Should homosexual marrige be allowed in Australia?

[Jintor]

I suppose the non-supporters of gay marraige are the "bad guys" now, that's an example of a personal attack fallacy, to attack my/others opinions by presenting no facts to back up their feelings that anti-gay marraige people are doing everything wrong, honestly what's the deal?

Equality sounds good to me, and an attempt to supress equality sounds bad to me.

But I'm a layman.

 

[sinkoman]

Hmm.

I think it'd be kinda interesting to see a "Gay" epidemic.

Would be nice to see society turn on itself for a while.

"HAHA WHO GOT CAUGHT WITH HIS PANTS DOWN NOW?" Says the gays.

"But we weren't done discriminating you!" Says the straights.

Straights shall think for a few months...

"Please let us marry D:".

 

[Mr Stabby]

You're right they didn't make it up, good job; however you took it out of context,(fallacy of quoting out of context) you try to find examples in history that our "modern" culture doesn't accept any more. Even in that reference Jesus later says that the non-sinner cast the first stone, and no one does, not even himself; instead he went to the lady and helped her off the ground. He went about doing what he did because he was teaching them a lesson, none of us are sin-free. But if you want to bring up how people are hated, the problem is more or less widespread, why don't we just have a look at christianity in the same time period? I don't think I have to step into that area.

I didn't take it out of context I quoted directly from a looney christian site, they may have taken it out of context, I don't know but I can't really see a context that fully negates the content of that quotation. It sounds very strongly anti-gay IMO.

I'm aware the bible is full of contradictions so anyone can use it to justify any belief.

I don't see the relevance of persecution of christians 2000 years ago, becuase christians have suffered persecution it's ok for christians to persecute others ? An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth...that's the old testament.

 

[Raeven0]

There's no hardcore evidence supporting either side, just opinions that some people are using to "brainwash" other people. I suppose the non-supporters of gay marraige are the "bad guys" now, that's an example of a personal attack fallacy, to attack my/others opinions by presenting no facts to back up their feelings that anti-gay marraige people are doing everything wrong, honestly what's the deal?

Yeah, because this thread definitely doesn't hold any solid answers as to why gays should get their marriage:

I think being gay is gross, but thats me, I'm not gay, I'm sure some gay people think being straight is gross, but thats them, they aren't straight.

there are regular marriages that are so far past the point of FUBARed anyway. I don't see how gay marriges can make it any worse.

I say let them marry.

On the subject of gay couples producing gay children:
1: The obvious one, give us evidence.
2: Due to the fact that there are a more gay couples than straight couples then obviously the gay offspiring will be a minority compared to the straight offspring. So gayness wouldn't become an 'epidemic' unless most straight people stopped having children while more gay people had them.
3: Is there something wrong with producing gay children?

i don't see why a straight couple should get special treatment over a gay couple. therefore, the principle of equality means that all couples should be allow to be called married, both colloquially and legally.

the idea of "marriage" for straight people, and "civil union" for gay people is called marital segregation. it's the same thing as washrooms for white people and washrooms for black people. the phrase "equal, but different" is a contradiction in terms.

gay marriage does not 'hurt society' or 'hurt children'. i think it is completely reasonable and fair that straight parents generally produce straight children, and therefore gay parents should, perhaps, generally produce gay children. it works both ways. and there is nothing wrong with this.

as for hurting society, that's just plain ridiculous. i think, the only thing it does is threaten straight people's sexuality indirectly by putting them in the same class as gay people. they are trying to preserve the distinction as an elitist clique for heteros.

So what you're saying is, basically:

1. Marriage should be about values such as commitment, sacrafice and devotion.
2. These values cannot exist without procreation.
3. Since homosexuals cannot procreate, these values cannot exist within their relationships.
4. Therefore, homosexual relationships are based only on lust.
5. Therefore, homosexuals should not marry.

Frankly, that's absolute bullshit.

He puts his shaft in that guys hole.

That guy doesn't mind, he likes it, so he gets it done to him.

You on the other hand, DON'T like getting shafted in your hole, therefore, it doesn't get done to you.

Is there any sort of conflict of interests? NO!

Likewise, he marries a guy, cause the guy wants it.

You marry a girl, cause the girl wants it.

Any sort of conflict between your interests and his interests? FECKIN' NO!

The only reason anything becomes law, is because of conflicting interests. That guy shoots you. You don't want to get shot. There's a conflict between your wants and his wants, therefore, there's a barrier put between them.

Gay marriage on the other hand, offers NO cross between what the hetero and homosexuals want.

Any reason for a law? NO!

Instead, im going to direct you to the logical fallacy thread. Read it, and try to understand it (assuming your bigoted cesspit of a mind can handle proper debating techniques) before trying to contribute any further.

Problem:

"I DISLIKE PEDOPHILES AND BESTIALISTS"

Solution:

"PERSECUTE RANDOM UNRELATED MINORITIES. ALSO FREE HANDJOBS FOR IDIOTS"

I have to ask, what exactly are gay men and women doing to gather all this hatred towards them from the people of the world ?

• Are they infecting children with syringes filled with the "essence" of gayness to make them gay ? No, they are not.
• Are they actively seeking out and killing straight people to make the entire world gay ? No, they are not.
• Are they planning to do any sort of attack on the straight community as a gay community ? No, they are not.

Even if they are a pack of abominations, or a flaw of nature in your eyes, it's not up to you to "eliminate", "purge" or "purify" them. If you're a Christian, then let God deal with them when the time comes. If you are "corrupted" by the gay "disease" then don't worry, he'll most likely understand, as a benevolent god will most likely do. If you're an agnostic, or athiest and dislike gays, then leave them to evolution, or Mother Nature, as if they can't reproduce the trait will die out over a few millenia. Giving marriage rights to gays doesn't give them a instant baby-pass to pass the trait on - it simply gives them the right to be on equal footing with their fellow humans in some aspects.

Putting eveyone in the human race on even footing will not make us weaker - it will make us stronger if anything ...

Never mind that my daughter has no ability to consent. And before you even get around to it (and I know you will since most idiots think alike), neither does my pet.

Here's the line, and we'll cross it when we come to it. I don't see a large amount of father/daughter pairs lining up for marriage, but I do see a lot of gay people wanting to get married.

And that's just on one page (40 posts per page). Of this thread. Only.

Take your bigotry somewhere else.

 

[burnzie]

Only of both chicks are hot.

ZING!



... seriously though no mingers...

 

[Sparda]

I just don't like people who will quote the bible to argue that Gays are evil, but arn't willing to stone them to death.

I never said Gays are evil.

 

[burnzie]

Gays are evil.

D:

 

[15357]

Not everyone who doesn't support homosexual marriage doesn't mean that they are homophobic nazis. Am I am a homophobic nazi who wants to kill every single gay in the world? Yea- I mean, no. But I don't support gay marriage. Must be the confucious thing hard-wired in my head.

 

[Ome_Vince]

incredible how this can even become a 9 page discussion...
Who cares who marries who, for all i care people can marry their donkey, i couldnt care less as long as they leave me alone and i dont have to see it

 

[Yuri]

Not everyone who doesn't support homosexual marriage doesn't mean that they are homophobic nazis. Am I am a homophobic nazi who wants to kill every single gay in the world? Yea- I mean, no. But I don't support gay marriage. Must be the confucious thing hard-wired in my head.

The fact that you want to deprive homosexuals of a marriage makes you biggoted against them. Maybe you don't want to kill them, but you want to deprive them of their rights. There is no other way to look at it.

 

[Sparda]

What the HELL?!?!?!?!?!

 

[theotherguy]

Not everyone who doesn't support homosexual marriage doesn't mean that they are homophobic nazis. Am I am a homophobic nazi who wants to kill every single gay in the world? Yea- I mean, no. But I don't support gay marriage. Must be the confucious thing hard-wired in my head.

oh that's right, you are from korea. After just taking a world history course it becomes very obvious that the political and social actions of east asian countries still have alot to do with confucianism, just as the west is still influenced by a mix of catholocism and greco/roman learning.

 

[99.vikram]

Yes. Equality ftw.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I don't support gay marriage. Must be the confucious thing hard-wired in my head.

More like confusionism.

Confucious emphasized the golden rule in his teachings:
"Don't do to others what you wouldn't like them to do to you".

Do you want your marriage banned? No?

Well snap then.

 

[15357]

Well, I don't support gay marriage, but that doesn't mean that I'm against it.


Adoption, on the other hand......

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Right so now your kids are banned.
Also your marriage's banning is being ignored.

Same situation. These are things you wouldn't want others to do to you.

 

[15357]

Right so now your kids are banned.
Also your marriage's banning is being ignored.

Same situation. These are things you wouldn't want others to do to you.

I have no qualms(?) about people banning me from adopting children.

Besides, I can't blame others for their ignorance. Its not like actively supporting the ban on marriage.

 

[Jake17]

Yeah, because this thread definitely doesn't hold any solid answers as to why gays should get their marriage:












And that's just on one page (40 posts per page). Of this thread. Only.

Take your bigotry somewhere else.

Ok now i'm a bigot for not wanting gays to get married? That makes perfect sence since i'm just voicing an opinion of the other side that you obviously don't agree with. Also what you quoted were only opinions, they are useless if you are trying to logically back up your side. I'm i a bigot if i say that gays are equal to straight couples, no, but i am for saying that i don't agree with gay marraige, wow i'm i gonna get shot 10 years from now for thinking in disagreement to your beliefs? I feeled singled out and oppressed.

 

[Neo_Kuja]

Yeah, because this thread definitely doesn't hold any solid answers as to why gays should get their marriage:

Reason One : EQUALITY

I don't see why a straight couple should get special treatment over a gay couple. therefore, the principle of equality means that all couples should be allow to be called married, both colloquially and legally.

Reason Two : EQUALITY

...He marries a guy, cause the guy wants it.
You marry a girl, cause the girl wants it...

Reason Three : EQUALITY

Giving marriage rights to gays ... gives them the right to be on equal footing with their fellow humans in some aspects.

Oh, and to the other posts that don't argue for reasons for gay marriage - they are arguing against the homophobia going on in this thread.
Basically, read the quotes you use as "evidence", otherwise you'll just look mis-informed - or worse ...

 

[Lemonking]

gays want to to have equal rights,but at the same time they "want to be differnt"

 

[Jintor]

Ok now i'm a bigot for not wanting gays to get married? That makes perfect sence since i'm just voicing an opinion of the other side that you obviously don't agree with. Also what you quoted were only opinions, they are useless if you are trying to logically back up your side. I'm i a bigot if i say that gays are equal to straight couples, no, but i am for saying that i don't agree with gay marraige, wow i'm i gonna get shot 10 years from now for thinking in disagreement to your beliefs? I feeled singled out and oppressed.

Uh... not wanting gays to get married is bigotry, isn't it? Unless the definition of bigotry has changed during the last couple of minutes. Is the desire for equality for all an opnion, or logic? Damn, it's an opinion.

Here's an opinion which I believe, and other people belive, is right: Equality for all.

 

[sinkoman]

Ok now i'm a bigot for not wanting gays to get married? That makes perfect sence since i'm just voicing an opinion of the other side that you obviously don't agree with. Also what you quoted were only opinions, they are useless if you are trying to logically back up your side. I'm i a bigot if i say that gays are equal to straight couples, no, but i am for saying that i don't agree with gay marraige, wow i'm i gonna get shot 10 years from now for thinking in disagreement to your beliefs? I feeled singled out and oppressed.

Here's what I see in your post:

"I am a bigot. Here's some bullshit I pulled out of my ass to make you think i'm not."

"I'm also an emo"

 

[Ludah]

Ok now i'm a bigot for not wanting gays to get married? That makes perfect sence since i'm just voicing an opinion of the other side that you obviously don't agree with.

Having an opinion doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

 

[99.vikram]

gays want to to have equal rights,but at the same time they "want to be differnt"

No, they are different, something we must accept.
They have the right to equality.

 

[Ludah]

gays want to to have equal rights,but at the same time they "want to be differnt"

Hey, let's throw around more vague accusations! That's fun!

 

[Sulkdodds]

I don't see how that's an accusation actually...maybe he didn't mean it in a hostile way. Lots of people "want to be different".

 

[Shasta]

I thought it was already legal in Aussie. I mean, most of the population is, or has been, in homosexual relationships anyway.

It's the incest they need to think about stopping.

 

[99.vikram]

Now incest is not only twisted, it hurts the gene pool :O

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I have no qualms(?) about people banning me from adopting children.

Besides, I can't blame others for their ignorance. Its not like actively supporting the ban on marriage.

Stop finding loopholes in your own philosophy. It's totally duplicitous.

You know full well that adoption of some sort or another is the only way these people can have kids.

Your "not actively supporting" has a name. It's called tacit support and it's just as inhumane.

Seriously, this isn't Confucianism. It's a corruption of your own ideal.

 

[Sulkdodds]

You know full well that adoption of some sort or another is the only way these people can have kids.

Except through SCIENCE!

 

[Mechagodzilla]

That falls under the "or another" category.
It still requires some third party who would give up rights to the child.

Adoption is only barely different from what SCIENCE can provide. Hell, it's basically no different from good ol' traditional childbirth.
After the child enters your care through any method, the only difference is genetic. Genetic differences that can only be determined through a process of scientific testing.

 

[Lemonking]

I don't see how that's an accusation actually...maybe he didn't mean it in a hostile way. Lots of people "want to be different".

I for one dont mind them getting married and all having the same rights and stuff.but some gay try to sooo differnt then other people and makes them look stupid.my step bro is gay,u couldnt tell when talking to him but when u talk to other gays,its like :IN UR FACE:cheese:

 

[brink's]

nm

 

[Sparda]

I thought it was already legal in Aussie. I mean, most of the population is, or has been, in homosexual relationships anyway.

It's the incest they need to think about stopping.

LOLZ Teh Aussies are gay because they need something to stop them going for sheep,
Unlike Kiwis who just don't give a shit because they are small and Insignificant and no one will know.

(Sorry About that Aussie guys, i do like teh Aussies)

 

[wildchild730]

LOLZ Teh Aussies are gay because they need something to stop them going for sheep,
Unlike Kiwis who just don't give a shit because they are small and Insignificant and no one will know.

(Sorry About that Aussie guys, i do like teh Aussies)

GRRAAGH

I like sheep better than men

 

[Solaris]

Garg, sparda has a link to Goatse in his signiture.

Thats disgusting.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Can we just ban Sparda forever? He's stupid and annoying.

Anyway, though I don't live in Australia, I believe homosexuals should have the right to get married.

There, here, or anywhere.

 

[99.vikram]

Can we just ban Sparda forever? He's stupid and annoying.

Anyway, though I don't live in Australia, I believe homosexuals should have the right to get married.

There, here, or anywhere.

Aye :cheers:

Less hypocrisy, more equality :sniper:

 

[Yuri]

Yay, Sparda is finally bant!