Scientists: US is doomed...

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...if someone like Huckabee gets into power:

US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists
A day after ordained Baptist minister Mike Huckabee finished first in the opening round to choose a Republican candidate for the White House, scientists warned Americans against electing a leader who doubts evolution.

"The logic that convinces us that evolution is a fact is the same logic we use to say smoking is hazardous to your health or we have serious energy policy issues because of global warming," University of Michigan professor Gilbert Omenn told reporters at the launch of a book on evolution by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

"I would worry that a president who didn't believe in the evolution arguments wouldn't believe in those other arguments either. This is a way of leading our country to ruin," added Omenn, who was part of a panel of experts at the launch of "Science, Evolution and Creationism."

Former Arkansas governor Huckabee said in a debate in May that he did not believe in evolution.

A poll conducted last year showed that 53 percent of Americans do believe that humans developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life -- the theory of evolution -- while 47 percent do not.

Some of those polled said they believed in both evolution and the opposing theory of creationism -- the belief that God created mankind at a single point in time.

The evolution versus creationism debate has crept into American schools and politics, where it is mainly conservative Republicans who espouse the non-scientific belief.

In 2004, a Pennsylvania school district found itself at the center of a national storm after its education board voted to require that a statement on creationism be read to students when they began learning about evolution in science class.

The school board was ousted the following year.

"Science, Evolution and Creationism" targets the general public and teachers, and presents in simple terms the current scientific understanding of evolution and the importance of teaching it in the science classroom.

A day after his win in Iowa, Huckabee toned down his anti-evolution stance, saying in a television interview that the question of whether to teach creationism in schools was "not an issue for our president."

US President George W. Bush has said he supports teaching "intelligent design" creationism to American students, to present youngsters with differing schools of thought.

Intelligent design is a theory advocated by conservative Christian groups and some scientists in the United States, which says that complex biological organisms cannot be explained by evolutionary chance alone and must be the work of an intelligent designer -- namely God.

Omenn and the other panel members at the book launch said categorically that creationism should be banned from science classrooms.

"Scientific inquiry is not about accepting on faith a statement or scriptural passage. It's about exploring nature, so there really is not any place in the science classroom for creationism or intelligent design creationism," said Omenn.

"We don't teach astrology as an alternative to astronomy, or witchcraft as an alternative to medicine," said Francisco Ayala, a professor of biological sciences at the University of California, Irvine.

"We must understand the difference between what is and is not science. We must not teach creationism as an alternative to evolution," he said.

"Holding deep religious beliefs is not incompatible with believing in evolution," Omenn said.

"But that's different to saying the two can be taught together in science class, because religion and science are two different ways of knowing about the world. They might not be incompatible but they don't overlap each other's spheres.

"Science class should not contain religious attitudes," he added.
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http://richarddawkins.net/article,2111,US-doomed-if-creationist-president-elected-scientists,Physorg
 
Bush is a creationist, the constitution forbids religion in schools.
 
Yea exactly as stabby said, if bush couldnt completely **** it up then noone else will be able to. Unless ron paul wins and allows the communities to decide what is and isnt taught in schools, then we are ****ed. Until then please no more creationist threads!
I declare this locked.
/locked.
 
But you see, the problem is Bush really isn't a true Christian in any sense of the word. He just projects that illusion that he is to gather support from a huge voting base in this country. Someone like Huckabee who's life is religion will put it into such a focus that it can become very dangerous when you start trying to mix state and religion more.
 
daddy was a christian:

George H Bush said:
I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
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Raziaar said:
But you see, the problem is Bush really isn't a true Christian in any sense of the word. He just projects that illusion that he is to gather support from a huge voting base in this country. Someone like Huckabee who's life is religion will put it into such a focus that it can become very dangerous when you start trying to mix state and religion more.
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How do you know Bush isnt a true Christian?

It is after all why we invaded iraq...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml
 
TCfromBN said:
:( I'm sick of these threads.
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Im sick of being raped when i walk around the bad parts of boston at 2 AM. Ever since I stopped walking in boston at 2 AM i havent been raped once

See what im getting at?

long story short, rape isnt fun
 
Raziaar said:
But you see, the problem is Bush really isn't a true Christian in any sense of the word. He just projects that illusion that he is to gather support from a huge voting base in this country. Someone like Huckabee who's life is religion will put it into such a focus that it can become very dangerous when you start trying to mix state and religion more.
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Theres a gazillion different interpretations of a "true" christian, what are your standards for judging such? Is going to a war based on a voice in your head, not living one's religion? From the psychobabble I've heard from huckabee Im sure he'd do the same.
 
Friggin Albert Einstien was a creationist too. That idiot ruined science.
 
alehm said:
Friggin Albert Einstien was a creationist too. That idiot ruined science.
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no he wasnt...and how the hell did he ruin science? He almost defined science with his theory
 
alehm said:
Friggin Albert Einstien was a creationist too. That idiot ruined science.
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I really dislike it when scientists get up and become doom-sayers.

Anyways, Huckabee is still on my 'maybe' pile as he's got some hefty PRO's on my list, despite some hefty CON's.


Also, the constitution on where says anything about Religion not being taught in school. It says the Government cannot say "We will all worship (or not worship) X, or Y will happen to you."

Please lock this thread as this is one of those political debates.
 
"Please lock this thread as this is one of those political debates."

and/or move it to the politics section
 
Anyone who votes for someone favouring religion over science votes against jetpacks for all.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Cheomesh said:
I really dislike it when scientists get up and become doom-sayers.

Anyways, Huckabee is still on my 'maybe' pile as he's got some hefty PRO's on my list, despite some hefty CON's.


Also, the constitution on where says anything about Religion not being taught in school. It says the Government cannot say "We will all worship (or not worship) X, or Y will happen to you."

Please lock this thread as this is one of those political debates.
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Separation of church and state newb. Public schools are run by the local governments.

I cant believe Huckabee is doing so well. Just when I was started to regain some respect for my fellow Americans too. *sigh*
 
I am so glad that in this day and age I am a communist welfare sucking prancy liberal appeasement monkey crazy funny cultured European.
 
American Scientists: "Don't vote for a religious nut, or we're out of a job!"

I wouldn't say the U.S. is "doomed" if religion continues to ooze its way in to government, but it will be about six steps backwards from the current situation.
 
Actually religion seems to be going away more than coming in, but you are all mostly too young (myself included) to remember any president before maybe Bush Senior.
 
Cormeh said:
I wouldn't say the U.S. is "doomed" if religion continues to ooze its way in to government, but it will be about six steps backwards from the current situation.
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Which pretty much means doomed (assuming the religious groups we're dealing with are the christian right/fundamentalists/evangelicals). They're ****ing nuts.

And worse, they're 25% of the US.

I wouldn't go around fearmongering just yet though, most extremely religious people are not taken seriously or are too comfortable with where they are.

However religion is finding itself more involved in US politics every day, or so I read.

Huckabee's rating is pretty high, btw, but it is overshadowed by Clinton and the rest of the Democrats.
 
**** 'em. USA goes it's own way. I believe they were laughing at the USA in the 1790's, then we owned them (barely) in 1812. then they laughed at our economy, so we took their economy and improved it. All we need today is hydrogen tech, and then the world can go F itself.
 
Bush Junior doesnt buy in to that crap he just wants to please the crazy voter base,Huckabee is a ****ing dipshit we really ARE doomed if he gets in to power
 
what does the president have to do with the continuation of science?

anyway, the majority of the US is that way, and I highly doubt that changing anytime in the next century. That'd be like me making fun of Czech because it's people are eastern European and therefore, automatically radicals. Stop assuming.
 
yea, but the president now hasn't done much. sure he banned embryonic stem cells, but that just made it spread into umbilical chords, the happy medium of the situation. Bush hasn't done much in that field, he's been too busy fing things up elsewhere.
 
I like placental stem cell research. Plenty of those.

I don't like embryonic stem cell research.
 
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