Shari'a in Britain

[No Limit]

If you want to meet Poles, there's plenty here :E

They're good lads them Poles. Except the evil Kaczyński brothers.

Well I was born in Poland and lived there until I was 8 so I've met plenty of crazy Polaks in my lifetime, hell I'm one of them . Going back to say hi to the family but no reason not to visit other interesting places around europe. I think I'll be visiting Amsterdam for sure. :smoking:

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

None of them seem to be as alarmed as you are by this pretend Islamic invasion you speak of. But I'll let them speak for themselves. Atomic_Piggy, Solaris, kirovman, and anyone else here thats from the UK, do you guys feel like you are in exile from your own country because of the muslims?

Well, this isn't just simply a yes/no question - where I live there are barely any muslims and those that are here are very liberal anyway - I have several as friends.

However, a trip to east london on the other hand, where muslims are at their prime, will tell you something different. There are typically run down houses. Many live off the state - MY money. Some don't even know the ****ing langauge - this makes me feel exiled because its like its not even london.

Big cities with largely muslim areas feel cut off - here you have a a well developed nation with inhabitants who don't know the language, refuse to adapt to the culture and are generally rude and disdainful. Don't get me wrong, this isn't every single muslim in the whole of britain, only a small lazy few.

So, the short answer - in some big cities, there are certain areas which feel like different countries.

 

[Solaris]

I live in burnley with a large Asian community in which their where race riots a few years back that made national news.

Only once in my life have I ever felt at the receiving side of Islamic fueled intimidation. The Muslims in Burnley are great people like anyone else but also I find them more warm and welcoming. Of course their is a bit of an integration table, Asians rarely tend to mix with whites, but thats becuase of how many racist whites there are in my town. They group for protection.

 

[No Limit]

Well, this isn't just simply a yes/no question - where I live there are barely any muslims and those that are here are very liberal anyway - I have several as friends.

However, a trip to east london on the other hand, where muslims are at their prime, will tell you something different. There are typically run down houses. Many live off the state - MY money. Some don't even know the ****ing langauge - this makes me feel exiled because its like its not even london.

Big cities with largely muslim areas feel cut off - here you have a a well developed nation with inhabitants who don't know the language, refuse to adapt to the culture and are generally rude and disdainful. Don't get me wrong, this isn't every single muslim in the whole of britain, only a small lazy few.

So, the short answer - in some big cities, there are certain areas which feel like different countries.

I can certainly accept what you are saying but are you basing what you are saying off personal experiance in those areas or just off what you hear? I know I have an image in my head of what Harlem looks like based on what my media tells me but I have never been there so I can't make a accurate judgement even if I live in the same country.

 

[repiV]

Maybe you want to name the parts of London you speak of so people that know the area have an idea of what you are talking about?

Harrow, where I've lived all my life - happens to have the largest concentration of Hindus in the entire country but also a sizeable and growing Muslim population in more recent years.
Much of East London - the boroughs of Tower Hamlets and Hackney in particular. It's difficult to name them all because London is absolutely enormous.

And if all the houses there cost that much how do so many poor immigrants migrate there if they can't afford to live there? The average home here in my city is around $400,000, it doesn't mean there aren't apartments out there that cost close to nothing. Same goes for Chicago, rent in those poor ethnic areas is much lower than the rest of the city where rent is through the roof.

You tell me - there's no such thing as an apartment that costs "close to nothing" in London. People in London don't move out until their very late 20s these days because it's prohibitively expensive. This is a country the size of Florida with a population of over 70 million (some estimates arrive at a real figure of 100 million) after all, and London is 600 square miles with a population of over 20 million.
And due to their close proximity to the financial district, property prices remain very high in Tower Hamlets and Hackney, despite them being two of the very most deprived parts of the entire country. The thing you soon learn about London is that you pay for the convinience, not the quality. In truth there are very few nice areas of London - there are far nicer places in this land - but all of London is extremely expensive to live in, no matter how depressing and run down it is.

In central London you can buy a parking space for ?50,000.

And when these people are that poor you will usually see multiple families in one house so they can afford that huge rent. So yes, it has everything to do with poverty and nothing to do with race or religion.

Or they'll get their rent paid for by the government.

Of course it has something to do with religion, you'd have to be extremely naive to think otherwise. Religion guides peoples thought processes - fact. A religion that possesses many cult-like qualities which hasn't moved on since the dark ages inspires the same lack of sense in its followers.
Only a handful of Muslims have ever won Nobel prizes, despite accounting for something like a quarter of the world's population. You do the maths.

Because in the case of nemesis this is exactly what it is.

No, this thread has nothing to do with Zionism. Stop bullshitting.

None of them seem to be as alarmed as you are by this pretend Islamic invasion you speak of. But I'll let them speak for themselves. Atomic_Piggy, Solaris, kirovman, and anyone else here thats from the UK, do you guys feel like you are in exile from your own country because of the muslims?

Pretend Islamic invasion.
In any case, I already stated that it was only partially to do with immigration, but mostly to do with this government's authoritarian attitude and the increasingly unpleasant experience of living in a nanny state where your rights and opinions are unimportant. Learn to ****ing read.

I think you got that backwards. Just because you say somebody isn't British because they don't have the same beliefs as you do doesn't make it so.

Just because someone has a British passport doesn't make them British, either. If you were born here then taken back to your home country the next day you'd technically be a British citizen, but that wouldn't make you British.
The same can be said for Muslims brought up in a vacuum in which British cultural standards do not apply. And especially for those who would like to see, secretly or otherwise, the fall of what we know as Britain.

 

[repiV]

Thanks kirovman. I think repiV's parents told him how muslims lived in his closet or under his bed. But I'll wait for others to respond before I make that judgement. Meanwhile maybe he'll help us out by pointing out exactly which areas in London have been invaded and taken over by muslims. I plan to take a trip to Europe next year to visit Poland, maybe I'll make a stop in London so I can find some of this out for myself.

I think you should get off your pedestal and realise that it's entirely possible for people to have a valid, well-thought-out opinion that contradicts your hippie belief system.

 

[No Limit]

Of course it has something to do with religion, you'd have to be extremely naive to think otherwise. Religion guides peoples thought processes - fact. A religion that possesses many cult-like qualities which hasn't moved on since the dark ages inspires the same lack of sense in its followers.

You don't know very many muslims, do you? Every muslim I have met ever has moved on to the present time. I work with a muslim, guess what, he hasn't bombed me yet. I am going to Las Vegas Thursday with a friend who is persian and was born in to a muslim family which immigrated here from Iran. No, we are not going there to blow anything up. In fact in both cases they have decent jobs, make decent money, and they haven't declared jihad against anyone (yet).

I was in high school during 9/11, there were quite a few muslims that went there too. Every single one I talked to was just as shocked as we all were about the attack.

In fact every muslim I have met in my travels has been more modern than many christians I've met. You don't hear these people preach to me how wonderful Mohamed was. I wish I could say that about many of the christians I have ran in to. How many muslims have you ran in to personally that say crazy shit about their religion? Be honest now.

I admit I have never been to the UK, but I have a really hard time believing things there are as bad as you say they are. If I am wrong tell me what these Muslims are doing to change your laws and infeltrate your government? Since you seem to think many are radical how many of those 1.5 million muslims have commited terrorist acts against you. What do you propose we should do to stop these terrorist attacks? I think you and I would both agree that muslims really are getting more radical, why do you think that is and what do you think we should do about it? Do you approve of what nemesis said, simply exile around 1 million people because you say they don't belong there? Do you think that will help the radicalization (sp?) of this religion or put it in hyperdrive?

Honestly, you have such a arrogant and stereotypical view of muslims and their culture that I have a hard time having a rational argument with you about this.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

No limit its from personal experiance. When I was very little I used to live in london, and have since moved away. However, every now and then I go back to visit old friends. One of them lives in esat london. I can't remember the exact address, but I asked a passerby where it was. He responded in arabic or something. All that I asked responded in this way. Finally, one that spoke simple english directed me.

The whole place was run down, and while known of the muslims said anything (at least that I could understand) they're eyes were on me, looking darkly.

Compared to the Muslims in my town, who, as no limit said, are very friendly, these guys are freaky.

 

[soulslicer]

i sware, more and more muslims and countries with muslim people are becoming increasingly stricter in terms of their religion. I mean, look at countries like Malaysia and Indonesia, they are politically more islamic then ever before. It is also happening in the UK and west, I really wonder what is causing this..

 

[repiV]

You don't know very many muslims, do you? Every muslim I have met ever has moved on to the present time. I work with a muslim, guess what, he hasn't bombed me yet. I am going to Las Vegas Thursday with a friend who is persian and was born in to a muslim family which immigrated here from Iran. No, we are not going there to blow anything up. In fact in both cases they have decent jobs, make decent money, and they haven't declared jihad against anyone (yet).

I was in high school during 9/11, there were quite a few muslims that went there too. Every single one I talked to was just as shocked as we all were about the attack.

So what? This proves nothing.
Hey, since we're throwing around personal anecdotes, I had a friend in college who was born in Iraq and moved here at the age of five. Stereotypically English, much more so than I - then he went to Jordan to study for his CCNA (why he chose Jordan I have no idea) - I spoke to him in the early days, he said he hated it there - completely lawless, couldn't wait to be back home.
Over the next 18 months he turned into some kind of extremist nutcase and called himself a "soldier of the army of the Mehdi". I had to report him to MI5 in the end, and they have called me on more than one occassion since to ask for clarification on certain issues.

In fact every muslim I have met in my travels has been more modern than many christians I've met. You don't hear these people preach to me how wonderful Mohamed was. I wish I could say that about many of the christians I have ran in to. How many muslims have you ran in to personally that say crazy shit about their religion? Be honest now.

Ah, I get it. It's okay to slate Christians, but not Muslims. I can just imagine the jibes you'd get here if you claimed that Christians are all modern, friendly, have good jobs and just like anyone else on this planet...
Have you ever considered that the Muslims that aren't "modern" wouldn't associate with you in the first place, and that you live in the worldwide capital of Christian fanaticism, and your experience of Christianity does not apply outside of your own borders?

I admit I have never been to the UK, but I have a really hard time believing things there are as bad as you say they are. If I am wrong tell me what these Muslims are doing to change your laws and infeltrate your government?

Well, for a start I have to take my motorcycle helmet off when I walk into a bank but a woman would not have to remove her veil. That veil which, incidentally, is an affront to British culture and the way we do things.
Special school uniforms and meals for Muslim pupils.
Muslim schools and special allowances for Muslims at school.
Try the fact that mosques are hotbeds of extremism (estimates up to 50% of them), the insularity and vitrolic refusal to accept our way of life of Muslim "communities".
While you're at it, read this "proposal" from the Muslim Council of Britain on what we should do to better accomodate Muslim pupils in school. It's almost comical: Clicky
Every other immigrant group accepts that we do things a certain way. These are not immigrants, they are colonists.

Since you seem to think many are radical how many of those 1.5 million muslims have commited terrorist acts against you.

What a trite and narrow-minded question. Of far greater concern is the poll commissioned by the BBC of all places, the hotbed of kooky lefties, showing that a sizable percentage of British Muslims support Islamic terrorism against the West. I think it was 18% of them that believed the London Underground bombers were martyrs, and around 45% that agreed suicide bombings were justified.

What do you propose we should do to stop these terrorist attacks? I think you and I would both agree that muslims really are getting more radical, why do you think that is and what do you think we should do about it? Do you approve of what nemesis said, simply exile around 1 million people because you say they don't belong there? Do you think that will help the radicalization (sp?) of this religion or put it in hyperdrive?

The radicalisation of Islam is only a concern so long as we allow them to have influence. The biggest threat is that we have a significant population of Muslims already here, they breed far more quickly than people of Western descent and in 50 years it's entirely conceivable that the population of the UK will be over 50% Muslim. Combine that with the radical preachers and isolation, and we could well see a situation where a civil war erupts between most Muslims and everyone else (including the good Muslims). Our current approach is simple appeasement, in much the way of Neville Chamberlain.
If they aren't within our shores, there's nothing they can do to us. We could crush the entire Islamic world with ease, were it necessary, but when they gain political acceptance within our own country then that is what makes them dangerous and that is how they will defeat us some day.
So, yes, get them out. The only Muslims who should be here are those who want to escape the culture they came from, not replicate it. If you need any further proof that cultural imperialism is their aim then do a little research on Islam in the UK, in particular the East London mega-mosque (can you imagine, the largest place of worship in a Christian nation being a mosque funded by extremist Saudi sects and actually opposed by many of the decent Muslims themselves?)

Honestly, you have such a arrogant and stereotypical view of muslims and their culture that I have a hard time having a rational argument with you about this.

I don't care for the nuances of Islamic "culture", it's barbarous, backwards and illiberal. It contributes absolutely nothing to the world community and has no place whatsoever in a modern secular democracy. If that makes me arrogant and stereotypical, fine - at least I'm not a wet blanket sellout willing to sacrifice everything we stand for in order to accomodate people who have no respect for our way of life.

 

[No Limit]

So what? This proves nothing.
Hey, since we're throwing around personal anecdotes, I had a friend in college who was born in Iraq and moved here at the age of five. Stereotypically English, much more so than I - then he went to Jordan to study for his CCNA (why he chose Jordan I have no idea) - I spoke to him in the early days, he said he hated it there - completely lawless, couldn't wait to be back home.
Over the next 18 months he turned into some kind of extremist nutcase and called himself a "soldier of the army of the Mehdi". I had to report him to MI5 in the end, and they have called me on more than one occassion since to ask for clarification on certain issues.

Why jordan for a CCNA? Well maybe because they have one of the best computer science universities in the region, and its completely free.

And LOL about the MI5 thing. Sorry but I have to laugh because of the picture I have of this conversation between you and them. "Hey, MI5? I know this guy that says he doesn't like our governmnet *in a whispering voice* and he's brownish". We need James Bond quick!!!

Ah, I get it. It's okay to slate Christians, but not Muslims. I can just imagine the jibes you'd get here if you claimed that Christians are all modern, friendly, have good jobs and just like anyone else on this planet...
Have you ever considered that the Muslims that aren't "modern" wouldn't associate with you in the first place, and that you live in the worldwide capital of Christian fanaticism, and your experience of Christianity does not apply outside of your own borders?

I think chrisitans are just as crazy as Muslims and in both cases I can not understand why they believe what they believe when they don't actually follow their faith. Does this apply to all muslims and christians? Of couse not, some are totally batshit crazy and actually believe word for word what their relgion tells them. But this is a huge minority in any western country. At least muslims don't bullshit me about how Muhamed is my lord and savior.

And yes, you are right, all those extremist muslims I have never met or seen are hiding. They are all around us, we just can't see them. They live under our beds, in our closets, they are on the bus, subways, at work and they are getting ready to kill me. Ok, you convinced me, I'm terrified to the point where I want to go and throw out any muslim in this country that reads the Quran. Here is a book you will probably love:

http://www.archibaldcampbell.com/

Enjoy, I know you will.

Well, for a start I have to take my motorcycle helmet off when I walk into a bank but a woman would not have to remove her veil. That veil which, incidentally, is an affront to British culture and the way we do things.

You are right, showing your faith is a sign of defiance toward British culture because you say so. Absolutely, we can't have people displaying their faith, we should start burning all the crosses, bekishes, etc. I'm sure they came up with this clothing thousands of years ago just to piss off people like you.

The biggest threat is that we have a significant population of Muslims already here, they breed far more quickly than people of Western descent and in 50 years it's entirely conceivable that the population of the UK will be over 50% Muslim.

Wow, those mulims must really have some kind of special reproductive system like you said. I mean shit, to multiply from 1.5 million to 50 million (assuming population of UK will be 100 million by then) in 40 short years will take a shit load of ****ing. If this is the case how can you possibly see any of these muslims out on the street? They must all be in their bedrooms making babies 24/7. In fact I just did some basic math. If those 1.5 million muslims right now have 3 kids each and their kids have 3 kids each we are looking at 13.5 more muslims. So I'm sure saying that will make up 50% of the population isn't alarmist in one bit.

But just to be safe you better start reproducing repiv, it is your patriotic duty to do so, we dont want all those brown people running around unchallanged.

I don't care for the nuances of Islamic "culture", it's barbarous, backwards and illiberal. It contributes absolutely nothing to the world community and has no place whatsoever in a modern secular democracy. If that makes me arrogant and stereotypical, fine - at least I'm not a wet blanket sellout willing to sacrifice everything we stand for in order to accomodate people who have no respect for our way of life.

Yes, you are stereotypical, border line, racist. You have such a irrational and arrogant view of what the muslim religion in the west is that I really can't argue with you here. I will say again, I have never met a single radical muslim in this country and in the parts of Europe I've been to (germany, poland, and france). All the people that posted here that actually live in the UK haven't personally met one of these eighter. Atomic_Piggy is the only one that doesn't flat out contradict you but his experiance was more on the lines of muslims looking at thim funny, not threatening him in any way. You are delusional and you are part of the problem that continues to radicalize this otherwise calm religion. People like you claiming these people are barbaric, evil and should be thrown out of your country is only making things worse, why you can't seem to understand that is extremely hypocritical. You have a small gorup of muslim extremists thats lounder than the rest yelling how evil white people are. On the exact opposite end you have a small group of white people like yourselfs yelling how evil muslims are. You and nemesis and all these other extremists (including muslims) should get on a boat somewhere where you can hate eachother without bothering the rest of us.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Can I just say that all the muslims in my town are some of the nicest, kindest people I know.

 

[.Wolf.]

Can I just say that all the muslims in my town are some of the nicest, kindest people I know.

i agree. [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcMLJ4kjtXg[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Raziaar]

There's probably more mosques in 100 square miles of where I live in Texas than there are in the entirety of britain.

I know of one just three blocks away, and another about twelve.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

That video makes me want to vomit.

 

[No Limit]

There's probably more mosques in 100 square miles of where I live in Texas than there are in the entirety of britain.

I know of one just three blocks away, and another about twelve.

And do you feel like you are in exile? have you ever met a radical muslim?

I live in Albuquerque with a population of around 500,000. I know there are quite a bit of mosques here but honestly I can't recall a single one, maybe I never paid attention when I've driven by one.

 

[No Limit]

Can I just say that all the muslims in my town are some of the nicest, kindest people I know.

Like I said above, one of my best friends is persian with a muslim background. His dad was born in Iran and he is still a muslim, this guy is awesome. He is paying for our trip to Vegas tomorrow. Complete with food, drinks, hotel stay, and the car to get up there. Must be some evil terrorist plot that they have, I mean what kind of true muslim goes to sin city? You guys might all want to stay away from Vegas for the next 4 days, with this muslim around it might get dangerous. :upstare:

 

[Raziaar]

And do you feel like you are in exile? have you ever met a radical muslim?

I live in Albuquerque with a population of around 500,000. I know there are quite a bit of mosques here but honestly I can't recall a single one, maybe I never paid attention when I've driven by one.

No... but then again as far as I can tell there's no muslim population around here. People who are muslims don't generally dress up, at least out in public. I speak of the women of course.

Then again, it is texas... but still, it's texas... and there's a shitload of mosques around here.

 

[kirovman]

No... but then again as far as I can tell there's no muslim population around here. People who are muslims don't generally dress up, at least out in public. I speak of the women of course.

Then again, it is texas... but still, it's texas... and there's a shitload of mosques around here.

lol, no Muslim population but shitloads of Mosques?

You crazy Texans.

Do you build Roman forums for your non-existent Roman population too?

 

[Raziaar]

lol, no Muslim population but shitloads of Mosques?

You crazy Texans.

Do you build Roman forums for your non-existent Roman population too?

What I meant was, that there are mosques but the muslim population isn't really noticeable. They blend in with everybody else... and really I think that's the way it should be. Though they're probably doing it out of fear of criticism more than anything, but still. They're not really going out there and forcing their presence to be known.


Or... the mosques could be there as a trap, to lure muslims in and then they trap and kill them.

That wouldn't "not" be the texan way.

 

[No Limit]

What I meant was, that there are mosques but the muslim population isn't really noticeable. They blend in with everybody else... and really I think that's the way it should be. Though they're probably doing it out of fear of criticism more than anything, but still. They're not really going out there and forcing their presence to be known.


Or... the mosques could be there as a trap, to lure muslims in and then they trap and kill them.

That wouldn't "not" be the texan way.

But see thats the whole thing. What most people dont understand that just like christianity islam has become much more modern. Even if you go to places like Iran you won't see women totally covered. I have seen personal pictures from there, it looks virtually like any other city anywhere else in the world. The reason muslims blend in to your society is because they are part of your society. Some of the women still choose to wear that head cover that doesn't cover their entire face but its more of a scarf (Im sorry but I cant remember the name of it right now) because of their culture. But you will be hard pressed to find anyone that takes it further than that and covers their entire body. And even if some of them still do that it doesn't mean they are barbarians as certain people around here would like you to believe. I've had the pleasure of dealing with quite a few muslims and as everyone else here has said they have been great, kind, people. This notion that they haven't become modern like the rest of the religions is total bullshit. Are there exceptions? Of course there are, but this is true for all religions and all cultures.

 

[No Limit]

I'll make one more quick addition to this. A lot of people are shocked when they see pictures of Iran. So a quick google search turned up this:

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/

As I said, looks like any other large city in the world. And these muslims look like regular old people, thats why you cant notice them:

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/photo464.html

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/photo663.html

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/photo1449.html

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/photo2126.html

 

[Raziaar]

The backwards mentality of the muslim communities generally doesn't happen in the west. It happens in their home countries in the middle east and other parts of the world. I talk about public stonings for not so serious crimes, etc.

These things exist, it doesn't help the situation to deny it, but still I agree with what you're saying... over here in the western world muslims generally conform to society and integrate. I'll be damned if I let them turn my government some day into a theocracy though.

 

[No Limit]

The backwards mentality of the muslim communities generally doesn't happen in the west. It happens in their home countries in the middle east and other parts of the world. I talk about public stonings for not so serious crimes, etc.

These things exist, it doesn't help the situation to deny it, but still I agree with what you're saying... over here in the western world muslims generally conform to society and integrate. I'll be damned if I let them turn my government some day into a theocracy though.

And I'm certainly not denying it. But even in the middle east they were becoming more modern, check out those pictures of Iran. It wasn't too long ago that most people in Iran like most of the middle east had a favorable view of Americans, it wasn't until we started sticking our noses in to their business that this changed. And the more of this that we do the more we are reversing this trend of modernization. So I absolutely agree that we should not deny that this extremism in the middle east does exist, but we should also not deny the causes of this extremism. Saying we should start exiling muslims like repiv and nemesis want is not going to help these people become moderates.

 

[repiV]

Why jordan for a CCNA? Well maybe because they have one of the best computer science universities in the region, and its completely free.

And LOL about the MI5 thing. Sorry but I have to laugh because of the picture I have of this conversation between you and them. "Hey, MI5? I know this guy that says he doesn't like our governmnet *in a whispering voice* and he's brownish". We need James Bond quick!!!

Laugh all you want, it's not exactly funny. Excuse me for reporting someone who is potentially a terrorist or has links with terrorist organisations to our intelligence services. There must have been something in it as they called me up three times to find out more information.

I think chrisitans are just as crazy as Muslims and in both cases I can not understand why they believe what they believe when they don't actually follow their faith. Does this apply to all muslims and christians? Of couse not, some are totally batshit crazy and actually believe word for word what their relgion tells them. But this is a huge minority in any western country. At least muslims don't bullshit me about how Muhamed is my lord and savior.

And yes, you are right, all those extremist muslims I have never met or seen are hiding. They are all around us, we just can't see them. They live under our beds, in our closets, they are on the bus, subways, at work and they are getting ready to kill me. Ok, you convinced me, I'm terrified to the point where I want to go and throw out any muslim in this country that reads the Quran. Here is a book you will probably love:

http://www.archibaldcampbell.com/

Enjoy, I know you will.

Well, how the **** would you know that someone is not an extremist just by talking to them or walking past them in the street anyway? They're not exactly going to advertise the fact. A more reliable indicator would be the figures from the BBC poll along with many over events occuring in our society. Deny it if you want, but drop the sanctimonious ****ing bullshit. For someone occupying a camp that always claims the "tolerance" card, your tolerance certainly doesn't extend to people with different opinions from you (unless they want to bring down the West in some way).

You are right, showing your faith is a sign of defiance toward British culture because you say so. Absolutely, we can't have people displaying their faith, we should start burning all the crosses, bekishes, etc. I'm sure they came up with this clothing thousands of years ago just to piss off people like you.

No, actually covering your face is considered very offensive and suspicious in British culture. It's also a symbol of extremism and oppression and women who wear the veil shouldn't complain when they get shunned by the rest of us.

Wow, those mulims must really have some kind of special reproductive system like you said. I mean shit, to multiply from 1.5 million to 50 million (assuming population of UK will be 100 million by then) in 40 short years will take a shit load of ****ing. If this is the case how can you possibly see any of these muslims out on the street? They must all be in their bedrooms making babies 24/7. In fact I just did some basic math. If those 1.5 million muslims right now have 3 kids each and their kids have 3 kids each we are looking at 13.5 more muslims. So I'm sure saying that will make up 50% of the population isn't alarmist in one bit.

Right, because there is no further immigration to factor in either.

But just to be safe you better start reproducing repiv, it is your patriotic duty to do so, we dont want all those brown people running around unchallanged.

Grow up.

Yes, you are stereotypical, border line, racist. You have such a irrational and arrogant view of what the muslim religion in the west is that I really can't argue with you here. I will say again, I have never met a single radical muslim in this country and in the parts of Europe I've been to (germany, poland, and france). All the people that posted here that actually live in the UK haven't personally met one of these eighter. Atomic_Piggy is the only one that doesn't flat out contradict you but his experiance was more on the lines of muslims looking at thim funny, not threatening him in any way. You are delusional and you are part of the problem that continues to radicalize this otherwise calm religion. People like you claiming these people are barbaric, evil and should be thrown out of your country is only making things worse, why you can't seem to understand that is extremely hypocritical. You have a small gorup of muslim extremists thats lounder than the rest yelling how evil white people are. On the exact opposite end you have a small group of white people like yourselfs yelling how evil muslims are. You and nemesis and all these other extremists (including muslims) should get on a boat somewhere where you can hate eachother without bothering the rest of us.

You can't possibly say that you've never met a Muslim extremist, that's as absurd as someone claiming they've never met a gay person. They wouldn't tell you they're a Muslim extremist.
I'm certainly not a racist, and opposing Islam has absolutely NOTHING to do with race. I think things through quite logically and give you reasons, you just come up with all this ad-hominem "racist" bullshit. If you think I'm an extremist, you're more of a complete ****ing idiot than I thought - and it's bitterly ironic how one moment you say that Christians and Muslims are equally insane, the next you're defending Islam and the "calm religion" that it is (LOL).
They're obviously not equal in your eyes, you hate Christianity but you don't hate Islam. Otherwise you wouldn't defend Islam at every opportunity, and certainly I've never seen you praise Christianity for anything. You need to get a grip.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I don't understand where this thread went with regards to their modernisation, integration, etc. Honestly, who gives a f***...it still doesn't change the mindset of nearly half of the Muslim population in the UK.

And, No limit, just bear with me for a moment...devils advocate here. If we're discussing the modernisation/integration of Islam and the individual Muslim, where does the need for Sharia Law come into play?? Again, this is nearly half of the Muslim population in the UK. And, please understand, I know that there are many facets of Sharia Law that are harmless, and could probably be implemented anywhere...but there are also facets that are so backward and bat-shit crazy that you MUST question the rationale behind whomever decides to live their life by it.

I'd really be interested in a similar poll in the area I'm currently living...Dearborn/Detroit, MI.

 

[No Limit]

repiV, one again this is going nowhere fast, I think I'm done here, I have a vacation to get ready for. For the record I was born catholic, my entire family is still catholic. I gave up this shitty christian religion a few years ago, but you don't see me calling my family and anyone else that still practices it barbaric. Labeling an entire group of people because of how naive they are barbaric, or uncivilized, or evil, would be idiotic. Wouldn't it?

I don't understand where this thread went with regards to their modernisation, integration, etc. Honestly, who gives a f***...it still doesn't change the mindset of nearly half of the Muslim population in the UK.

And, No limit, just bear with me for a moment...devils advocate here. If we're discussing the modernisation/integration of Islam and the individual Muslim, where does the need for Sharia Law come into play?? Again, this is nearly half of the Muslim population in the UK. And, please understand, I know that there are many facets of Sharia Law that are harmless, and could probably be implemented anywhere...but there are also facets that are so backward and bat-shit crazy that you MUST question the rationale behind whomever decides to live their life by it.

I'd really be interested in a similar poll in the area I'm currently living...Dearborn/Detroit, MI.

40% is bad, sure. But it is no different than the mindset of any other religion. The funny thing is that you don't see these same polls being conducted with christians or other western religions. If you polled christians I bet you an alarming percentage would support hurting gay people, they would support turning this country in to a christian state, they would support going around the world converting people to christianity with violance, etc, etc, etc. These people are all crazy and I hope that I will see a day in my life that religion is virtually nonexistant. But I'm not going to sit here and worry about how these people think unless I see them acting on it, and contrary to what some will have you believe nobody is acting on it. 40% want Shari'a law in Britain, how many of those 40% have acted on this? When I asked repiV this his response was they are reproducing. So ****ing what? They have not tried to change any laws in their government and they are not terrorists.

But the louder the extremists like repiv get the louder the extremists in Islam will get. So people that want to exile them, bomb them, force them to give up their religion probably scare me more than that 40%, because it is those people that are making that 40% more extreme with each day that passes. Like I said, I wish they would all go on a boat somewhere and stop dragging you and me in the middle of this senseless bullshit.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

40% is bad, sure. But it is no different than the mindset of any other religion. The funny thing is that you don't see these same polls being conducted with christians or other western religions. If you polled christians I bet you an alarming percentage would support hurting gay people, they would support turning this country in to a christian state, they would support going around the world converting people to christianity with violance, etc, etc, etc.

These polls are conducted regularly. See your post from before mentioning Christians and beliefs on separation of church and state...just as damning as any other poll based on religious beliefs. I'm sure you can find many more if you search. Further, I don't disagree that the results are equally eye-opening. Religion has an unfortunate habit of terribly altering and skewing perception. BUT, lets be clear that the reason that Muslims get more looks as a result of said polls is because many of those things you mentioned above ARE currently acted upon in the Muslim world in the name of their God/beliefs. Gays are executed, still. Muslim states still exist. There are STILL conversions by the sword.

But I'm not going to sit here and worry about how these people think unless I see them acting on it, and contrary to what some will have you believe nobody is acting on it. 40% want Shari'a law in Britain, how many of those 40% have acted on this? When I asked repiV this his response was they are reproducing. So ****ing what? They have not tried to change any laws in their government and they are not terrorists.

I don't think anyone here believes that they will act upon it in the UK. No one. Again, the point is...Sharia Law still exists in the world. You can still see what occurs as a result of those laws....YET, people are still of the mindset that it's an OK way to live your life. That thought process is a concern to me....not from a "you're a terrorist perspective", but more from a "you're so anti-social that you don't realize you're a walking human-rights violation". It's a very skewed and extreme view. That's all. It probably wouldn't get another glance if you didn't have states in the MIddle East and elsewhere currently acting upon and enforcing Sharia Law...it's the mere fact that it's institutionalized in that manner it is...it's law...it's a way of life. Disturbing to me.

Like I said, I wish they would all go on a boat somewhere and stop dragging you and me in the middle of this senseless bullshit.

QFT.

 

[Solaris]

Let's recognize that not all religions are equally bad. Harris demonstrates this fantastically by telling us in his book the End of faith (read it) that if we look at Janes, who's core principle is non-violence. That extremist Jane's do not exist and if they do, they get less troublesome by definition.

We do not have the problem with Christianity where large amounts of Christians are supporting those who would kill non-believers and impose Sharia law. Christianity has in it's history gone through the enlightenment and sustained heavy attacks from secularist and science movements over the past centuries. Islam has not endured this. 'Christian Countries' at the moment are places of free speech and secularist democracies with some still very upsetting exceptions: Creationism in schools; one county under god ect.

Islamic countries are places where blasphemy can be punished by death (even in Afganistan - a democracy) where women are oppressed, homosexuals hanged and free speech non existant. All the blame for this lies with Islam, it is simply more evil - and that's the only word to describe people such as the Taliban. Islam is non compatible with democracy, we can see this with the statistics posted showing the significant proportion of UK Muslims who support such terrible things as Sharia law.

If Muslims are going to integrate into western society as a large percentage of the population we absolutely must secularise them. This means the abolishment of faith schools. That is absolutely fundamental. We need to shut down Mosques that all extremist speakers and literature that is incompatible with a free society. The fate of the free world depends upon it.

 

[kirovman]

The voices in Blair's head told him to increase funding for faith schools.

In fact his target was to get every child into a faith school by 2020.

 

[Raziaar]

We need to shut down Mosques that all extremist speakers and literature that is incompatible with a free society. The fate of the free world depends upon it.

Umm... mosque's are their equivalent of churches. Honestly, you can't expect tolerance if you don't show tolerance yourselves. Show tolerance to the ones who aren't radical, and show impatience and intolerance those who are extremist in their ideologies if those ideologies should infringe upon others.

 

[Solaris]

Umm... mosque's are their equivalent of churches. Honestly, you can't expect tolerance if you don't show tolerance yourselves. Show tolerance to the ones who aren't radical, and show impatience and intolerance those who are extremist in their ideologies if those ideologies should infringe upon others.

I mean only the Mosques that allow such speakers to speak there.
God hates fags churches wouldnt be allowed here.

 

[Raziaar]

God hates fags churches wouldnt be allowed here.

I wish somebody would just go domestic terrorist on their asses already.

 

[Mr Stabby]

I mean only the Mosques that allow such speakers to speak there.
God hates fags churches wouldnt be allowed here.

Ironically the God hates fags crowd wouldn't be allowed here because we don't have true freedom of speech, as we don't allow people to say nasty things.

 

[kirovman]

yeah, if you joke about bombs in an airport you get 8 hours in detention and an anal probe.

 

[repiV]

repiV, one again this is going nowhere fast, I think I'm done here, I have a vacation to get ready for. For the record I was born catholic, my entire family is still catholic. I gave up this shitty christian religion a few years ago, but you don't see me calling my family and anyone else that still practices it barbaric. Labeling an entire group of people because of how naive they are barbaric, or uncivilized, or evil, would be idiotic. Wouldn't it?

Well there's no reasoning with you either, because you do nothing but play the same tired old "racist" and "extremist" cards, not because I am either of these things but because you are intolerant of people who actually hold minority groups accountable for their actions.
Of course not all Muslims are barbaric, uncivilised and evil. Islam, however, is barbaric, uncivilised, and evil - and a strong political force. One which must be excluded from this country. Germans are generally good people, but we didn't let them come in and create Nazi pressure groups during the Second World War..

 

[repiV]

Let's recognize that not all religions are equally bad. Harris demonstrates this fantastically by telling us in his book the End of faith (read it) that if we look at Janes, who's core principle is non-violence. That extremist Jane's do not exist and if they do, they get less troublesome by definition.

We do not have the problem with Christianity where large amounts of Christians are supporting those who would kill non-believers and impose Sharia law. Christianity has in it's history gone through the enlightenment and sustained heavy attacks from secularist and science movements over the past centuries. Islam has not endured this. 'Christian Countries' at the moment are places of free speech and secularist democracies with some still very upsetting exceptions: Creationism in schools; one county under god ect.

Islamic countries are places where blasphemy can be punished by death (even in Afganistan - a democracy) where women are oppressed, homosexuals hanged and free speech non existant. All the blame for this lies with Islam, it is simply more evil - and that's the only word to describe people such as the Taliban. Islam is non compatible with democracy, we can see this with the statistics posted showing the significant proportion of UK Muslims who support such terrible things as Sharia law.

If Muslims are going to integrate into western society as a large percentage of the population we absolutely must secularise them. This means the abolishment of faith schools. That is absolutely fundamental. We need to shut down Mosques that all extremist speakers and literature that is incompatible with a free society. The fate of the free world depends upon it.

Exactly.

 

[Gunner]

I'll make one more quick addition to this. A lot of people are shocked when they see pictures of Iran. So a quick google search turned up this:

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/

As I said, looks like any other large city in the world. And these muslims look like regular old people, thats why you cant notice them:

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/photo464.html

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/photo663.html

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/photo1449.html

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/98910/photo2126.html

You are so pathetically ignorant it makes me want to vomit.

 

[staticprimer]

Of course not all Muslims are barbaric, uncivilised and evil. Islam, however, is barbaric, uncivilised, and evil - and a strong political force. One which must be excluded from this country.

Calling the entirety of the Islamic "barbaric, uncivilized, and evil" is just ignorant. Early Islam was far from these traits that you have taken upon yourself to apply to it. It was known for being tolerant towards other religions, which at the time was remarkable compared to persecutions, burnings, etc that were occurring at the same time in Europe (Muhommed even had a law in Medina that Jews were to be treated as civil human beings). Islam has given the world many great thinkers, primarily in the areas of math and history, but we tend not to hear about them due to East vs. West conflict that has been going on for so many centuries. That said, the more extremist elements of Islam can be described by those attributes, and I have no problem with that. Extremists of any movement or religion can adopt barbaric, uncivilized and evil methods and ways of thinking. In short, what I am saying is that the people and their interpretation of scripture are what is "barbaric, uncivilized, and evil", not the religion itself.

 

[No Limit]

You are so pathetically ignorant it makes me want to vomit.

Ever been to Iran? Didn't think so.