Shotgun not good enough?

[Tantalus]

This post was inspired by Cons himself .

 

[ktimekiller]

both too weak

 

[SkylineGT-R34]

Definitely too weak, both primery and secondary, a blast in the face should kill wether its primary or secondary.

 

[Flyingdebris]

give it 2 more shots and it will be fine

 

[MÆST]

I fondly remember an occasion where I snuck up on this guy and unleased a double barrel blow to the back of his head. He then proceeded to turn around and shoot me in the foot with the 357. I died, he didn't. Good stuff.

(I voted both too weak)

 

[bliink]

It needs more ammo I say, another 2 rounds in the max load would help (so, from 6 to 8)

 

[Hazar]

I think it needs the 8 shells in the chamber, and the secondary fire beefed up considerably.

 

[Tantalus]

I agree, both are too weak, and it should be 8 shot, like in the first game...

 

[Dr. Freeman]

i feel both are weak, plus as bliink pointed out, max shells need to be increased too.
i hope some things get changed real soon tho.. :|

 

[Tantalus]

Alternate fire at point blank range should kill no matter what.


It doesn't.

 

[HadouKen24]

I wouldn't say "no matter what." It should take two hits if they're at 100 armor, and they should be able to just barely survive three if they're at 200.

BTW, I saw someone survive two of my magnum shots. He had just come from lockdown's charger, so I bet he had 100 health and 200 armor. He didn't have much left after that, though, went down real quick.

 

[Tantalus]

I wouldn't say "no matter what." It should take two hits if they're at 100 armor, and they should be able to just barely survive three if they're at 200.

BTW, I saw someone survive two of my magnum shots. He had just come from lockdown's charger, so I bet he had 100 health and 200 armor. He didn't have much left after that, though, went down real quick.

Yeah, with 100-200 you can take a lot, but if those shot were to the head, I bet he would've died.

 

[SkylineGT-R34]

90% of the time NO ONE has 100 armor, and it takes 3-4 headshots with shotty to kill someone, and 2-3 with secondary (anywhere), it shouldnt be this way, one shot in the head with shotty should kill you or atleast take you down to 10-20hp considering you had 100hp, seconday should kill you instantly if it hits you above wasit.

 

[Edge]

give it 2 more shots and it will be fine

Who would have known how appropriate your name would be in HL2DM when ya picked it

 

[HadouKen24]

90% of the time NO ONE has 100 armor, and it takes 3-4 headshots with shotty to kill someone, and 2-3 with secondary (anywhere), it shouldnt be this way, one shot in the head with shotty should kill you or atleast take you down to 10-20hp considering you had 100hp, seconday should kill you instantly if it hits you above wasit.

If you're close enough, yes. I think it's perfect at medium range (no one uses it for long range...), but I think we all agree it needs to be beefed up at close range.

Yeah, with 100-200 you can take a lot, but if those shot were to the head, I bet he would've died.

Yeah, I've taken magnum shots myself at 100-200 (not two, though took the guy down first). I tried for a headshot, but he kept jumping around, so I hit him in the torso.

 

[Tantalus]

If you're close enough, yes. I think it's perfect at medium range (no one uses it for long range...), but I think we all agree it needs to be beefed up at close range.

I actually is surprisingly good for long distance... still not that great, though.

 

[Flyingdebris]

Who would have known how appropriate your name would be in HL2DM when ya picked it

yeah i've had this name for years, i picked it back when i played the old 3D0 road rash game (the PC port) due to my tendency to smash into road signs and go flying.

So i gather its been a good 6 or 7 years of using the name flyingdebris, it was originally flyingdebrisguy, but i streamlined it a tad

Oh right, shotgun. Maybe adding a few more pellets to each blast would help in addition to the 2 extra shells.

 

[Jenga]

even just giving 2 more shells in the magazine would be a big improvement

 

[HadouKen24]

I actually is surprisingly good for long distance... still not that great, though.

It was a pleasant surprise for me, too. It's nothing like the Doom 3 shotgun, excellent up close, but useless more than four yards out.

Y'know what's fun? Trying to be a shotgun sniper. Difficult, but worth it.

 

[Tantalus]

It was a pleasant surprise for me, too. It's nothing like the Doom 3 shotgun, excellent up close, but useless more than four yards out.

Y'know what's fun? Trying to be a shotgun sniper. Difficult, but worth it.

This is a good strategy, because it isn't expected.

 

[-=DarKnight=-]

i dont think people really understand the shotguns use here, its more of a finnishing weapon, fire off 32 rounds of SMG fire into some, then pull out ya shotgun, an blow there ****ing heads off, they die simply enough (generally though i kill ppl just with SMG fire, but thats not the point) still, i have no trouble killing people with shotgun

 

[killerteoz]

both too weak

 

[joule]

The shotgun is fine. Leave it be. Stop complaining. Hell, I'm lethal with any weapon.

 

[Fatality_]

increase the max shells and itll be ok

 

[wibblemonster]

Shotty is a tad too weak, I have pumped several rounds into enemies at close range & not killed them.

On the other hand the Magnum really needs nerfing (but not too much)

I just think a close quarters blast from the shotty should equal instant death, armour or no armour.

 

[Goatman88]

i think that with little or no armor, the primary fire should kill in 1 shot above waist. With 100 armor, the secondary fire should kill in 1(well 2) shots above waist. With 200 armor, itd take 3-4 shots to kill them.

 

[Asuka]

The shotgun is fine. Its perfect, its more of a finishing off weapon.

 

[Cons Himself]

so basically raziel you dont wantanything changed? face it, some things are gunna get tweaked

 

[Tantalus]

its more of a finishing off weapon.

That's what I use it for too, but it should be good for attacking.

 

[the_FNG]

two more shells plz.

 

[NikolaX]

I fondly remember an occasion where I snuck up on this guy and unleased a double barrel blow to the back of his head. He then proceeded to turn around and shoot me in the foot with the 357. I died, he didn't. Good stuff.

(I voted both too weak)

:thumbs:

 

[dæmon]

After HLDM, the new shotgun is painfully weak.

 

[Tantalus]

After HLDM, the new shotgun is painfully weak.

No kidding, in HLDM the shotgun was teh uberness.

 

[ray_MAN]

Aim for the head and use secondary fire. Wash, rinse, repeat as necessary. It should kill in 3 shots or less.

 

[jimmyjam]

and that doesn't seem odd to you?
3 shots with secondary fire is the whole damn clip

 

[Shakermaker]

A well placed single shot, followed by a double barrel blast usually does it for me in close quarters. Tune down the Magnum would be my advise, but that's turning into a cliché.

 

[Tantalus]

Tune down the Magnum would be my advise, but that's turning into a cliché.

Hopefully Valve will catch on...

 

[Lanthanide]

I think the best idea for the shotgun would be to add 2-3 extra pellets per shot, and increase the clip to 8. It makes it more useful from a longer range as well as making close-range more damage. Whereas if you increase the damage dealt by each pellet, it's reasonable at close range but could be unrealistically strong at long range (if 1 pellet hits across the map and takes off 20 HP, for example).

 

[Tantalus]

I think the best idea for the shotgun would be to add 2-3 extra pellets per shot, and increase the clip to 8. It makes it more useful from a longer range as well as making close-range more damage. Whereas if you increase the damage dealt by each pellet, it's reasonable at close range but could be unrealistically strong at long range (if 1 pellet hits across the map and takes off 20 HP, for example).

You have a very good point. Really. I should've thought about that.

 

[The Dark Elf]

The shotgun is fine I reckon. It's not too powerful and not too weak and the ammo just edges on the side of annoying when you run out at the wrong moment. Which a shotgun should really, for suspense, like reloading while a bunch of zombies are getting closer and cornering you in some ally.