Shari'a in Britain

Wow. How alarming. :rolleyes:

That must be much worse than the 90% of chrisitans in this country that believe the US consitution doesn't call for a seperation of church and state:
2004-AUG: U.S. Constitution question: ChristianWebSite.com conducted a poll of their visitors. This is a conservative Protestant web site and probably most of their visitors are Fundamentalist or other Evangelical Protestants. They asked the question: "Do you believe the US Constitution calls for separation of Church and State?" Response was:
No 88.7%
Yes: 11.2?
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/sep_c_st5.htm

But you aren't going to have a problem with that, are you nemesis?

And let me ask you this because all you seem to do is post a bunch of alarmist bullshit but never seem to post any solutions. So tell me, what do you want to do about that 40% figure? Start bombing people? Banning certain religions? Please, explain.
 
Christians don't really concern me much. Compared to the Muslims, they kind of keep to themselves. By the way, how is this relevant to the topic at hand? I mean everyone knows that Christianity is nutty, too.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Christians don't really concern me much. Compared to the Muslims, they kind of keep to themselves.
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Unless they are killing gay people or bombing abortion clinics. But you are right, thats harmless.
 
No Limit said:
Wow. How alarming. :rolleyes:

That must be much worse than the 90% of chrisitans in this country that believe the US consitution doesn't call for a seperation of church and state:


http://www.religioustolerance.org/sep_c_st5.htm

But you aren't going to have a problem with that, are you nemesis?
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Church and state aren't seperated in Denmark. Nor in Norway. They weren't seperated in Sweden until 2000, despite having one of the least religious people in the world.

So non-secularism isn't necessarily a sign of religious law.
 
But they have been here in the US since this country was formed. It says so specifically in our consitution as you all know, yet these idiots claim that isn't literal (yet the 2nd amendment is). Same as with the bible, when god says not to commit adultery thats not literal, but when he says gays are evil he is being literal.
 
As I said, compared to the Muslims, and for all their stupid acts, they can only try to emulate the Muslims as far as extremism go. Pat Condell hits the nail on the head: [YOUTUBE]http://youtube.com/watch?v=nI5WoXpmPiM[/YOUTUBE]

And if you compare being against the seperation of church and state with Shari'a, well, you don't really know much about the countries in which it's not seperated, do you? I didn't even know Denmark didn't have seperation of church and state, but if that's what you're comparing to Shari'a law... Holy shit.
 
Nemesis6 said:
As I said, compared to the Muslims, and for all their stupid acts, they can only try to emulate the Muslims as far as extremism go. Pat Condell hits the nail on the head:
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I think I've seen that video before but I'll need to watch it again later to refresh my memory. I edited my post above, maybe you didn't see it. What is your solution to this. Start dropping bombs? Banning religion? What?
 
No Limit said:
That must be much worse than the 90% of chrisitans in this country that believe the US consitution doesn't call for a seperation of church and state:
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Yeah...ACTUALLY had this discussion of a family member. I was just at a loss that I had to go through and explain the First Amendment. Still didn't believe it was "clear" enough. What a joke.

No Limit said:
Unless they are killing gay people or bombing abortion clinics. But you are right, thats harmless.
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Anyone can certainly see your point but I think you'd be hard pressed to present an argument suggesting that radical christians are 1) more prevalent or 2) are currently far more threatening. That said, I don't have a problem with either religion as long as they're not attempting to pollute my ears.
 
Lt. Drebin said:
Anyone can certainly see your point but I think you'd be hard pressed to present an argument suggesting that radical christians are 1) more prevalent or 2) are currently far more threatening. That said, I don't have a problem with either religion as long as they're not attempting to pollute my ears.
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And I can certainly agree. But why are some pissed off muslims more dangerous than the christians that are trying to gain control of a country with the largest military might in the world? I know most of us can't imagine them taking our country over but as you pointed out they are certainly trying to.

My point is more of they are all batshit crazy and can be left alone. Posting this alarmist bullshit everytime one of them does something stupid is a waste of time and energy.
 
Well, No Limit, this is hardly one of them. Britain's Muslim population is 2.7% of the country, and 40% of 2.7% of a country of nearly 61 million people... That's not a good thing. What would be good and make this dismissable would be if it was in the single digit, but it's nearly half of the Muslim population, and that's ****ed up.
 
1% of the population of the UK. Wow you might as well start praying to Mecca.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Well, No Limit, this is hardly one of them. Britain's Muslim population is 2.7% of the country, and 40% of 2.7% of a country of nearly 61 million people... That's not a good thing. What would be good and make this dismissable would be if it was in the single digit, but it's nearly half of the Muslim population, and that's ****ed up.
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So you are upset with the muslims.

I'll ask again, are you upset with the christians that are trying to make the US with the world's most powerful military and largest nuclear stockpile a christian nation? I'm not asking you if you are worried about them, I am asking if you are upset with them.

I'll post another question. Are you upset with the right wing jewish organizations that are calling for war with Iran? A pissed off muslim group might take down a few hundred or even few thousand people if they get lucky, a group of pissed off jews will take down an entire country with millions of people. Which one scares you more? Unless of course you are one of those calling for war against Iran?

And as a solution you offered reject them entirely. What do you mean by that? Reject them how?
 
No, 2.7%. 648.000 of 1.62 Million want Sharia. That's bad.

NoLimit, I don't really care about the Christians in America because even though they have power, they have nowhere near the influence that we've seen that the Muslims have in the U.K. No, for the time being, there are more pressing matters, not that extremist Christians aren't a problem, but as I said - Islam is a bigger one because it's so much more than a religion.

That depends on what they're saying - I don't really know what to do with Iran. The U.N is powerless and as I see it, America has just given the Iranian mullah regime more legitimacy by letting Ahmadinejad come to the U.S. The Iranian situation is more complicated than just declaring a war on them. The U.S should instead seek to destabilize the Iranian regime, and as after that, it looks like the Iranian people could actually do something for themselves. Now I have a question for you: What the **** does this have to do with anything?

I mean reject them as in... There was this Australian politician who told the Muslim community - If you don't want to integrate and you want Shari'a law, you shouldn't live in Australia. This is the right way. Tell them - If you want Shari'a, go back to the Middle-East. As simple as that.
 
While I think Nemesis is overreacting, it's quite scary that so many Muslims are so hardcore about Islam, even though they live in a liberal democracy
 
Nah, the scary part is that the so-called liberal democracy has allowed this ideology to thrive, and I believe that's the core of Pat Condell's message -- The only ones who gain anything from appeasing these ****tards are the politicians who only care about votes, like, as he says, the Major of Brussels. Britain has so many organizations that aid and abet this ideology - Hizb Ut Tahrir, Minhaj ul Quran, the MPAC. These are the Islamist groups, along with those comes certain elements of the British left like the RESPECT party, and as far as I hear, Labour has a few problems with it as well.

But the best part of it all is this: Britain is not alone with this problem. While Britain has produced domestic terrorists and by far the most extremist Muslim population in Europe, the other European countries are slowly pro(de?)gressing at a slower pace, because the organizations that advocate Islamism have branches in almost all European countries -- The ones they haven't been banned in that is.
 
No Limit said:
My point is more of they are all batshit crazy and can be left alone. Posting this alarmist bullshit everytime one of them does something stupid is a waste of time and energy.
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Again, I don't disagree with you, but if almost half of all British muslims want Sharia it is a tad bit alarming. They can do and behave however they want with each other as a religious organization...if this is how they want to "manage" themselves and fellow muslims then so be it. BUT, the "want" of Sharia law does show a tendency toward radical thought...that's all. It's a little eye opening, IMO.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Nah, the scary part is that the so-called liberal democracy has allowed this ideology to thrive, and I believe that's the core of Pat Condell's message -- The only ones who gain anything from appeasing these ****tards are the politicians who only care about votes, like, as he says, the Major of Brussels. Britain has so many organizations that aid and abet this ideology - Hizb Ut Tahrir, Minhaj ul Quran, the MPAC. These are the Islamist groups, along with those comes certain elements of the British left like the RESPECT party, and as far as I hear, Labour has a few problems with it as well.
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I've never heard of most of those groups, and hardcore Islam will never get any proper support from outside hardcore Muslim communities. All politicians are spineless tossers but they don't support these groups they exploit them just like they exploit everyone else, it's all part of Blairist 'the peoples prime minister' spin politics, that every politician has now adopted. The electorate are either stupid or don't care.
 
NoLimit, I don't really care about the Christians in America because even though they have power, they have nowhere near the influence that we've seen that the Muslims have in the U.K. No, for the time being, there are more pressing matters, not that extremist Christians aren't a problem, but as I said - Islam is a bigger one because it's so much more than a religion.
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Muslims have more influance in the Uk than christians have in th US? What the hell are you smoking. As you pointed out the muslim population in the UK is 2%, the christian population here in the states is around 60%.

The U.S should instead seek to destabilize the Iranian regime
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Just like they did the last time which led to the current regime? Or what they did with Al Queda to destabilize the soviet union?

What the **** does this have to do with anything?
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It has everything to do with this discussion. You are upset about 1% of a population that really has no influance over anything. yet you don't seem to have the same issue with the large extremist jewish organizations that do have influance and are calling for a war that will kill millions of people. How do you not see the parallel? Do you fail to comprehend that muslims in the middle east are as scared of jews and americans as you are scared of muslims?

If you want Shari'a, go back to the Middle-East. As simple as that.
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So you want to exile over a million people because you don't like their beliefs? How do you not understand how this type of idiotic logic leads to the spread of muslim extremism. And worse yet you are anti-democracy by saying something that idiotic.
 
Sharia law is shit and I would fight to stop it being implemented here, though I doubt it will.
 
I would hate to think what it would be like if sharia law were to be implemented in the Uk
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
Exactly what I was thinking - Muslims are a minority here, despite what the press would have us believe.
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Again, I think you are missing the point. It's not that there a ton of Muslims in the UK...it's not that the numbers are so large that they are going to mobilize and make some serious push to implement Sharia Law...that's not the point in this story. Nothing will come of this in the UK.

The point here is that the poll is showing that almost half of the Muslims in the UK are in favor of this radical thinking...which Sharia is...what's alarming is the thought process of almost half the Muslims in the UK. The litteral views and practices in Sharia Law are extreme.
 
Sharia law isn't going to happen on my watch.

Seriously though, the laws of our country apply to everyone, without discrimination. The only positive discrimination I can accept is for situations like where people have disabilities and need special parking, or allowances etc.

No special allowances should be made for any superstitious beliefs. All citizens are equal under the law and are subject to the same code of rules. Following a religion is a choice, you are free to do so within the constraints of the law of the land.

If you don't like it, then that's tough. There are plenty of other places that implement Sharia law, and if it's so important to you, you will go there.

Allowing Sharia law to be implemented purely for Muslims would be discriminatory, and against a fair and equal society, and implementing it for everyone would be unacceptable.

If you afforded Muslims to live by Sharia, you'd have to allow Christians to live by Biblical law, Communists to live by Marx Law, Chinese to live by the laws of the People's Republic of China, etc. Chaos.
 
Muslims actually make up 3% of the population, and you can guarantee the real figure is higher than that officially stated due to illegal immigration and unknown children etc.

More to the point, there are large Muslim populations centralised in specific areas, and create a powerful force for change. Some areas of London feel like they were airlifted out of Jeddah. It's not exactly rocket science either to come to the conclusion that the areas of the country where Muslim "communities" are prominent are total shitholes.

Most societal change is driven by small but vocal groups - if the majority had anything to do with it, most of us wouldn't feel exiled and alienated in our own country (and I'm not just referring to immigration, either). British democracy is a farce.

Proponents of multiculturalism, speed cameras, no right to silence for suspects in petty motoring offences, the Iraq war, a compulsory nationwide DNA database, ID cards and the European superstate are a small minority too, in all likelihood smaller than Islam but it doesn't make any of these things any less real.
They also don't have a large gamut of sympathisers like Muslim extremists do.
 
repiV said:
It's not exactly rocket science either to come to the conclusion that the areas of the country where Muslim "communities" are prominent are total shitholes.
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Wow, no way :eek:.

You can say the same thing about any ehtnic neighborhood in Chicago, wether it be Polish, Mexican, Spanish, Italian, etc... So this can't possibly have anything to do with a relation between immigration and poverty, it must have to do with inferiority of those "races" :upstare:.

I find it odd you only pop in here when you see another bullshit pro-zionist thread.

most of us wouldn't feel exiled and alienated in our own country
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Based on the responses in this thread from the people that live in the UK you seem to be the only one that feels that way. And I don't know what you mean by your country, most muslims currently living in the UK were born there, were they not?
 
Yes, but they tend to pack into small communities of themselves - some don't even know the language. It isn't just muslims, is the immigrant population in general. We are far to liberal when it comes to immigration.
 
The ones who bombed the buses were. Ironically, those are the same busses that now carry the "ISLAMISPEACE.ORG.UK" signs.

This thread has nothing to do with Zionism, No Limit, that's just looney-talk. Anyway, I guess Britain deserves praise for one thing - Creating a democracy so free that it's been attacked attacked by home-grown terrorists and cultural apologists, both of whom it has/is supporting financially.
 
No Limit said:
Wow, no way :eek:.

You can say the same thing about any ehtnic neighborhood in Chicago, wether it be Polish, Mexican, Spanish, Italian, etc... So this can't possibly have anything to do with a relation between immigration and poverty, it must have to do with inferiority of those "races" :upstare:.
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What poverty? Property prices in London are extortionate, an average family home in the part of town I grew up in (which would be a shoebox by American standards) would set you back well over half a million dollars, and the area has steadily gone downhill in fascinating sync with the rise of mosques and Islamic shops yet the property prices continue to skyrocket.

I find it odd you only pop in here when you see another bullshit pro-zionist thread.
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What planet do you live on? How can you possibly spin an anti-Sharia thread into a "pro-zionist" one? Seriously ****ing deluded, just as bad as Nemesis in fact. Alarmist idiots come in both blue and red...

Based on the responses in this thread from the people that live in the UK you seem to be the only one that feels that way.
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How exactly do you come to that conclusion?

And I don't know what you mean by your country, most muslims currently living in the UK were born there, were they not?
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Doesn't make them British just because the passport says so.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
Yes, but they tend to pack into small communities of themselves - some don't even know the language. It isn't just muslims, is the immigrant population in general. We are far to liberal when it comes to immigration.
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I agree with you, but it's important to note the two key differences between Muslims and other immigrant groups.
Firstly, no other immigrant group is trying to colonise the UK and turn it into a replica of their hometown, nor do you hear of Hindu terrorim, Polish terrorism, Carribean terrorism etc. Only Islam wages a war against our way of life.
Secondly, while first generation immigrants from all backgrounds tend to remain isolated, their children do not. Full integration eventually results. The same cannot be said for Islam, which is like a self-replicating cult.
 
What poverty? Property prices in London are extortionate, an average family home in the part of town I grew up in (which would be a shoebox by American standards) would set you back well over half a million dollars, and the area has steadily gone downhill in fascinating sync with the rise of mosques and Islamic shops yet the property prices continue to skyrocket.
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Maybe you want to name the parts of London you speak of so people that know the area have an idea of what you are talking about?

And if all the houses there cost that much how do so many poor immigrants migrate there if they can't afford to live there? The average home here in my city is around $400,000, it doesn't mean there aren't apartments out there that cost close to nothing. Same goes for Chicago, rent in those poor ethnic areas is much lower than the rest of the city where rent is through the roof. And when these people are that poor you will usually see multiple families in one house so they can afford that huge rent. So yes, it has everything to do with poverty and nothing to do with race or religion.

What planet do you live on? How can you possibly spin an anti-Sharia thread into a "pro-zionist" one? Seriously ****ing deluded, just as bad as Nemesis in fact. Alarmist idiots come in both blue and red...
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Because in the case of nemesis this is exactly what it is.

How exactly do you come to that conclusion?
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None of them seem to be as alarmed as you are by this pretend Islamic invasion you speak of. But I'll let them speak for themselves. Atomic_Piggy, Solaris, kirovman, and anyone else here thats from the UK, do you guys feel like you are in exile from your own country because of the muslims?

Doesn't make them British just because the passport says so.
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I think you got that backwards. Just because you say somebody isn't British because they don't have the same beliefs as you do doesn't make it so.
 
No Limit said:
None of them seem to be as alarmed as you are by this pretend Islamic invasion you speak of. But I'll let them speak for themselves. Atomic_Piggy, Solaris, kirovman, and anyone else here thats from the UK, do you guys feel like you are in exile from your own country because of the muslims?
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I'll give my own take on this, but I can't claim to be representative of anyone but myself. And I certainly can't claim to represent a Londoner's views, despite living in close proximity to there, because it's a different world really.

The only reason I could have to feel in exile would be because of the almost comical mismanagements by the government, where I feel that my abilities and talents are taken for granted by this government.
I don't live in a town with a sizeable Muslim population. The only know a couple of Muslims here, who I am friends with and they hold uber-liberal views, and come from a democratic country. They do however feel dismayed at what they perceive as arrogance by Muslims originating from Arab countries.

I used to live in Nottingham, where there were student communities and Muslim communities living side by side. There were no tensions as far as I'm aware, and I think the students were a big source of revenue in the Muslim community. There didn't seem to be significant barriers.

I do feel upset however when I see protests against things such as the Muhammed cartoons, whereas there are no protests against bin Laden's latest video or the institutional violence that takes place across the Middle East. And I don't approve of those that seek to isolate themselves from the broader society that they are living in, perhaps not respecting it because it does not share the same values.

Obviously if the same basic liberal values are not shared, there is a problem.

I'm not sure if this is because the media is reporting disproportionately though, maybe there are protests happening against that sort of thing. There was some Muslim poster campaign going around recently that denounced the attempted attacks this summer.

That went on longer than expected, but I hope it was enlightening.
 
Thanks kirovman. I think repiV's parents told him how muslims lived in his closet or under his bed. But I'll wait for others to respond before I make that judgement. Meanwhile maybe he'll help us out by pointing out exactly which areas in London have been invaded and taken over by muslims. I plan to take a trip to Europe next year to visit Poland, maybe I'll make a stop in London so I can find some of this out for myself.
 
If you want to meet Poles, there's plenty here :E

They're good lads them Poles. Except the evil Kaczyński brothers.
 
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