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[repiV]

A significant Majoirty of Iraqi's wanted us to invade/occupy them?

I dare you to try and find a source for that.

No, they wanted rid of Saddam.

 

[Solaris]

No, they wanted rid of Saddam.

Two very different things.

 

[repiV]

Two very different things.

If there were no terrorists or warring factions, an occupation would never have been neccessary. Yet since the country would fall into absolute and total chaos and destabilise the entire Middle East without us there, our presence remains a necessity.
How can you blame that on us?

 

[CptStern]

excuse me? what fantasy version of iraq are you thinking of? Saddam had the various factions in check ..oh and the "terrorists" also included CIA supported groups like the iraqi national accord that claimed over 100 lives ..the same INA that fed the US the lies they wanted to hear during the build up to invasion ..the same leaders who were given high ranking positions in the interim government after the invasion ..people like former Iraqi prime minister Ayad Allawi ..a murderer and terrorist himself ...but I guess it's ok when terrorism is directed by the west



more when I get a chance

 

[repiV]

excuse me? what fantasy version of iraq are you thinking of? Saddam had the various factions in check ..oh and the "terrorists" also included CIA supported groups like the iraqi national accord that claimed over 100 lives ..the same INA that fed the US the lies they wanted to hear during the build up to invasion ..the same leaders who were given high ranking positions in the interim government after the invasion ..people like former Iraqi prime minister Ayad Allawi ..a murderer and terrorist himself ...but I guess it's ok when terrorism is directed by the west



more when I get a chance

No, it's not ok. So Saddam had the factions in check, does that make him some wonderful hero now?
You're little better than the Republican faithful...you're so blinded by your views of America and Bush you take it WAY too ****ing far.
It also appears to be an either/or situation with you. I think Iraqi terrorists are bad, so I must think Bush is great. I think we are not directly at fault for the chaotic situation in Iraq, and I dare to blame the terrorists for being terrorists, so I must support the invasion and think we're there to bring freedom to the Iraqis.
You're so intent on proving how bad Bush is you're portraying the terrorists in a sympathetic light.

What was that Bush said? "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists". Did you buy into that crap and not realise it?

 

[jverne]

Which Asians are you talking about? East Asian nations are the smartest of all.
I do find that very interesting. If even the beleageured People's Republic has an average IQ of 100, higher than most Western nations, it does make you wonder if there are genetic factors involved. Especially when you have Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong and a couple of other countries from that region topping the list.

yes, yes, mostly eastern nations like the ones you mentioned.

i don't believe genes have such an impact on the statistical average. i blame school systems.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Stalin had Russia and Eastern Europe pretty much in check, ever since the Soviet Union fell apart, hell broke lose, *kuch Chechnya *kuch
I doubt you can use "keeping in check" as an argument here, even though statistics support "less died under Saddam, then now under terrorist rule".
Statistics probably also support a possible statement Russia was safer under communist rule than years later under maffia-rule = transitions in countries are rarely without years of turbulence...(and foreign fundamentalists sponsoring any attempt to destabilize doesn't exactly help..) You have to look at the long-run.
Though, personally i think the Iraq invasion was based on a lie -> its illegal, and not much good can come from a lie. I really hope Iraq will one day be a "better place" since Iraqi's deserve peace after getting ass****ed for so long .
I also think Bush should be brought to justice, though I'd have to agree repiV, that you wont get a positive word or sympathy out of me for Saddam or any terrorist faction foreign or local, and that a lot of the current anarchy in Iraq is being generated by fundamentalist states, groups seeking to fight their holy war, and that you simply cant say "well its all the fault of the US" giving terrorists a blank cheque to do whatever they want => since the blame lies with the USA right?
I also agree that we should stop putting ppl in boxes, it doesn't help the discussion, more so turns it into a moronic attempt to polarize the situation => its not Black & White.

 

[CptStern]

No, it's not ok. So Saddam had the factions in check, does that make him some wonderful hero now?

? why would you make that leap in logic?

you said:

If there were no terrorists or warring factions, an occupation would never have been neccessary.

I said:

Saddam had the various factions in check

how does this fit with what we were discussing?

does that make him some wonderful hero now?

you have a knack for sidestepping the issue and throwing in some alarmist statement that has little to do with the topic at hand

You're little better than the Republican faithful...you're so blinded by your views of America and Bush you take it WAY too ****ing far.

you mean because I would rather rely on facts than emotion?

It also appears to be an either/or situation with you. I think Iraqi terrorists are bad, so I must think Bush is great.

lol! when did I say that?

I think we are not directly at fault for the chaotic situation in Iraq,

yes you are, the US and the UK knew going in that saddam didnt have wmd ..you're entire justification was a lie, therefore you are responsible for any reprecussions of your actions ..without your lies 655,000 iraqis would still be alve ..regardless if you (the coalition) were directly responsible for their deaths or not

and I dare to blame the terrorists for being terrorists, so I must support the invasion and think we're there to bring freedom to the Iraqis.

lol, imposing democracy by force ...ya i can see how that's gonna work ..hows it coming along btw?

You're so intent on proving how bad Bush is you're portraying the terrorists in a sympathetic light.

name one instance ..I have over 22,000 posts, it should be easy to find at least one example

What was that Bush said? "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists". Did you buy into that crap and not realise it?

again please find at least one instance where I explicitly say I support terrorism

 

[jverne]

well bush is considered one of the worst us presidents. thats fact

iraq is based on a lie, just what stern said. theres no argument against that.

 

[Ome_Vince]

he's not just considered, he IS the worst US president

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Man, of all the years in the politics forum, this is definitely one of the worst threads yet.

Yeah, the solution to combatting the worldwide scourge of islamic fundamentalism is banning hats.
Brilliant strategy.
After all, the hat you wear controls your thoughts.
That's why when the pope removes his gaudy chapeau, he just starts cussing and cussing.

And what fights religious and racial intolerance better than declaring your opponents are of an inferior race?
Clearly this can't possibly go wrong, and has never gone wrong for any society ever, in history.
Deploy anti-hat missiles!

Speaking of which, no jewish person has ever entered into a pointless conflict for retarded religious reasons.
Not even in Israel.
No, conflict in Israel simply doesn't exist. Like The Unicorn.
Thank The Unicorn that conflict in Israel doesn't exist!


Finally, note that Repiv's name is pronounced "Rapey V".

Coincidence? I think not!

 

[CptStern]

Man, of all the years in the politics forum, this is definitely one of the worst threads yet.

Yeah, the solution to combatting the worldwide scourge of islamic fundamentalism is banning hats.
Brilliant strategy.
After all, the hat you wear controls your thoughts.
That's why when the pope removes his gaudy chapeau, he just starts cussing and cussing.

And what fights religious and racial intolerance better than declaring your opponents are of an inferior race?
Clearly this can't possibly go wrong, and has never gone wrong for any society ever, in history.
Deploy anti-hat missiles!

Speaking of which, no jewish person has ever entered into a pointless conflict for retarded religious reasons.
Not even in Israel.
No, conflict in Israel simply doesn't exist. Like The Unicorn.
Thank The Unicorn that conflict in Israel doesn't exist!


Finally, note that Repiv's name is pronounced "Rapey V".

Coincidence? I think not!

lol!

 

[repiV]

? why would you make that leap in logic?

you said:



I said:



how does this fit with what we were discussing?

Leap in logic? Your hatred for your own allies is so intense and irrational you turn the situation around and practically sing the praises of oppressive regimes and totalitarian ideologies.

you have a knack for sidestepping the issue and throwing in some alarmist statement that has little to do with the topic at hand

Not really. You're the king of illogical bullshit around here, it just happens to be lefty bullshit which usually goes down well with students and twenty-somethings.

you mean because I would rather rely on facts than emotion?

Facts? Your idea of facts is "Israel is oppressing poor Palestine and America is at fault for the Middle East being a shithole."
You also have a clear and demonstrated prejudice against Americans, and a tendency to defend tyrants that happen to oppose the status quo.
I recall your comment about Solaris "turning away from the good side" - are you a closet communist too?

lol! when did I say that?

It's implied. I take issue with the utter bullshit spewing out of the mouths of the loony left of late, so I must be a fascist.

yes you are, the US and the UK knew going in that saddam didnt have wmd ..you're entire justification was a lie, therefore you are responsible for any reprecussions of your actions ..without your lies 655,000 iraqis would still be alve ..regardless if you (the coalition) were directly responsible for their deaths or not

That makes no ****ing sense whatsoever. It just reinforces your extremely immature and ignorant "support the underdog, even if they are brutal murderers" mentality. Say, do you hang around here so much because nobody your own age will take you seriously?

lol, imposing democracy by force ...ya i can see how that's gonna work ..hows it coming along btw?

Umm. Yes, thankyou for proving my point. Like I said, I dare to blame terrorists for being terrorists so in your mind I must support the invasion. As far as I'm concerned, the entire Middle East can rot in its own festering shithole. Including Israel.

name one instance ..I have over 22,000 posts, it should be easy to find at least one example

One instance? You do it all the time. You did it in this very post by laying the blame for all the deaths in Iraq solely at the feet of the US and UK. How dense can you get?

again please find at least one instance where I explicitly say I support terrorism

You certainly don't oppose it, nor do you take any kind of "balanced" view on the situation as you like to believe you do.

 

[repiV]

Man, of all the years in the politics forum, this is definitely one of the worst threads yet.

Yeah, the solution to combatting the worldwide scourge of islamic fundamentalism is banning hats.
Brilliant strategy.
After all, the hat you wear controls your thoughts.
That's why when the pope removes his gaudy chapeau, he just starts cussing and cussing.

And what fights religious and racial intolerance better than declaring your opponents are of an inferior race?
Clearly this can't possibly go wrong, and has never gone wrong for any society ever, in history.
Deploy anti-hat missiles!

First of all, I never said anything about banning headscarfs.
However, it is abundantly clear to any right-thinking person who hasn't been brainwashed by socialists that lots of different communities existing side by side who have completely different value systems and never interact unless forced to do so is not a society at all - it's simply lots of disparate groups vying for control over who makes the rules that govern everyone.
We are handing over control of our culture gleefully, as if it's some kind of requirement in order not to be branded a racist or bigot. How utterly foolish. Multiculturalism will never work (nor should it), and it pains me to see that there are hordes of people who actually buy (or sell) that shit.
Our society is being taken away from us not necessarily by Muslims themselves, but by people like you who are all too willing to give them everything they want and some privileges they wouldn't even ask for in the name of "fairness".
The problem isn't really Islam itself, but the mindset of the people who make so many allowances to it. Our society is overrun by these loons. Christ, the amount of people talking shit about how Rememberance Day "glorifies war", boycotting poppies and talking shit about the military makes me sick. Utterly sick.
These people are the problem, how Islam is manifesting itself in the West is the symptom.

Speaking of which, no jewish person has ever entered into a pointless conflict for retarded religious reasons.
Not even in Israel.
No, conflict in Israel simply doesn't exist. Like The Unicorn.
Thank The Unicorn that conflict in Israel doesn't exist!

Oh, yeah. Of course. Israel is oppressing Palestine, just like the world is ruled by the Illuminati. My memory must be failing me...

Finally, note that Repiv's name is pronounced "Rapey V".

Coincidence? I think not!

Actually, it's pronounced rep-piv.

 

[CptStern]

oh here we go again ..you take a week sabbatical and I'm supposed to remember where we left off? I dont even remember what the initial discussion was about .. hats?

 

[repiV]

oh here we go again ..you take a week sabbatical and I'm supposed to remember where we left off? I dont even remember what the initial discussion was about .. hats?

Aren't I allowed to have a life?

 

[CptStern]

I really dont care either way

 

[repiV]

I really dont care either way

You obviously do care to some degree, otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up.

 

[CptStern]

lol1 because I mentioned that I had forgotten about our conversation of over a week ago ..ya I can see how that's caring :rolling:

 

[Mechagodzilla]

The problem isn't really Islam itself, but the mindset of the people who make so many allowances to it. Our society is overrun by these loons. Christ, the amount of people talking shit about how Rememberance Day "glorifies war", boycotting poppies and talking shit about the military makes me sick. Utterly sick.
These people are the problem, how Islam is manifesting itself in the West is the symptom.

Welcome to christianity, judaism, communism and new-age conspiracy theory scientologism.
I'm surprised you haven't met before!

No-one (except islam) is debating that islam is problematic bullshit. However, singling them out for blame is to ignore a whole spectrum of problematic bullshit. It's a shit rainbow.

You know who "tolerates" muslims when they do ludicrous things in the name of faith? Either people who are genuinely timid or, far more likely, people who are also religious, but don't want to be called on their equally ludicrous nonsense either.

The only difference between the "utterly sick" muslim bullshit and the "utterly sick" christian bullshit is that you're used to one (because, in the western world, christianity has achieved the omnipresence that jesus the christ lacks) and thus the other seems foreign and scary.
There really aren't any other key difference between the two.

So it's not an exaggeration to say that, unless you're proposing that we should treat people who wear lower-case t's on necklaces with equal contempt for being divisive as those in headscarves, your whole crusade is as intellectually and morally bankrupt as islam itself.

 

[repiV]

Welcome to christianity, judaism, communism and new-age conspiracy theory scientologism.
I'm surprised you haven't met before!

No-one (except islam) is debating that islam is problematic bullshit. However, singling them out for blame is to ignore a whole spectrum of problematic bullshit. It's a shit rainbow.

You know who "tolerates" muslims when they do ludicrous things in the name of faith? Either people who are genuinely timid or, far more likely, people who are also religious, but don't want to be called on their equally ludicrous nonsense either.

You would think that would be the case. However, there is a clear double standard in terms of how Islam is treated when compared to other religions.
Criticism of Islam is dealt with more harshly or refrained from...it is acceptable to take the piss out of Jesus but not Mohammed.
Just on here you can find plenty of people who stand up and defend Islam who would just as soon call someone an idiot purely for being a Christian.
Our own foreign secretary was recently quoted as saying "the great and noble faith of Islam". She was trying to rally British Muslims against terrorism so perhaps a useful PR move, but nonetheless - pass the sick bucket.
In America, apparently the most conservative of Western nations, you will frequently find religious displays in schools with every religion BUT Christianity.

Besides which, even if Christianity is stupid, it is our heritage and it has shaped Western society. We can't ignore our heritage.

The only difference between the "utterly sick" muslim bullshit and the "utterly sick" christian bullshit is that you're used to one (because, in the western world, christianity has achieved the omnipresence that jesus the christ lacks) and thus the other seems foreign and scary.
There really aren't any other key difference between the two.

How much sick Christian bullshit do you see? How much sick Muslim bullshit?
Christianity hasn't achieved omnipresence - it is a regular subject of ridicule (unlike Islam, in public).
In theory you are correct, but in practice Christianity is rarely followed literally and has "moved on". Islam today is where Christianity was a thousand years ago.
Also, have you ever read the Qu'ran? It's a much more evil, violent and xenophobic book than the Bible. It tells the same stories, yes, but the interpretation of those events is very different between the two. Perhaps this is in part why Christianity has modernised but Islam has not - Christianity allows room for progress.

So it's not an exaggeration to say that, unless you're proposing that we should treat people who wear lower-case t's on necklaces with equal contempt for being divisive as those in headscarves, your whole crusade is as intellectually and morally bankrupt as islam itself.

So what do you propose? Surrender? Do nothing?

 

[ComradeBadger]

So what do you propose? Surrender? Do nothing?

You're imagining a threat. Toleration of other people's systems of belief is a good thing.

 

[repiV]

You're imagining a threat.

You really are deluded if you believe there is no threat.

Toleration of other people's systems of belief is a good thing.

Why?

 

[ComradeBadger]

You really are deluded if you believe there is no threat.

Please relate to me the nature of this 'threat' to the UK.

Why?

Because everyone has a right to exist, and to believe what they please. Their beliefs and practices do not infringe on our rights, therefore they should be tolerated.

 

[repiV]

Please relate to me the nature of this 'threat' to the UK.

I have, numerous times. Do you not even follow the news?
It's an utterly moronic assertion that "Islam poses no threat".

Because everyone has a right to exist, and to believe what they please. Their beliefs and practices do not infringe on our rights, therefore they should be tolerated.

Yes, by corrupting the values of our society and trying to change it they do infringe on our rights. By not integrating with the existing society but instead creating a parallel culture that is separate from us they also infringe on our rights. Furthermore, nobody has a "right" to live in this country unless they were born here. It is a privilege and one that is granted at our discretion and one which can be revoked at will.
It took you a long time to think of such a weak answer - I can only assume you are simply regurgitating what you have been told by socialist educators and news publications your entire life without really thinking it through.

You want an Islamic Britain? Good. If we do things your way, sooner or later that is exactly what you will have. I have a feeling that isn't really what you want, however.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I have, numerous times. Do you not even follow the news?
It's an utterly moronic assertion that "Islam poses no threat".

Islamic extremists do pose a threat, the vast majority of muslims do not in fact. It's a small minority.

Yes, by corrupting the values of our society and trying to change it they do infringe on our rights. By not integrating with the existing society but instead creating a parallel culture that is separate from us they also infringe on our rights.

Corrupting the values of our society? What, pray tell are these?

Furthermore, nobody has a "right" to live in this country unless they were born here. It is a privilege and one that is granted at our discretion and one which can be revoked at will.

It is a privilege, but why abuse people who've done nothing wrong, by lumping them in with the actions of the more extreme fringe elements.

You want an Islamic Britain? Good. If we do things your way, sooner or later that is exactly what you will have. I have a feeling that isn't really what you want, however.

An Islamic Britian, under Sharia law - yes, because that's really going to happen.
Oh, and Britain at the moment cosists of around 5% immigrants.

 

[CptStern]

/me pulls up chair, eats popcorn

no, no dont let me interupt do continue, you tell him Badger, rapeV I'll get to you when I get a chance :E

<munch munch> diabolical laugh, coughing/hacking<munch munch>

 

[repiV]

Islamic extremists do pose a threat, the vast majority of muslims do not in fact. It's a small minority.

The vast majority of Muslims do not assimilate or follow the norms of our society. Western culture is considered immoral by Islam, so why are they here at all?
Many of them are also vulnerable to being radicalised, something I have personal experience of. So yes, they do pose a threat. "The culture" poses a threat.

Corrupting the values of our society? What, pray tell are these?

You don't know the values of your own society? No wonder you don't care about them.

It is a privilege, but why abuse people who've done nothing wrong, by lumping them in with the actions of the more extreme fringe elements.

The extreme fringe elements are not the only issue here. In the grand scheme of things, they are a fairly minor piece of the problem.

An Islamic Britian, under Sharia law - yes, because that's really going to happen.
Oh, and Britain at the moment cosists of around 5% immigrants.

It's more like 8%, yet that is a fairly worthless statistic as immigrants are drawn to certain hotspots. 30% of Londoners were not born in Britain, not to mention their offspring.
What makes you think it won't happen? If current trends continue, Muslims will eventually be the majority. Even if Sharia law itself does not happen, certain inroads will happen - and are happening.

 

[repiV]

/me pulls up chair, eats popcorn

no, no dont let me interupt do continue, you tell him Badger, rapeV I'll get to you when I get a chance :E

<munch munch> diabolical laugh, coughing/hacking<munch munch>

Idiot.

 

[CptStern]

<munch munch>garblegarblegarble ... ya ya keep it clean ya wanker<munch munch>

 

[repiV]

<munch munch>garblegarblegarble ... ya ya keep it clean ya wanker<munch munch>

Perhaps you should try your routine on a board mostly populated by people your own age. One that isn't democraticunderground or moveon.org.
I'd love to see that.

 

[CptStern]

what difference would it make? are you saying that young people are stupid?

<takes sip from pop, rattles icecubes>

 

[repiV]

what difference would it make? are you saying that young people are stupid?

<takes sip from pop, rattles icecubes>

Not necessarily. However, they are far more likely to share your bleeding heart tendencies and to buy any piece of bullshit you throw out there so long as it's left-wing, anti-America or pro-Islam.
You'd get eaten alive and you know it.

 

[CptStern]

actually you are wrong ..my peers agree with me ..anyone with any measure of intelligence/life experience agrees with me (up to a point of course)

and no I wouldnt be eaten alive ..in fact I've spent a lot of time at an ultra right wing global group of protest ninnies who's sole purpose is to harrass protestors ..and I carried my own quite well in a sea of white supremacists, religious extremists, ultra conservatives, rednecks, boobs etc ...quite a few of our veteran members can attest to that as they were there

so quit assuming and get back to your alarmist arguments, it's quite entertaining

 

[repiV]

actually you are wrong ..my peers agree with me ..anyone with any measure of intelligence/life experience agrees with me (up to a point of course)

and no I wouldnt be eaten alive ..in fact I've spent a lot of time at an ultra right wing global group of protest ninnies who's sole purpose is to harrass protestors ..and I carried my own quite well in a sea of white supremacists, religious extremists, ultra conservatives, rednecks, boobs etc ...quite a few of our veteran members can attest to that as they were there

so quit assuming and get back to your alarmist arguments, it's quite entertaining

Wow, that is the most arrogant statement I have ever read. It also happens to be completely incorrect. It also shows that, in the usual vein of liberal hypocrisy, you claim to be tolerant of other people's beliefs and then demonstrate that you are nothing of the sort.

So you managed to outwit a bunch of morons. This proves what, exactly? That you are slightly less moronic and that you aren't capable of challenging intelligent people who disagree with you, but little else.

 

[CptStern]

Wow, that is the most arrogant statement I have ever read. It also happens to be completely incorrect. It also shows that, in the usual vein of liberal hypocrisy, you claim to be tolerant of other people's beliefs and then demonstrate that you are nothing of the sort.

lol sure jump to the extremist/alarmist interpretation ..it's quickly becoming your calling card

So you managed to outwit a bunch of morons. This proves what, exactly?

i dont know, you brought it up, ask yourself

That you are slightly less moronic and that you aren't capable of challenging intelligent people who disagree with you, but little else.

are you referring to yourself?.. because if that's the case I've handed you your ass on a platter repeatedly

 

[ComradeBadger]

The vast majority of Muslims do not assimilate or follow the norms of our society. Western culture is considered immoral by Islam, so why are they here at all?

Clearly to take over Britain and make it into a shining beacon of Islam culture.

You don't know the values of your own society? No wonder you don't care about them.

I wasn't aware that Britain had any particular social values that are being corrupted. In fact, by and large, I'd say that Britain's social values are those of the middle class, as they are responsible for the education of the young. It's a trend that's been growing since the 19th Century, education essentially gives each new generation the values of the preceeding middle class.
It's a secular system, and unless the 'grand scheme of things' involves a takeover of the public schooling system, society's values are going to be by and large unaffected.

What makes you think it won't happen? If current trends continue, Muslims will eventually be the majority. Even if Sharia law itself does not happen, certain inroads will happen - and are happening.

These inroads being? I'm calling on you to back up your arguements.

 

[repiV]

lol sure jump to the extremist/alarmist interpretation ..it's quickly becoming your calling card

Er...right. Are you denying that saying "everyone with a brain agrees with me" is arrogant, and in light of your much vaunted "tolerance", extremely hypocritical?
"Oh I tolerate everyone, except white people who aren't bleeding heart liberals, socialists or communists. I label them extremists because I don't have anything intelligent to say. It works really well."

i dont know, you brought it up, ask yourself

Obviously you believe that everyone who thinks that multiculturalism is a bad idea is a moron. For a "liberal", you sure are one narrow-minded, prejudiced idiot.

are you referring to yourself?.. because if that's the case I've handed you your ass on a platter repeatedly

Your measure of success is what - how loud Solaris cheers and how many teenagers jump to congratulate you when you spew your bullshit?

 

[repiV]

Clearly to take over Britain and make it into a shining beacon of Islam culture.

Nice dodge.

I wasn't aware that Britain had any particular social values that are being corrupted. In fact, by and large, I'd say that Britain's social values are those of the middle class, as they are responsible for the education of the young. It's a trend that's been growing since the 19th Century, education essentially gives each new generation the values of the preceeding middle class.
It's a secular system, and unless the 'grand scheme of things' involves a takeover of the public schooling system, society's values are going to be by and large unaffected.

The public schooling system was taken over by bleeding heart liberals a long time ago. It's why so many people think like you do.
How about freedom of speech, just for starters? Few people dare to say a word against Muslims these days, and if they do, they are often in fear of their lives.

These inroads being? I'm calling on you to back up your arguements.

How about...the custom of wearing the school uniform being waived in order to accomodate Muslims, laws that protect the religious from criticism (ie. free speech), Muslim leaders being informed about anti-terror raids before they happen (!), cab drivers waiving their responsibility to carry all passengers on religious grounds to name just a few?

If Muslims even need special banks, special school uniforms and dress codes, and won't enter the most fundamental of British institutions, the pub...it's clear they don't belong here in our culture.

 

[CptStern]

Er...right. Are you denying that saying "everyone with a brain agrees with me" is arrogant, and in light of your much vaunted "tolerance", extremely hypocritical?

I meant in general .. as in the general issues of the day ..but way to continue with your usual kneejerk reactionsim

"Oh I tolerate everyone, except white people who aren't bleeding heart liberals, socialists or communists. I label them extremists because I don't have anything intelligent to say. It works really well."

lol, I label you extremist because you are ..of the foam at the mouth/omg we'll be overrun by the darkies/it's us against them variety

but I find it hilarious that you label me intolerant ..the irony escapes you which is puzzling because you seem to think you're intelligent

Obviously you believe that everyone who thinks that multiculturalism is a bad idea is a moron.

you tend to use the word "obvious" and "I believe" a lot but when asked to produce direct quotes I get nothing ...but again try not to sidestep this question:

WHY DID YOU BRING IT UP?

For a "liberal", you sure are one narrow-minded, prejudiced idiot.

and now you're just being purposefully mean ..did I kick your puppy perchance? or are you so intolerant (there's that word again) that you cant stomach someone calling you on your idiotic ideas?

Your measure of success is what - how loud Solaris cheers and how many teenagers jump to congratulate you when you spew your bullshit?

the fact that I shut you up is good enough for me ..see you might not realise this but you ignore 75% of what i say and nitpick a single point to death ..but my points still go unanswered so i can only assume that you've either conceded or are unwilling to challenge because you have no rebuttle

ok i've wasted enough time on you ..i'll be back later to give you another once over