Should news sources have government approval before going to print?

[RZAL]

These people are starting to piss me off, I over looked this part on their website.
It says nothing about the adults interviewed. And this comment “Nearly all principals surveyed agreed students should learn about journalism, but said financial constraints block the expansion of media programs.” Learn about journalism!!!! WRONG THEY ALL SHOULD LEARN ABOUT THEIR INALIENABLE RIGHTS.......WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO.........

Uh, sorry for the outburst its timeout for me......

“High school attitudes about the First Amendment are important because each generation of citizens helps define what freedom means in our society,” the report reads.
Among its findings:
· Nearly three-fourths of high school students either do not know how they feel about the First Amendment or admit they take it for granted.
· Seventy-five percent erroneously think flag burning is illegal.
· Half believe the government can censor the Internet.
· More than a third think the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it guarantees.
“These results are not only disturbing; they are dangerous,” said Knight Foundation President and CEO Hodding Carter III. “Ignorance about the basics of this free society is a danger to our nation’s future.”

In addition, the more students are exposed to the First Amendment and use the news media in the classroom, and the more involved they are in student journalism, the greater their appreciation of First Amendment rights.

Among those students who have taken courses dealing with the media or the First Amendment, for example, 87 percent believe people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions. Among students who have not taken such courses, however, the number fell to 68 percent.

Though student journalists are the savviest among all high school students on the First Amendment, a quarter of U.S. schools do not even offer media programs to students.

“The last 15 years have not been a golden era for student media,” said Warren Watson, director of the J-Ideas project at Ball State University in Muncie, Ind. “Programs are under siege or dying from neglect. Many students do not get the opportunity to practice our basic freedoms.”

Nearly all principals surveyed agreed students should learn about journalism, but said financial constraints block the expansion of media programs.

The Department of Public Policy at the University of Connecticut was commissioned by Knight Foundation to conduct this study of students, faculty and administrators at 544 high schools across the country. Dr. David Yalof and Dr. Kenneth Dautrich of the University of Connecticut conducted the research.

“Civic education is crucial to developing well-informed and responsible citizens,” said Dautrich, chairman of the university’s Department of Public Policy. “By surveying students across the country as to their awareness and appreciation of First Amendment rights, Knight Foundation has provided a timely window into this important and often overlooked aspect of the educational process.”



http://www.knightfdn.org/default.asp?story=news_at_knight/releases/2005/2005_01_31_firstamend.html



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[RZAL]

I wonder how that same poll would play out in different countries ...I mean you have a war going on so that's gotta have some influence over the results

Good question, or you could change the logic on it and.......

Think of each question as a separate test and the highest percentage for each question is the maximum you can score, there are no wrong answers.

Overall do you think the press in America has:

Too much freedom? 32% students, 38% faculty, 40% principals, 42% adults

About the right amount of freedom? 37% students, 49% faculty, 56% principals, 44%
adults

Too little freedom? 10% students, 8% faculty, 3% principals, 12% adults

Don’t know? 21% students, 6% faculty, 1% principals, 3% adults

Should be allowed to express unpopular opinions: 83% students, 97% faculty, 99% principals, 95% adults

Should be allowed to burn/deface American flag (%disagree): 74% students, 70% faculty, 75% principals, 74% adults

Newspapers should be allowed to publish freely without government approval: 51% students, 80% faculty, 80% principals, 70% adults

Now repeat the test but change the topic to math or English. What do you think the outcome would be.

A. The students would score higher than the teachers
B. The students would score lower than the teachers
C. The students would score the same
D. Journalists would score higher than students and teachers combined
E. Who teaches who?
F. Both B and E are true

I pick F.



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[No Limit]

Good question, or you could change the logic on it and.......

Think of each question as a separate test and the highest percentage for each question is the maximum you can score, there are no wrong answers.

Overall do you think the press in America has:

Too much freedom? 32% students, 38% faculty, 40% principals, 42% adults

About the right amount of freedom? 37% students, 49% faculty, 56% principals, 44%
adults

Too little freedom? 10% students, 8% faculty, 3% principals, 12% adults

Don’t know? 21% students, 6% faculty, 1% principals, 3% adults

Should be allowed to express unpopular opinions: 83% students, 97% faculty, 99% principals, 95% adults

Should be allowed to burn/deface American flag (%disagree): 74% students, 70% faculty, 75% principals, 74% adults

Newspapers should be allowed to publish freely without government approval: 51% students, 80% faculty, 80% principals, 70% adults

Now repeat the test but change the topic to math or English. What do you think the outcome would be.

A. The students would score higher than the teachers
B. The students would score lower than the teachers
C. The students would score the same
D. Journalists would score higher than students and teachers combined
E. Who teaches who?
F. Both B and E are true

I pick F.



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Are those the official results from that same poll? If they are thanks for finding them, I appreciate it. The difference between adults and youth isn't as large as I thought it would be but this proves it that not only the teens are brainwashed; all Republicans are .

 

[RZAL]

Are those the official results from that same poll? If they are thanks for finding them, I appreciate it. The difference between adults and youth isn't as large as I thought it would be but this proves it that not only the teens are brainwashed; all Republicans are .

Yep came straight from the field study, Page 8 I think.
http://firstamendment.jideas.org/downloads/future_final.pdf
http://www.knightfdn.org/default.asp?story=news_at_knight/releases/2005/2005_01_31_firstamend.html





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[CptStern]

I think teens tend to judge things more in terms of black and white, but that's just a generalization ..I could be completely wrong but that doesnt happen all that much (or so I've been been told that I seem to think that it is actually true ) so methinks not


disclaimer: the above post in no ways should be taken as an example of the author's state of mind because as of this writing he has gone the better part of the hour without having a single delusion of grandeur ..so in words, yes you can use it, just bring it back when you're done. I like nice words they are fun

 

[Razor]

Not at all! Both were just as bad as eachother; the Mirror was anti-war, the Sun very pro-war. At least that way we had something of a balance, I would have died if all the papers were supporting the war, it'd just make it so easy to turn the whole of the tabloid reading country into pro-war no-brainers (not impying those of you who're pro-war are no-brainers, just saying that if they're just being tol dto be pro-war by their paper... well... you know what I mean).

And remember, as far as WMDs go, the Mirror with its "xxx days and still no WMD" was right all along. I have to admit I was glad when I saw the anti-war approach the Mirror took.

The Sun didn't appear to be to biased towards the war for me, they did, for once in their lives, post imformative information about what was going on, but it is true they didn't post as many of the bad things as the Mirror did, and when they did, they didn't focus on it. The Mirror was more about printing only the very bad things, so if a single British soldier died, it would be a huge story about how Tony Blair was personally responsible for his death, etc. This tactic did turn round and bit them in the arse when they posted the "Iraqi torture by British soldiers" story and photos, which in the end, turned out to be a load of bullshit.

I just wish there was a newspaper that was fully informative about all sides of the Iraq war, printing both the good things happening, information about where the troops are, stories about soldiers dying and how they died, stories about Iraq being rebuilt and nice stories as well as the darker stories of the war. Not just "oh nooeeesss!!!!111 w4rz so bad, illegals".

A newspaper should be about printing all the stories, or a good balance of the stories, in a none biased and very informative way, allowing the readers to make up their own opinions about it. No sensationalism, no biased rubbish just because Labour went to war and the Conversatives didn't, etc.

 

[RZAL]

I think teens tend to judge things more in terms of black and white, but that's just a generalization ..I could be completely wrong but that doesnt happen all that much (or so I've been been told that I seem to think that it is actually true ) so methinks not

Are you responding to my last "Test Scores"

If so the % don't look very different to me.

disclaimer: the above post in no ways should be taken as an example of the author's state of mind because as of this writing he has gone the better part of the hour without having a single delusion of grandeur ..so in words, yes you can use it, just bring it back when you're done. I like nice words they are fun

OK what ever you say.


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[CptStern]

Are you responding to my last "Test Scores"

If so the % don't look very different to me.

no not really :E

OK what ever you say.

heh I was joking and I wasnt specifically talking to you

 

[RZAL]

no not really :E




heh I was joking and I wasnt specifically talking to you

E=mc²






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[UltraProAnti]

In light of this interesting poll, I thought maybe we should have a similiar poll

U.S. students say press freedoms go too far


"One in three U.S. high school students say the press ought to be more restricted, and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them, according to a survey being released today."

"The survey of 112,003 students finds that 36% believe newspapers should get "government approval" of stories before publishing; 51% say they should be able to publish freely; 13% have no opinion.

Asked whether the press enjoys "too much freedom," not enough or about the right amount, 32% say "too much," and 37% say it has the right amount. Ten percent say it has too little."


also answer this (but dont forget to vote in above poll):

Does the press enjoy "too much freedom" ?

1. too much freedom
2. the right amount
3. not enough freedom
4. no opinion





my answers: not enough freedom

LOL mainstream US media is servile enough to the interests of the powerful as it is without government censorship, which is largely unnecessary since editorial decisions taken in big media outlets already involve a high degree of what Chomsky calls 'doctrinal filtering'. (Even the very mildest criticism of certain accepted norms can attract a shitstorm of abuse, so heavily indoctrinated are so many people.)

As for the question: the media have all the freedom they need. They just don't bother often enough to use for the purpose for which it was intended.

 

[el Chi]

But the media, as in individual journalists, etc. don't have all the freedom they need. That's the point. As you yourself said, many of them are stifled by the agendas of the networks' respective owners, thus they can't truly say what they feel they need to. Or they're extremely feckless. Or they like the agenda.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Publish what they please, and do whatever they want- they have no obligation (well, not legally, morally they do) and they can do as they please- pander to someone, be totally objective, take a specific view, whatever.

The only thing 'censored' (and censored for offensive material to children, etc, not opinions, extreme or not) should be daytime free TV and radio waves. Something anybody with a TV and a rabbit ear antannae can pick up. Anything printed on paper, or any paid broadcast should have free reign.