Should same sex marriages be legal?

[Yakuza]

His statement about not professing to know 100% and his later statement asking for facts were completely unrelated, and not concerning the same subject.



The problem lies not with you disagreeing with homosexuals. The problem lies in trying to use that religious disagreement to form laws against them. This is a rather large distinction.

Yeah I know I kinda took them from different parts of his post but it still asks a valid question.

He said there are never any facts, So does he have all the facts, does he know all proof?

 

[Sprafa]

There are no facts, only interpretations

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Yeah I know I kinda took them from different parts of his post but it still asks a valid question.

He said there are never any facts, So does he have all the facts, does he know all proof?

"And all my points were clearly either speculation or allegation. I never professed to know, 100%, that Raziel-Jcd is a tremendous douchebag."

That meant all my points surrounding raziel being a douchebag are around 90% speculative.

I think you've missed the joke.

Everything that wasn't a blatant insult to Raziel the douchebag is based purely on fact. At least, on far more facts than any Anti-gay-marriage argument ever presented by anyone in this thread.

When have I ever professed to know everthing? All that I am saying is that I know more about constitutional law than any anti-gay-marriage person here, because If everyone here understood the purpose of the constitution, we wouldn't be having this debate.

 

[Yakuza]

I CANNOT believe you replied with this... it's hilarious. Just because the people in the Bible say the words "consider" and "reason", doesn't mean that the person reading it is doing either of them.

You said people who Quote scipture are lazy. (not any one in particular so I am assuming this is a general statement to all who quote scipture)

You go on to say "They profess that "Here is the word of God, read and memorize, but do not think or consider. Shame upon those who question it. Wrath upon those who reason."

All I did was quote scripture that contradicted your assumption that we are not to reason or consider. Shoot I allways tell people to ask questions, to be reasonable, and consider. And as I have quoted, the bible even says we should, and I didn't even post a quarter of what the bible says about it.


Also I am not sure what my quote has anything to do with what we are talking about?

 

[Yakuza]

"And all my points were clearly either speculation or allegation. I never professed to know, 100%, that Raziel-Jcd is a tremendous douchebag."

That meant all my points surrounding raziel being a douchebag are around 90% speculative.

I think you've missed the joke.

Everything that wasn't a blatant insult to Raziel the douchebag is based purely on fact. At least, on far more facts than any Anti-gay-marriage argument ever presented by anyone in this thread.

When have I ever professed to know everthing? All that I am saying is that I know more about constitutional law than any anti-gay-marriage person here, because If everyone here understood the purpose of the constitution, we wouldn't be having this debate.

haha :E

anyways, wich constitutional law exactly are we talking about.I have it in front of me and I just need a little direction as to wer I need to look. :cheers:

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Shoot I allways tell people to ask questions, to be reasonable, and consider.

What if you consider ignoring the Bible's recommendation to consider though? :rolling:

This is a tangent, but
His point was that Christians in general should be more tolerant. He attributes the lack of tolerance to the biblical teaching that the Bible cannot be wrong.

As a result, your response of "the bible can be wrong because the bible tells me so, and it cannot be wrong" is confusing to him.

Hope that clears things up?

 

[falconwind]

It had the word "because" in it.

I should have bolded it, but I forgot.

And yeah, what mecha said.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

anyways, wich constitutional law exactly are we talking about.I have it in front of me and I just need a little direction as to wer I need to look. :cheers:

I'm not talking specifics. I'm talking about constitutional law in general, and how it applies to the gay marriage ban that I hope you never find in it.

I am arguing that such a ban is directly contrary to the purpose of the constitutional law and american law in general.

This purpose is to give a secular counterpart to religious law which is equally applicable to all citizens.

For more specific detail, please check page 33 of this thread, and my replies to Asus and Blahblahblah.

 

[Sprafa]

I'm quite glad there's this intelligent debate here in 15 pages that hasn't scaled down to a massive flamewar.

 

[Yakuza]

I guess I should have assumed it wasn't clever wordplay.

Meh, its waaaaay past my bedtime and I havent even worked on my HL2 mod project yet.

I am a writter, but no one can tell by how poorly I spell. I write lots of poetry and words like this are not distant for the vocab I use.

Then again I could just be playing with your mind :rolling:

 

[Neutrino]

haha :E

anyways, wich constitutional law exactly are we talking about.I have it in front of me and I just need a little direction as to wer I need to look. :cheers:

The first amendment of course. You did know that right?

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference.

The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a persons practice of their religion.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/first_amendment.html

Though there is of course much more to this debate than just this amendment. But it is one of the more important considerations in the debate about gay marriage. Not just civil unions, but marriage.

 

[Yakuza]

What if you consider ignoring the Bible's recommendation to consider though? :rolling:

This is a tangent, but
His point was that Christians in general should be more tolerant. He attributes the lack of tolerance to the biblical teaching that the Bible cannot be wrong.

As a result, your response of "the bible can be wrong because the bible tells me so, and it cannot be wrong" is confusing to him.

Hope that clears things up?

I am all wacked out....so forgive me if I stumble here.

When I quote scripture and talk about things of the bible it comes directly form the life I used to live and the one I live now. God has been faithful to me and in everything he has done in my life, so when something that comes my way doesn't seem clear, I walk by faith, not because I am blind but because i have seen all that he has done in my life and he has never let me down. I trust him.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

but surely you must understand that your personal, incommunicable, externally unverifiable experiences are not a sound foundation for societal law..

 

[Sprafa]

I am all wacked out....so forgive me if I stumble here.

When I quote scripture and talk about things of the bible it comes directly form the life I used to live and the one I live now. God has been faithful to me and in everything he has done in my life, so when something that comes my way doesn't seem clear, I walk by faith, not because I am blind but because i have seen all that he has done in my life and he has never let me down. I trust him.

Who said the bible is the definite word of God ? It wasn't written by him was it ?

And who said God doesn't changes his opinions every once in a while ?

 

[Yakuza]

The first amendment of course. You did know that right?







http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/first_amendment.html

Though there is of course much more to this debate than just this amendment. But it is one of the more important considerations in the debate about gay marriage. Not just civil unions, but marriage.

Some of you guys have made reasonable arguments. And you have given me some things to ponder regarding the laws and religion.

 

[Yakuza]

but surely you must understand that your personal, incommunicable, externally unverifiable experiences are not a sound foundation for societal law..

I know that.

 

[Neutrino]

Some of you guys have made reasonable arguments. And you have given me some things to ponder regarding the laws and religion.

If this thread has made just one person ponder then it's served it's purpose in my eyes.

So ponder away.

Oh just something to add to my last post:

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/faqs.aspx?id=2179&#q2179

Q. Can the government ever interfere with someone's religious practices?

A. Under current constitutional law, the government can impose restrictions on a religious belief or practice as long as the law in question applies to everyone and does not target a specific religion or religious practice.

 

[Yakuza]

Who said the bible is the definite word of God ? It wasn't written by him was it ?

And who said God doesn't changes his opinions every once in a while ?

I believe that the bible is the inspired word of God and that he spoke through people to write what we have in the original transcripts.

Which has been proven to be about 98.5% texturaly pure or coherrant with the original documents. The 1.5% remaing is debated on the spelling of certain words.

 

[Neutrino]

I believe that the bible is the inspired word of God and that he spoke through people to write what we have in the original transcripts.

Off topic, but what about the old testament?

 

[NeLi]

:naughty:Who says that god is a "he"? :naughty:

 

[Sprafa]

:naughty:Who says that god is a "he"? :naughty:

Exactly, reducing an omnipotent and omnipowerful being to a "He" is wrong.


God is God.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

god is a sexy little otter

 

[f|uke]

Oh please

Everybody knows God has a giant penis.

What do you think black holes are for?

 

[Bad^Hat]

I'm quite glad there's this intelligent debate here in 15 pages that hasn't scaled down to a massive flamewar.

Yeah, and I'm actually reading it

This thread has really got me to thinking... which has got me to worrying... which has got me hungry.

Oh please

Everybody knows God has a giant penis.

What do you think black holes are for?

QUOET 4 TRUTH :farmer: :farmer: :farmer: :farmer: :farmer: :farmer: :farmer: :farmer: :farmer:

 

[NeLi]

Maybe god is a hermaphrodite

*nightmares*

 

[Bad^Hat]

Maybe god is a hermaphrodite

*nightmares*

LOL shitting dick nipples.

 

[Yakuza]

Off topic, but what about the old testament?

Same.......

 

[Locust]

I wonder if the positives outweigh the negatives for homosexuals. I mean they are sacrificing a lot by practicing what they do, such as their immune system to AIDS.

 

[satch919]

Yes. If two homosexuals/lesbians want to marry, thats fine. It should be their right to do so. The US isn't supposed to discriminate by race, gender, religious class, etc. We're also not supposed to deny any person of life, liberty and the pusuit of happiness. What the hell happened to those concepts? Hell, heterosexual couples can't even keep it together these days. The divorce rate is above 50% isn't it?

How does two gay people getting married affect you or I anyways? It doesn't.

Let them do it.

 

[Locust]

They may get aids and infect the rest of the population; what if that happens? Aids is God's way of punishing the wicked.

 

[WySiWyG]

Why should it not be allowed? It's not like they are gonna marry you. Or that it would even effect you. Or has anything to do with you.

Let people make their own minds up ffs, thats what freedom is all about is it not?

 

[WySiWyG]

They may get aids and infect the rest of the population; what if that happens? Aids is God's way of punishing the wicked.

Aids is a man made disease.

In his well known report WHO MURDERED AFRICA, Dr. William Campbell Douglass, M.D., wrote that HIV was finally produced (genetically engineered) in 1974, after having been PREDICTED and REQUESTED! He tells us that the AIDS virus by the WHO (World Health Organization), was not just a diabolical scientific exercise that got out of hand. It was a cold-blooded successful attempt to create a killer virus which was then used in a successful experiment in Africa. African AIDS was the result of the smallpox eradication vaccine program conducted by the World Health Organization during the 1970s. It was not an accident. It was deliberate!

Link

STFU bible boy.

 

[CptStern]

I wonder if the positives outweigh the negatives for homosexuals. I mean they are sacrificing a lot by practicing what they do, such as their immune system to AIDS.

oh come on, anyone of any sexual preference/gender runs the risk of getting aids if they are promiscuous.. it's not a gay disease

 

[CptStern]

They may get aids and infect the rest of the population; what if that happens? Aids is God's way of punishing the wicked.

and stupidity is god's way of punishing the religious!

sorry, you didnt deserve that ..but so dont all the victems of aids that you slammed by saying they deserved what they got

 

[Locust]

sorry, I was just trying to keep this thread alive. It was the largest one I could find that wasn't closed. And I do feel for the victems of AIDS. I couldn't imagine having to live life worrying that the next cold or flu could be the end.

 

[f|uke]

sorry, I was just trying to keep this thread alive. It was the largest one I could find that wasn't closed. And I do feel for the victems of AIDS. I couldn't imagine having to live life worrying that the next cold or flu could be the end.

God damnit, let it die. Whyd you have to ressurect a four month old thread. This topic has been debated to no end here and its all been said before.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Annnnnd Closed.

Abconners, don't dig old threads yeah?