Shaking while on ladder??

[MadDog31]

Hey all,

This is just a basic room I'm testing stuff to learn mapping on. I finally got the ladder to work as reported in an earlier post in this forum, but now on my machine and a friend of mine's, when you stop on the ladder, the screen does a rapid shake.

To help you see what I mean, I included a small zip file w/ the map .bsp in there for you to check out.

Any solutions as to what may be causing this (at least on our machines)?

Ian

 

[MadDog31]

*I hate bumping but bump*

 

[pur3r4ge]

I'm unable to look at your map right now (as I'm at work), but in dm_lockdown, VALVe wrapped their ladders in a bsp block textured with player_clip, so they never actually touched the ladder.

 

[MadDog31]

I noticed they wrapped it in a player_clip also...I'm not sure what that involves. I assume player_clip (the pink area) is something that totally blocks the player from entering an area? Is player_clip actually just a block w/ that as a texture?

Let me know if mine shakes on your machine too. I heard on interlopers.net that it's something that affects all DM maps...still waiting on an update w/ that though.

 

[Bossanova]

I noticed they wrapped it in a player_clip also...I'm not sure what that involves. I assume player_clip (the pink area) is something that totally blocks the player from entering an area? Is player_clip actually just a block w/ that as a texture?

Let me know if mine shakes on your machine too. I heard on interlopers.net that it's something that affects all DM maps...still waiting on an update w/ that though.

player clip is placed there because the rail can be walked through. so the player clip stops movement like a brush but not drawn, this similates the rail boundry.

 

[MadDog31]

So what you're saying Bassanova is if I place a player clip on top of the ladder, it will still operate and the ladder will be able to be climbed and it won't cause screen shaking? (I'm at work so I can't test it right now, just looking for confirmation.) A player clip brush will essentially enclose the ladder brush, however it will not interfere w/ the usable_ladder entity?

Ian

 

[Bossanova]

So what you're saying Bassanova is if I place a player clip on top of the ladder, it will still operate and the ladder will be able to be climbed and it won't cause screen shaking? (I'm at work so I can't test it right now, just looking for confirmation.) A player clip brush will essentially enclose the ladder brush, however it will not interfere w/ the usable_ladder entity?

Ian

no. you asked what player clip was. the rail on the ladder is a prop_static. in some cases the prop_static model like ladders and rails can be walked through. so the mapper would put a no clip to stop the action with a brush as the actual climbing is done with the func_useableladder.

to make a ladder you might try

http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/Levels/ladders.html

 

[MadDog31]

Dammit, so now I still don't know what is causing the shaky screen while I'm on the ladder. The plot thickens...

Thanks for the explanation though Boss...you at least cleared up what a player clip does, and I'm sure I'll be using them in some situations now.

Ian

 

[MadDog31]

Well I just received a report over at Interlopers.net that if you put your usableladder entity too close to the ladder, that could cause issues. One guy said he places his 4 units from the ladder and he gets no shaking. The shaking is almost like when you get stuck in an area.

I didn't realize it can be that far from a ladder prop and have it still work...

Ian

 

[MadDog31]

Alright I can't seem to get the texture to align properly on the brush when I apply it...it's like I get part of a ladder, a sidebar, and then the other center section of the ladder. :-\

Ian

 

[Demaratus]

You can tranlate the textures along the x axis and y axis. Just click on the values and scroll your mouse wheel.

 

[MadDog31]

Hmmm...I'll have to give that a shot to see if it gives me better control. I'm such a damn noob.

Ian

 

[Demaratus]

So was I, until I read the SDK docs (not just the developer ones, but the ones on hammer: http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/Hammer/html/Hammer_Users_Guide.html) Then, after reading it and spending an afternoon in Hammer, I got the hang of things=)

 

[pur3r4ge]

I didn't realize it can be that far from a ladder prop and have it still work...

It could be in the middle of an open floor, with no visual queue that a ladder exists, and it will still work. It's not depended on surrounding brushes.

 

[MadDog31]

Very true...I backed away the actual usableladder thing from the ladder brush and it still worked, but it still shook too. Argh.............