so is AVP: requiem really that bad?

There's an awful lot of "cinema ******" resentment going along here and I don't buy it.

I dunno. When I think of AvP as a movie, I would hope that they would include - or at least strive to include - some of the elements that made the original films so great. None of the tension or articulation that went into creating these beasts has transferred over to these films. I know a lot of people might equate the chest-bursting scene from Alien with the maternity ward scene in AVP2, but the former was crafted upon a legitimate, horrific surprise. The latter was just soulless and shocking for the sake of being it. Basically, AVP and its sequel turned what were otherwise cool events into sloppy moster movie fodder. With the kid in AVP2 in the first fifteen minutes into the movie, it felt like I was watching kids on a playground.

"Dude, I dare you to make that alien burst from the kid's chest!"

It just seemed like it was trying to justify its R rating with violence of the most stupid kind. I usually give credit to filmmakers who allow deaths of children in their films, but this served no other purpose other than to make the film seem edgy. Edginess should be a byproduct, not a focus. Furthermore, both films suffered from being placed on Earth, the latter particularly. Putting the two species on our home planet pumped me up for at least some major conflict, but no.
We instead get:
-Stupid humans nobody cares about running around pyramids.
-Stupid humans running around boring human architecture. (And who the **** cares about Colorado?)

It's like the forgettable, backwater slumps that populate a lot of the teen slasher flicks that were released in the last decade. The only difference is having two badass creatures kick each others asses - and only for a limited time, as more time seems to have been dedicated to shitty human characters people are just waiting to see die - albeit without an ounce of what made them so great in the first place. Sans being violent.

**** it. If my dislike of AVP2 is due to false expectations, then I guess I'm guilty. I should have known better after seeing the previous film. But that doesn't change my opinion that they are a disgrace to the franchises they are based on.
 
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Darkside, your sig really worked! You drained Samon and Warbie of all their goodness and kindness. Now you have been beaten to a corner, which I truly regret.
 
i watched it and I think there should have been a pack of predators just like in part 1. I really hated how they tried to throw in some back storys for the people's live, made it dull.

And who is that lady at the very end? Is she even relevant and does this mean a part 3? Or something with predators in it?
 
I liked it, but I wish we had a better view of the 'predalien'.
 
ailevation said:
i watched it and I think there should have been a pack of predators just like in part 1. I really hated how they tried to throw in some back storys for the people's live, made it dull.

And who is that lady at the very end? Is she even relevant and does this mean a part 3? Or something with predators in it?
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google Weyland Yutani Corp.
 
ailevation said:
i watched it and I think there should have been a pack of predators just like in part 1. I really hated how they tried to throw in some back storys for the people's live, made it dull.

And who is that lady at the very end? Is she even relevant and does this mean a part 3? Or something with predators in it?
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I think she is related to Weyland Utani in some way. Other than than no ****ing clue. On a related note did anyone else ever play that RTS Aliens vs Predator: Extinction that came out back in 2003? That version of the PredAlien looked kickass.
 
I wonder how Ms. Yutani is related to Weyland-Yutani? :|
 
Absinthe, while both movies were notably lacking the tension and horror of previous films in their individual franchises (save for Alien 4), it was eschewed for action, which the second delivered upon. In a way I think it works better like that. That's just my personal opinion; I came into this one for an action movie rather than to be shocked or scared.

With regard to the maternity ward scene, I can't imagine anyone actually saying, "that reminded me of the original chestburster from Alien;" in fact they have nothing in common aside from the fact that they're chestbursters. The way the scene was shot and the overall mood wasn't scary in the least; I don't know if the directors wanted it to be or not, but I didn't think it was. The scene's purpose was the big reveal, just like the previous predalien scene in that hospital.

And you're right that they killed that kid in the first couple minutes to justify their R rating, but in all honesty I would not have been hyped up for this movie if they HADN'T killed him. You might call it edginess for edginess' sake, but it set you up for the fact that this movie wasn't going to pull any punches. I'm tired of films letting kids get away because they're kids, I really am. When I watched the first five minutes on Yahoo, I kept saying, "They better kill that kid. They better kill that kid." Now, you can say that you didn't like it, but be honest: if that kid got away, if that kid escaped a dense forest full of facehuggers, ran and told the townspeople what happened to his daddy, and THEN they all went searching, would you have honestly liked that better? Because that's bullshit and you know it. Facehuggers are fast, deadly creatures. They're not going to let some kid get away. There's no conceivable way a child could outrun a facehugger on terrain like that, and you know it. For them NOT to kill that kid, THAT would have been an insult not only to the Alien franchise but to the species itself. So you can call it "being edgy," I call it movie reality, because if that was a real situation, sorry kid--you're boned.

Now, one of the other problems you have I don't get. "I was pumped for some major conflict," "who cares about Colorado?" So you're saying what you wanted is all-out war on our planet versus the alien species? Would that have made you happy? Would it have made you happy if they invaded New York City and were killing thousands upon thousands of people and then the military shows up? Maybe you could've put them in a more cliche' city that people care about. Why not LA, or Detroit, or Chicago? Let's just ramp up the body count and then bring the entire military in and go full-scale war! Now who's being edgy for the sake of it?

While the movie lacked tension, the fact that it takes place in this Bumf*ck, Nowhere town secludes it from the rest of the world. That's some minute tension right there, because they're cut off from everything else. And again, movie realism: what would really happen if aliens invaded a small town? And that's how it'd look. I liked that. I don't see how putting it in some city people "care about" would've made this a better movie. I don't see how it would've increased the tension. Maybe you're trying to recreate Predator 2 or Concrete Jungle or something. But it's not going to work with a tide of aliens. You'd get like, aliens pulling bums off the street in alleys every couple seconds, and maybe something with them moving through traffic killing people in cars, I don't know. That doesn't seem any more suspensful to me. That doesn't even sound that good, IMO.

Also, you know why it had to be Colorado? Because Genuine Weyland-Yutani Aspen Beer - Extra Strong - Aspen, Colorado. Go watch Alien again. ;)

soulslicer said:
Darkside, your sig really worked! You drained Samon and Warbie of all their goodness and kindness. Now you have been beaten to a corner, which I truly regret.
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I didn't get beaten into a corner. Warbie and I <3, and Samon's dead. I erased him. Moment of silence, please.

ailevation said:
i watched it and I think there should have been a pack of predators just like in part 1. I really hated how they tried to throw in some back storys for the people's live, made it dull.

And who is that lady at the very end? Is she even relevant and does this mean a part 3? Or something with predators in it?
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Just my opinion, but a pack of predators wouldn't have been as cool. One against one hundred, now those are exciting odds.

And the lady at the end is head of the Yutani Corporation. Weyland-Yutani is The Company featured in the Alien films. They're responsible for space colonies and trying to capture the aliens to turn them into weapons.
 
I just didn't dig AvP. No matter how many times I watch it, going "It's just a spin-off" or "I'll keep my brain aside and enjoy it on a mindless level" the movie keeps either trying to tie-in with the original franchises (Poor, poor Bishop) or I have to endure bullshit character development between wannabe-tokenblackforthe****ofit-Ripley and her gang of motley cardboard cutouts (would rather Ash? Hudson? Vasquez? Hell, even the cat would be more interesting) instead of having pure action. The inconsistencies (chestburster incubation period and y'know, everything else) would be something I would brush off if the writers didn't continue to try linking it to the originals.

And now I get dragged kicking and screaming to Requiem by people who haven't even seen the original movies. I hope with all my testosterone filled heart that shit does indeed get ****ed up.
 
Wow, if Darkside thinks it's good... it must be.

I planned on going out to see it after seeing the trailer.
If a movie looks fun, it's money well spent.
 
I liked it, despite the predalien being retarded, the US National Guard being retarded, the people being retarded and the ****ing retarded self-nuking by the US Army.

Seriously, Predators are so bad-ass that they can make a terrible movie enjoyable for me.

I have a question for you darkside, Why do the predators insist on skinning people?
 
Darkside55 said:
Just my opinion, but a pack of predators wouldn't have been as cool. One against one hundred, now those are exciting odds.

And the lady at the end is head of the Yutani Corporation. Weyland-Yutani is The Company featured in the Alien films. They're responsible for space colonies and trying to capture the aliens to turn them into weapons.
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Exciting indeed. But imo they didn't show enough focus on predator, I felt there was more focus on the group of people. The reason I wanted to see a pack was because maybe there would have been some team-based strategies going on especially with this kind of outbreak. I guess the predator that was sent was supposed to be a renowned hunter seeing that before he departed his home planet(he looked to be sitting in a high ranking chair).
 
xlucidx said:
Wow, if Darkside thinks it's good... it must be.

I planned on going out to see it after seeing the trailer.
If a movie looks fun, it's money well spent.
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Boy was I wrong. :(
 
What are you guys expecting when you go to see this movie? I saw it with a friend and it was ****ing amazing. The action made it what it was.
Don't go in there with the mentality of a critic, go in there with the mentality of Beavis and Butthead. It's not Alien, it's not Predator. It's AvP! It's not about the tension, it's about the ACTION, it's not about the storyline, it's about the ACTION!
 
Well, the movie wasn't....as bad as I imagined, but wtf at the worst ending in history. "YOU DESTROYED THE WHOLE TOWN...."*insert joke to hot army chick here*

Man, if I've been in their situation, I'd be all like, "HOLY ****ING SHIT ANYTHING THAT MOVES IS DEAD *PEW PEW PEW*"

Great movie if you want to see a ****ing Predator do Street Fighter moves to a fkn alien.
 
I heard that the predalien can impregnate women with something in it's mouth? This pissed me off because thats f*cking retarded and goes against the usual alien reproduction cycle.
 
CyberPitz said:
Great movie if you want to see a ****ing Predator do Street Fighter moves to a fkn alien.
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Fliko said:
What are you guys expecting when you go to see this movie? I saw it with a friend and it was ****ing amazing. The action made it what it was.
Don't go in there with the mentality of a critic, go in there with the mentality of Beavis and Butthead. It's not Alien, it's not Predator. It's AvP! It's not about the tension, it's about the ACTION, it's not about the storyline, it's about the ACTION!
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High-fiving both of you.

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I guess the predator that was sent was supposed to be a renowned hunter seeing that before he departed his home planet(he looked to be sitting in a high ranking chair).
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Wolf's the best hunter the predators had. He's not an elder, he doesn't have a massive amount of hunts under his belt, but he's their best. The best tracker, the best hunter. Not just "warrior," best HUNTER. He's the Cleaner of predators.
 
Fliko said:
What are you guys expecting when you go to see this movie? I saw it with a friend and it was ****ing amazing. The action made it what it was.
Don't go in there with the mentality of a critic, go in there with the mentality of Beavis and Butthead. It's not Alien, it's not Predator. It's AvP! It's not about the tension, it's about the ACTION, it's not about the storyline, it's about the ACTION!
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The action was what kept me watching, but the acting and the dialogue made it too cringe worthy to be considered a good action movie.
 
The acting was alright, I mean compare it to some of the other big budget movies around, it`s far superior to Anakin in any Star Wars prequel, or Keanu Reeves in the Matrix sequels (painful).

The actors did their job, nothing more, which was to bait for the Aliens, and that they did well.
 
If it's better than the first, I'd see it.
 
I don't care for what most of you said. I liked it.
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I thought it was worse than the first. I thought it was the worst film i've ever seen, next to "Queen of the Damned". The fact Darkside goes on about it should be a warning.
 
Sparta said:
I thought it was worse than the first. I thought it was the worst film i've ever seen, next to "Queen of the Damned". The fact Darkside goes on about it should be a warning.
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Zephos said:
The action was shit.
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I'm pretending to give you guys the high-five, but then I pull the "PSYCH!" at the last minute.

And for added insult, I run BOTH hands through my hair.
 
Sparta said:
I thought it was worse than the first. I thought it was the worst film i've ever seen, next to "Queen of the Damned". The fact Darkside goes on about it should be a warning.
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Queen of the Damned was a clusterfuck of a movie.
It had a nifty soundtrack though.
 
I feel that people who didn`t like this movie went to see something akin to the first Alien movie, but with a vs film, your never going to get that.

What the film is is something more like the Predator movies, in that t`s mainly about the action rather than any kind of suspense.

I knew exactly what I was walking into and enjoyed it for that. The Alien films lost their mystery when Cameron decided they were insects, that`s how they have been portrayed in the AVP films too. They will never have that kind of mystery again, they are beasts rather than intelligent life-forms, that`s they way they are now and die hard Alien fans really need to get to grips with that.

Sorry, for that rant, I`ve just spend most the night reading the bitching post of Alien fans on the AVP forums who think that the movie didn`t portray the aliens correctly, and that everyone should hate the film because their expectations were not realised.
 
yes, it is total garbage, if you're considering seeing this film save up for a labotomy instead, you'll get more for your money.
 
stemot said:
I feel that people who didn`t like this movie went to see something akin to the first Alien movie, but with a vs film, your never going to get that.
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Wrong. What I wanted to see in AvP in the first place was something similar to Alien 2 (which was AN ACTION MOVIE).

A few years back when I first heard of the AvP project I thought the story was going to be similar to what was in the AvP games.

Meaning: Teh evil corporation performing experiments on xenomorphs on an alien planet, xenomorphs escape, insert random colonial marines and predators on said planet and voila the movie. That's what I wanted and that's what I still want.
 
Remus said:
Wrong. What I wanted to see in AvP in the first place was something similar to Alien 2 (which was AN ACTION MOVIE).

A few years back when I first heard of the AvP project I thought the story was going to be similar to what was in the AvP games.

Meaning: Teh evil corporation performing experiments on xenomorphs on an alien planet, xenomorphs escape, insert random colonial marines and predators on said planet and voila the movie. That's what I wanted and that's what I still want.
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That`s what I`m talking about.

People go into these films with their own expectations, and if it`s not how they envision it, then they don`t see what there is there to be enjoyed, instead they get bitter that it was not made in their own vision.

Just enjoy what there is there, if you didn`t enjoy the film after that then fair enough, but don`t put it dwn because the story wasn`t the one you`d been wanting.
 
I wasn't wanting anything. I actually had no expectations. But I'll put down the story knowing that it is in fact a steaming pile of shite.
 
Samon said:
I wasn't wanting anything. I actually had no expectations. But I'll put down the story knowing that it is in fact a steaming pile of shite.
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That`s fair enough, again, just an opinion, I enjoyed it, and now that Colin Strause has all but confirmed they have got the job of AVP3 on the AVPGalaxy boards, ("That's very true. The extended DVD is much closer to what we wanted, but I wish we had the budget to make things work better. There is only so much we can do on our first film, but now we'll be able to have more control over those things on the next one.") I`m looking foward to them actually having some say in what goes into the next one rather than having to tow the line of the studio.

One thing to think about, the studio actually wanted the Predalien to skin kills and use pred technology, some was even filmed, only the brothers perseverence blocked that from going into the final film.
 
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