seriuoulsy, screw Iran >.>

[golden_fang]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cc_1193363452
America may have its fair share of fundies but at least you can walk around like you want.

 

[Raziaar]

That's disgusting.

Women should be able to dress however they want, even if they want to emulate the more casual dress of another country.


At least here the only time people throw a huge fit is if you're way under dressed... Even that can get out of hand at times though, but it's NOTHING like in that video.

 

[Dynasty]

Um, seriously, screw this for being so arrogant??

Its a custom and a religious belief. Youre basically saying thats a joke, so thats like saying Christianity is a joke? If it was written in the Bible that we had to do the same, youd feel the same way as the guy who got interviewed???

Its not our country or religion or laws, so stop mocking others.

 

[Raziaar]

Religious laws are retarded. Religion and Government should be separate. End of story.

Its not our country or religion or laws, so stop mocking others.

Personally, I believe stupid laws should be mocked and the politicians who support them berated. It doesn't matter if it is a different country... if people are being oppressed, the world community has a right to speak out about it.

 

[Jintor]

I agree with the dancing santa cow.

 

[mastag]

damn muslims.


*boom*

 

[Absinthe]

Um, seriously, screw this for being so arrogant??

Its a custom and a religious belief. Youre basically saying thats a joke, so thats like saying Christianity is a joke? If it was written in the Bible that we had to do the same, youd feel the same way as the guy who got interviewed???

Its not our country or religion or laws, so stop mocking others.

Stupidity is stupidity, no matter if you dress it up as religion, tradition, custom, or law.

I say we mock the shit out of them.

 

[Dynasty]

*sigh* I wonder if there IS infact intelligent life out there sometimes...

Typical 'we have the righ to dictate' attitude. Bollocks man. If we told America what to do aswell, we wouldnt have any problems, for example.

Oh look im getting flamed for the truth, oh well.

Its their own country, we have no right to dictate their own custom and beliefs.

 

[Raziaar]

*sigh* I wonder if there IS infact intelligent life out there sometimes...

Typical 'we have the righ to dictate' attitude. Bollocks man. If we told America what to do aswell, we wouldnt have any problems, for example.

Oh look im getting flamed for the truth, oh well.

Its their own country, we have no right to dictate their own custom and beliefs.

We can't dictate what Iran does... we can only speak out against the oppression they're causing. They made a woman hysterical because she wouldn't cover up her face, and then they took her away to who knows where.


People criticize America more than any country on earth. Sure, that doesn't stop people from saying, "You shouldn't criticize us", but every country deserves to be criticized if they are oppressing others, especially their own citizens. That's why we hear so much about America's Foreign policy and even all the rights we as americans are giving up for this 'war on terrorism'.

 

[Jintor]

*sigh* I wonder if there IS infact intelligent life out there sometimes...

Typical 'we have the righ to dictate' attitude. Bollocks man. If we told America what to do aswell, we wouldnt have any problems, for example.

Oh look im getting flamed for the truth, oh well.

Its their own country, we have no right to dictate their own custom and beliefs.

If their beliefs and customs are to systematically murder jews and homosexuals and other 'deviants', do we still have no right to speak out against what they're doing?

 

[Absinthe]

Its their own country, we have no right to dictate their own custom and beliefs.

You're right. We don't.

But that doesn't make them any less ****ing stupid. And we can still criticize them as such.

Women go through so many indignations in much of the world. They have less rights. They're abused. They're restricted. They're executed or exiled over things they have no control over. And many - if not most - of these women go along with this willingly. But does that really make it any less unfair, brutal, and deplorable? Women who accept these standards in treatment of their sex are not just subscribing to a different set of morals. Most likely, they had been brainwashed into accepting this from an early age.

Moral relativism is bullshit. Women in many parts of the world are treated like garbage, but you can sit there and rationalize this mistreatment as "different but equally valid". How shallow.

 

[No Limit]

You're right. We don't.

But that doesn't make them any less ****ing stupid. And we can still criticize them as such.

Women go through so many indignations in much of the world. They have less rights. They're abused. They're restricted. They're executed or exiled over things they have no control over. And many - if not most - of these women go along with this willingly. But does that really make it any less unfair, brutal, and deplorable? Women who accept these standards in treatment of their sex are not just subscribing to a different set of morals. Most likely, they had been brainwashed into accepting this from an early age.

Moral relativism is bullshit. Women in many parts of the world are treated like garbage, but you can sit there and rationalize this mistreatment as "different but equally valid". How shallow.

Although I agree with you I don't like this holier than thou attitude we all seem to have. Not too long ago our society was just as stupid. Because we've had great prosperity we were able to modernize a lot quicker than they have. We need to give them time to get out from under that rock their entire society lives, I'm not sure making fun of them accomplishes anything.

 

[Irksome]

Its a custom and a religious belief.

So is stoning a disobedient child but last time I checked that was illegal.

Youre basically saying thats a joke, so thats like saying Christianity is a joke?

What are you talking about? No one called Islam a joke - they're calling the arcane practice of forcing women to cover their head a joke.

If it was written in the Bible that we had to do the same, youd feel the same way as the guy who got interviewed???

Very few people in the West are Christian Fundamentalist - and actually the Bible does have it's fair share of barbaric religious laws and custom, but again we have a Separation of Church and State here in the States so no matter what, laws like this are not enforced by the Government, which is really the most disturbing part of the video. That the Government is the one enforcing the law.

Also that guy was a douche-bag, the notion of a man saying "I think WOMEN should have to do this..." is ****ing retarded. That be like me saying "I think the Mods on HL2.net should worship me becuase it says so in my Holy Book."

 

[jerkasaur]

seriously, screw you and your spelling. IT'S A ****ING LAW AND IT MUST BE OBEYED. you want me to list the stupid laws that UK and America has?

01. It is illegal for a cab in the City of London to carry rabid dogs or corpses.

02. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament.

03. It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British monarch upside down.

04. In France, it is forbidden to call a pig Napoleon.

05. Under the UK?s Tax Avoidance Schemes Regulations 2006, it is illegal not to tell the taxman anything you don?t want him to know, though you don?t have to tell him anything you don?t mind him knowing.

06. In Alabama, it is illegal for a driver to be blindfolded while driving a vehicle.

07. In Ohio, it is against state law to get a fish drunk.

08. Royal Navy ships that enter the Port of London must provide a barrel of rum to the Constable of the Tower of London.

09. In the UK, a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants ? even, if she so requests, in a policeman?s helmet.

10. In Lancashire, no person is permitted after being asked to stop by a constable on the seashore to incite a dog to bark.

11. In Miami, Florida, it is illegal to skateboard in a police station.

12. In Indonesia, the penalty for masturbation is decapitation.

13. In England, all men over the age of 14 must carry out two hours of longbow practice a day.

14. In London, Freemen are allowed to take a flock of sheep across London Bridge without being charged a toll; they are also allowed to drive geese down Cheapside.

15. In San Salvador, drunk drivers can be punished by death before a firing squad.

16. In the UK, a man who feels compelled to urinate in public can do so only if he aims for his rear wheel and keeps his right hand on his vehicle.

17. In Florida, unmarried women who parachute on Sundays can be jailed.

18. In Kentucky, it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon more than six-feet long.

19. In Chester, Welshmen are banned from entering the city before sunrise and from staying after sunset.

20. In the city of York, it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow.

21. In Boulder, Colorado, it is illegal to kill a bird within the city limits and also to ?own? a pet ? the town?s citizens, legally speaking, are merely ?pet minders?.

22. In Vermont, women must obtain written permission from their husbands to wear false teeth.

23. In London, it is illegal to flag down a taxi if you have the plague.

24. In Bahrain, a male doctor may legally examine a woman?s genitals but is forbidden from looking directly at them during the examination; he may only see their reflection in a mirror.

25. The head of any dead whale found on the British coast is legally the property of the King; the tail, on the other hand, belongs to the Queen - in case she needs the bones for her corset.

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[jerkasaur]

America may have its fair share of fundies but at least you can walk around like you want.

sure you can...

this is a law in Colorado:
It is illegal for a woman wearing a red dress to be out on the streets after 7 p.m

this one's a law in New Mexico:
Females are strictly forbidden to appear unshaven in public.

Oklahoma:
Females are forbidden from doing their own hair without being licensed by the state.

North Carolina:
In Charlotte, NC, women must have their bodies covered with at least 16 yards of cloth at all times.

Ohio:
Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public.
It is illegal for women to wear footwear of any kind with an open toe.


you know there's a lot more where these came from, want me to list them all?

 

[CptStern]

the difference is that these laws are not enforced ..that's not the case in the Iran ..however I think that's all nice to sit in judgement all the while ignoring the human rights abuses, the torture camps, the illegal wars, the justifying of the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people for nothing the west commits is just being a little hypocritical ..but that shouldnt stop us from commenting on other nations deplorable human rights abuses ..so long as we're aware of our own crimes

 

[Absinthe]

Good job. You referenced an unofficial source that says at the very top:

I am assured by the various contributors that these are real standing laws from around the United States of America. I suspect some have been repealed, and a few may even be fictional, but I have no direct knowledge, so please don't take them too seriously - this is not a law manual!

You have provided a list of dumb, minor, often anachronistic laws that most people do not pay attention to (including authorities) which in no way compare to the daily, ever-present restriction placed on women in many Middle Eastern countries. I don't really know what point you were trying to get at, but try to be a tiny bit less ridiculous.

 

[jerkasaur]

...laws that most people do not pay attention to (including authorities)

it's the same here. the most terrible thing that could happen to these women is that their parents are asked to bring them proper clothes to wear.
i'm not saying this is a good law or a bad law, i'm against this whole thing myself because it's not even islamic, but i can't accept people saying "screw iran because it has this law"

EDIT: oh and golden_fang, don't take things personal. after all this is the politics forum and politics does suck. I didn't mean to be rude or anything. <3

 

[The Monkey]

It's the same thing in most of the ME.

The big question is what we should do about it.

 

[Raziaar]

sure you can...

this is a law in Colorado:
It is illegal for a woman wearing a red dress to be out on the streets after 7 p.m

this one's a law in New Mexico:
Females are strictly forbidden to appear unshaven in public.

Oklahoma:
Females are forbidden from doing their own hair without being licensed by the state.

North Carolina:
In Charlotte, NC, women must have their bodies covered with at least 16 yards of cloth at all times.

Ohio:
Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public.
It is illegal for women to wear footwear of any kind with an open toe.


you know there's a lot more where these came from, want me to list them all?

Yeah... those are retarded laws. But know what? Noone enforces them. They should be abolished. Every state here has stupid laws, that doesn't mean they're enforced or even supported at all by the public.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Well, not just Iran, fang.

BTW, I think this is probably the least of the fears for women in these nations. God forbid she falls in love with someone she wasn't forced to marry...

 

[Nitre]

It's pretty stupid to be honest. Religion really shouldn't have anything at all to do with politics, mainly because they're two different things. If people want to believe in God then they can go ahead and do that, but if they are going to impose the laws of the religion into the laws of state then thats just wrong. Some religious and political laws in countries would probably contradict each other as well.

The way some religions treat women is just appalling in my opinion.

 

[jverne]

Um, seriously, screw this for being so arrogant??

Its a custom and a religious belief. Youre basically saying thats a joke, so thats like saying Christianity is a joke? If it was written in the Bible that we had to do the same, youd feel the same way as the guy who got interviewed???

Its not our country or religion or laws, so stop mocking others.

it's not that you weren't already owned by others...i'll just throw a few words in.

you know why it is so easy for atheists to win religious vs. atheist debates, because most thing religion invents are stupid and completely ****ing illogical.

forcing women to wear a headscarf is utterly ridiculous. it has so little practical (physical) application. stupid laws should be erased or at least mocked, end of story.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

This makes me absoutly sick. It also makes me glad I was born in the west, because for all its faults, at least I'm free to do whatever I want.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Although I agree with you I don't like this holier than thou attitude we all seem to have.

You're problem is his attitude -- not the rhetoric, right?

 

[golden_fang]

sorry if I offended anybody with the screw Iran title..it was late last night and I was just really upsetwhen I saw that they would enforce something so silly. (imho)

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Oh no, I've got something worse:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=426_1181556194 This is how they enforce regulations on people for wearing ... less.

 

[Raziaar]

It looks like she agrees with the customary laws.



/sarcasm

 

[K e r b e r o s]

HAHA no. ^ You're dancing cow is made of magic, btw.

 

[Nemesis6]

What should I write? There are so many things wrong with Iran... I might start with the whole hanging gay people from cranes things, but that's a lie since Ahmadinejad told us Iran doesn't have Gay people. Guess they were just dummies who, you know, moved like real people. Then of course there's the problem that the country is one big screw-up, even after the American-installed Shah got toppled. They throw interesting parades, though:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SQOGoQhwSPA

Their music sucks, though! :-S

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Its not our country or religion or laws, so stop mocking others.

Nahh.

Iran is retarded. So are many other islamic countries. So is the muslim school i drive past everyday and see a sea of veiled girls walking in the blazing sun. God it must be hot under those things. Especially the black ones.

What's weird are the really sexy hot muslim girls that wear hot tight jeans, high heels /boots, lipstick and...a veil. It's odd. But that's what happens when you throw muslims in aussie land.

 

[jerkasaur]

Oh no, I've got something worse:
This is how they enforce regulations on people for wearing ... less.

kerberos, how many law enforcment officers do you know that enforce law and regulations in a private house wearing an undershirt? :|
you don't know arabic so don't post a video that has nothing to do with the thread nor what you're saying ("This is how they enforce regulations on people for wearing ... less.").
while this is not an iranian video, it is also not the way you said it. the woman is beaten because of personal matters with that man. do you really think that man is forcing her to wear a veil IN HOME? god this is ridiculous. most of you people have a negative point of view on islamic countries and no one could change that unless you try to look at things without personal intrests.
islam calls the family "the most holy organization there could ever be" and the wife and husband being nice to eachother "the greatest worship that would please god". now if i say this to you, you would think i'm bullshitting you because you believe that "beating women is an islamic theraphy". for ****'s sake why do you think muslims don't understand as much as you do? this is clear racism.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Perhaps their system will collapse on itself. That's assuming the women are able to stand up.

 

[Nemesis6]

you don't know arabic so don't post a video that has nothing to do with the thread nor what you're saying ("This is how they enforce regulations on people for wearing ... less.").

They don't speak Arabic in Afghanistan; Pashtu or Dari, this most likely being Dari; a not very distant cousin of Farsi.

most of you people have a negative point of view on islamic countries and no one could change that unless you try to look at things without personal intrests.

That's because anywhere Islam is dominant, people live in poverty, strife, and semi-tribal conditions. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, take your pick, and it doesn't have to be Arabian countries.

islam calls the family "the most holy organization there could ever be" and the wife and husband being nice to eachother "the greatest worship that would please god". now if i say this to you, you would think i'm bullshitting you because you believe that "beating women is an islamic theraphy". for ****'s sake why do you think muslims don't understand as much as you do? this is clear racism.

The Qur'an also tells the believers that at the end of days, judgement day, even the stone will say: "O Muslim, behind me is the Jew, come and kill him.". Muhammed also called black people raisin heads, and it also does tell people to beat their wives, but that's beside the point, which is that I can find much more negative in the Qur'an and Hadith than I can positive, and the stuff that's there, oh baby, that must've taken a special kind of psychosis to write.

 

[golden_fang]

kerberos, how many law enforcment officers do you know that enforce law and regulations in a private house wearing an undershirt? :|
you don't know arabic so don't post a video that has nothing to do with the thread nor what you're saying ("This is how they enforce regulations on people for wearing ... less.").
while this is not an iranian video, it is also not the way you said it. the woman is beaten because of personal matters with that man. do you really think that man is forcing her to wear a veil IN HOME? god this is ridiculous. most of you people have a negative point of view on islamic countries and no one could change that unless you try to look at things without personal intrests.
islam calls the family "the most holy organization there could ever be" and the wife and husband being nice to eachother "the greatest worship that would please god". now if i say this to you, you would think i'm bullshitting you because you believe that "beating women is an islamic theraphy". for ****'s sake why do you think muslims don't understand as much as you do? this is clear racism.

Muslims aren't a race.

It's dumb religion

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

this is clear racism.

No its not, its sectarian. Learn the difference.

 

[Raziaar]

If I think fanatical fundamentalist Jews are retarded for their harsh treatment of women, I certainly am not going to give any leeway to the Muslims who I view as being many times more harsh and oppressive to their women. The fanatical fundamentalist ones that is.

I don't care about culture, times are changing, humanity as a whole is changing. There's no place in this world for individuals or groups who's goal is to keep an entire half of the world's population living as a second class citizen, subservient to man.

 

[Tyguy]

this is clear racism.

The atrocities committed against women in the muslim world are down right evil. I recall a video where muslim women were not allowed to leave a building on fire because they were not dressed correctly, and they died. You feel this is just?

Stop defending an evil and stupid religion

 

[CptStern]

The atrocities committed against women in the muslim world are down right evil. I recall a video where muslim women were not allowed to leave a building on fire because they were not dressed correctly, and they died. You feel this is just?

Stop defending an evil and stupid religion

oh come on tyguy the religion didnt make them allow those women to burn to death, their warped and fanatical code of ethics did ..it's no different than christians who crucify themselves at easter or Jim Jones forcing 900 people to drink poisoned koolaid ...fanatics use religion to support their fanatical views

the bible says:

"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. (Matthew 5:29-30)

one could interpret that literally ..it would explain christian castration over the millennia

 

[Tyguy]

oh come on tyguy the religion didnt make them allow those women to burn to death, their warped and fanatical code of ethics did ..

A code of ethics which is taken directly from islam. I place alot of blame on the individuals, but the fact is that islam forces alot of these ridiculous customs on people