views of others; I honestly don't understand your train of thought.

The thing is, whilst I never seem to agree with you, I do recognise an intelligible nature to some of your posts, which is why your frequent childish outbursts often surprise me. But then I really shouldn't expect anything less; the main reason you came to these forums inthe first place, it seems, is to pick petty squabbles with people you even vaguely disagree with for the sheer hell of it.

 

[Foxtrot]

Now - it all depends on what you think are 'good' movies. And I submit that if you only like movies that are not G or PG and have been released post-1990 then you will not like sanitisied versions of modern movies.

Think about it - there was less violence/sexuality/vulgarity in movies in the past. But many movies of the present day rely upon the above to be entertaining. It is the rare modern movie that can manage to be entertaining, engrossing and moving simply through the use of drama.

You say that classic movies are not as good to you as modern movies. But why are modern movies better? Because of the sex, violence and vulgarity. Take that out of modern movies and you are left with a movie that can barely compare to the greats of bygone eras.

And if we go down that road, eventually we will end up with a WW2 movie that feels like an episode of Little House on the Prairie.

Movies today can still be good without gore and nudity, take a look at Forest Gump. Remove just a couple scenes and it is clean and 99% of the movie is still there, and no plot is missing. There are lots of movies like this, just one or two scenes that could be toned down and the movie would be acceptable.

 

[MjM]

Is it not ironic that the proponents of such 'sanitizing', are condoning the rape of art? I think so.

 

[CptStern]

Movies today can still be good without gore and nudity, take a look at Forest Gump. Remove just a couple scenes and it is clean and 99% of the movie is still there, and no plot is missing. There are lots of movies like this, just one or two scenes that could be toned down and the movie would be acceptable.

which scenes?

how about the scene during the war where 2 of forrest's fellow soldiers are incinirated by an explosion? That particular device was used to draw a juxtaposition between the innocence of Forrest with the horrible reality of the war around him ...cut that scene and it doesnt have as much resonance. It loses it's suspension of disbelief as it is the only event that is grounding the scene in reality. What about the death of Bubba? What about the scene were Forrest pummels Jenny's boyfriend who's about to rape her? What about the scene with Lieutenant Dan mangled legs? They were all pivotal to Forrest's development as a person


oh and Bodacious ...maybe you should take some time away from the forums, there's nothing but hate coming out of your posts lately. Quoting Coulter in reference to some of the people here is not only unwarrented but it also speaks volumes about your personality. Coulter's brand of fanaticsim is usually only reserved for those that would murder doctors who perform abortions, or who partake in gay bashing ..she's no different than the grand vizier of the kkk ..only prettier in a sick disturbing way. Having said that, I wouldnt quite put you in her catagory so I'm a little surprised you'd use such a hateful twisted statement by that harpy Coulter


Pogrom: np :thumbs:

 

[jondy]

I dunno Stern, I find Coulter utterly unattractive

 

[Bodacious]

oh and Bodacious ...maybe you should take some time away from the forums, there's nothing but hate coming out of your posts lately. Quoting Coulter in reference to some of the people here is not only unwarrented but it also speaks volumes about your personality. Coulter's brand of fanaticsim is usually only reserved for those that would murder doctors who perform abortions, or who partake in gay bashing ..she's no different than the grand vizier of the kkk ..only prettier in a sick disturbing way. Having said that, I wouldnt quite put you in her catagory so I'm a little surprised you'd use such a hateful twisted statement by that harpy Coulter

LOL!

...

 

[CptStern]

I dunno Stern, I find Coulter utterly unattractive

so do I, but I can see how some people might find her attractive ..she looks like a poster girl for the Arayan Nation IMHO


Bodacious: I'd appreciate a more thought-provoking response than the "lol" you just posted

 

[Absinthe]

Bodacious: I'd appreciate a more thought-provoking response than the "lol" you just posted

Why? The most you'll get is some toxic bile or his trademarked "I don't care what you think, ****ing dirty liberal scum. Go ahead and report me".

 

[CptStern]

Why? The most you'll get is some toxic bile or his trademarked "I don't care what you think, ****ing dirty liberal scum. Go ahead and report me".

true ..but I'm an optomist

notice his sig:

"The following is a joke and saitire, because I say so:
All liberals or anyone with a left of center viewpoint, especially, cpt.stern should be tortured and brutally murdered, just because I disagree with them, LOL! "


taking things far too personally

 

[Bodacious]

I love pasting this thing in here.

 

[Foxtrot]

which scenes?

how about the scene during the war where 2 of forrest's fellow soldiers are incinirated by an explosion? That particular device was used to draw a juxtaposition between the innocence of Forrest with the horrible reality of the war around him ...cut that scene and it doesnt have as much resonance. It loses it's suspension of disbelief as it is the only event that is grounding the scene in reality. What about the death of Bubba? What about the scene were Forrest pummels Jenny's boyfriend who's about to rape her? What about the scene with Lieutenant Dan mangled legs? They were all pivotal to Forrest's development as a person

Using that scene as an example, it could have easily been done without gore. They don't need the gore, they just need the end result.

 

[CptStern]

Using that scene as an example, it could have easily been done without gore. They don't need the gore, they just need the end result.

you missed my point entirely

 

[Foxtrot]

you missed my point entirely

No I didn't, you just think it is impossible to convey that message to people without body parts flying all over.

 

[Korgoth]

Not requesting an objective viewpoint at all; sarcasm rather, a perverbial punch in the nut-sack. There is no way any of you would have an ounce of objectiveism, ever.

I like an Anne Coulter quote, "[Liberals]are people who believe...you can deliver a baby entirely except for the head, puncture the skull, suck the brains out and pronounce that a constitutional right has been exercised. That really says it all. You don't want such people to like you!"

Don't you have a PESTS ( Post Election Stress and Trauma Syndrome)meeting to go to?

I enjoy this response...
You know, if we removed a couple of choice words from his post, it would be clean, enjoyable, and 99% of the plot would still be there.

And for the record Bodacious, partial birth abortion sickens me, it is NOT a constitutional right in my opinion. Abortion on the whole I am very indifferent about. I won't speak for either side of the subject because I have witnessed neither side of it.

That littles PESTS thing was cute, did you make that up on your own, or did you pull that straight off of Anne's website?


PS. "The following is a joke and saitire, because I say so: Bodacious or anyone who agrees with his viewpoint, but mainly Bodacious should be tickled and hugged repeatedly, just because I disagree with him, ROFL! "

 

[CptStern]

I enjoy this response...
You know, if we removed a couple of choice words from his post, it would be clean, enjoyable, and 99% of the plot would still be there.


That littles PESTS thing was cute, did you make that up on your own, or did you pull that straight off of Anne's website?


PS. "The following is a joke and saitire, because I say so: Bodacious or anyone who agrees with his viewpoint, but mainly Bodacious should be tickled and hugged repeatedly, just because I disagree with him, ROFL! "

that was knee-slappingly funny :thumbs:

 

[CptStern]

No I didn't, you just think it is impossible to convey that message to people without body parts flying all over.

you missed my point entirely:

That particular device was used to draw a juxtaposition between the innocence of Forrest with the horrible reality of the war around him ...cut that scene and it doesnt have as much resonance. It loses it's suspension of disbelief as it is the only event that is grounding the scene in reality.

 

[Bodacious]

PESTS is a real disorder.

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20444/

The symptoms vary region to region and person to person, but the general diagnosis is the same: severe disorientation, melancholy, a need to be around like-minded others and a lingering fear that the country is going to hell in a handbasket.

 

[Foxtrot]

you missed my point entirely:

No, you missed my point entirely. The scene could be done without gore.

 

[Korgoth]

I wub you bodie buddy!!!


*hugs*

/me hugs bodacious

 

[CptStern]

that article is tongue in cheek ..there is no such thing. It's the right's attempt at discrediting the sane with insanity

 

[CptStern]

No, you missed my point entirely. The scene could be done without gore.

"That particular device was used to draw a juxtaposition between the innocence of Forrest with the horrible reality of the war around him ...cut that scene and it doesnt have as much resonance. It loses it's suspension of disbelief as it is the only event that is grounding the scene in reality"



translation: "blown up dudes were shown so that forrest wont look as if he is not real ..if you take out ugly brutality Forrests attempt to save his friends becomes meaningless"

 

[Foxtrot]

"That particular device was used to draw a juxtaposition between the innocence of Forrest with the horrible reality of the war around him ...cut that scene and it doesnt have as much resonance. It loses it's suspension of disbelief as it is the only event that is grounding the scene in reality"



translation: "blown up dudes were shown so that forrest wont look as if he is not real ..if you take out ugly brutality Forrests attempt to save his friends becomes meaningless"

Obviously you either just not trying to understand what I am saying or you are not able to understand what I am saying. He can only save his friends and make it have meaning if there are body parts flying around? Why can't human emotion replace the gore?

 

[CptStern]

Obviously you either just not trying to understand what I am saying or you are not able to understand what I am saying. He can only save his friends and make it have meaning if there are body parts flying around? Why can't human emotion replace the gore?

the particular scene doesnt have gore, just an explosion and dead soldiers ..the emotions still doesnt convey the gravity of the situation. Take out the scene and the movie is emotionally stunted

 

[Foxtrot]

the particular scene doesnt have gore, just an explosion and dead soldiers ..the emotions still doesnt convey the gravity of the situation. Take out the scene and the movie is emotionally stunted

The scene does not have to be taken out entirely it can just be modified.

 

[CptStern]

but who gives them the right to selectively edit someone elses work? It's not their work, they have no right to tamper with it.

it's no different than the prudes who put a fig leaf on Michelangelo's statue of David

 

[Foxtrot]

but who gives them the right to selectively edit someone elses work? It's not their work, they have no right to tamper with it.

it's no different than the prudes who a fig leaf on Michelangelo's statue of David

If it is being argued in court then we will see what happens.

 

[ComradeBadger]

but who gives them the right to selectively edit someone elses work? It's not their work, they have no right to tamper with it.

it's no different than the prudes who a fig leaf on Michelangelo's statue of David

Agreed.

 

[CptStern]

it doesnt matter ...doesnt change the fact that these self-proclaimed "purveyors of decency" are hacking up other people's work ...I couldnt think of a group who would be less qualified than them

 

[Foxtrot]

it doesnt matter ...doesnt change the fact that these self-proclaimed "purveyors of decency" are hacking up other people's work ...I couldnt think of a group who would be less qualified than them

I don't think what the group I have seen do is OK, but what makes them the least qualified group of people to censor films for people with similar beliefs?

 

[CptStern]

I don't think what the group I have seen do is OK, but what makes them the least qualified group of people to censor films for people with similar beliefs?

because they are editing content based on personal preference. Because they are not the people who had the original vision. because they were not involved in the creative process, because they are NOT filmakers ..BECAUSE THEY DONT OWN THE IP (intellectual property)

..it's like giving a 2 year old a paintbrush and asking him to "fix" the Mona Lisa

 

[Direwolf]

While I hardly think this is all that big news (wackos doing wacky things), I have to side with artistic integrity.

We're not talking about slasher flicks here. We're talking about artful movies. Not only is this sort of thing morally questionable (I know better what your movie should be like than you do), but its also just artisticly despicable. Movie makers would hardly find it worthwhile to express themselves if they thought their work was just going to be cut up.

No one can argue that every body or nipple in every movie is necessary to the film. However, no one can also argue that other people should be allowed to decide which instances are appropriate and important to the movie, and which are gratuitous. No two people are going to agree on that sort of thing, so we should just leave it be.

 

[Bodacious]

that article is tongue in cheek ..there is no such thing. It's the right's attempt at discrediting the sane with insanity

How many links would you like?

http://www.stressdoc.com/post_contenders.htm
http://lesbianlife.about.com/b/a/127122.htm
http://minnesotaliberal.blogspot.com/2004/11/post-election-stress-disorder.html
http://www.democrats.com/node/169
http://www.gcc.edu/news/faculty/editorials/throck_11_23_04_postelectionstress.htm


If you don't read those, read this one:

http://www.bocaratonnews.com/index.php?src=news&category=Local News&prid=10210

If PESTS isn't real, why are they so upset Limbaugh made fun of it?

More:

http://www.theimpactonline.com/news/2004/12/10/NoLimits/Election.Pains.Some-827707.shtml
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=224433&page=2
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/reinstein/3914134/detail.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Election_Selection_Trauma

 

[CptStern]

I couldnt care less what a bunch of whiney right wing crazies say ..until it's recognised by the American Medical association ...I say "POPPYCOCKS"